Do You Support the 2nd Amendment or Not?

[mrjurrs]

Hmmm. Tough to figure out what the founders wanted.

To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson

To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison

Oh wait, I guess it really is not to hard to figure out what they thought

The Federalist Papers are not a governing document.

 

[mrjurrs]

Why do you feel you need protected from gun owners when they are overwhelmingly peaceful people? I've been surrounded by gun owners my entire life, and never felt I needed some special protection from gun owners.

I don't get it. It just seems like another form of bigotry to me.

Statistics.

 

[The AntiDonald]

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
2nd Amendment

I'm a 2nd amendment supporter....even though I don't own guns,
Each time a sad situation happen by Criminals with evil hearts, it strengthens my support of the 2nd amendment.
I fully support those who do and are responsible trained gun owners.
During my life not one of the many that I have known have ever misused a gun.
I've went target shooting. No one was ever at risk of being shot unless I would have aimed the gun at them. But that's not how you do it...nor is that my heart. That is key in situations like this, the person's heart.
A Criminal's heart is different. It's mainly the Left who want to focus on the object, not the real problem which are Criminals and their hearts.
Responsible trained gun owners are not a threat to any innocent person, none at all.
The real problem isn't the guns...anymore than it is when any other object a person chooses to harm innocent people with is used.
One example...Darrell Brooks on 11/21/21 at the Waukesha Christmas parade. He drove an suv into a crowd of people and kept driving, this resulted in the deaths of six people and injuries to 62 others. Plus there have been other vehicles used to run over groups of people...so if it's the object, let's ban vehicles.
A Criminal's heart is different. It's mainly the Left who want to focus on the object, not the real problem which are Criminals and their hearts. Once a person has the intent to misuse a firearm or any other potentially deadly object on innocent people and do, they become a Criminal.
Responsible trained gun owners are not a threat to any innocent person at all. You put a gun in the corner and leave it. It will hurt no innocent person sitting there unless a person with bad intent picks it up. Again, it's not the object that is the problem, it's the person.
The gun in a corner is not going to pick itself up, load itself and harm an innocent person by itself.
That takes a Criminal heart. That should be the focus.

I also do not support it. It was written at a much different time. It makes it virtually impossible for our legislators to pass any laws that can make Americans safer. Our children are dying at alarming rates. Adults are taking their own lives more with guns than any other method. We are a society that loves our guns more than our kids. What in the hell is wrong with America?

It's old and tired. Ridiculous.

 

[RF667799]

Statistics.

Show the statistics that inform your fear.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

I also do not support it. It was written at a much different time. It makes it virtually impossible for our legislators to pass any laws that can make Americans safer. Our children are dying at alarming rates. Adults are taking their own lives more with guns than any other method. We are a society that loves our guns more than our kids. What in the hell is wrong with America?

It's old and tired. Ridiculous.

Yes, children are dying at alarming rates, in the womb, but I'm sure I know where you stand on the killing of growing babies in the womb being killed at over 73 million.
Those who want to harm others or themselves will use the object they choose to use.
Take an object like a vehicle as one example...Darrell Brooks on 11/21/21 at the Waukesha Christmas parade. He drove an suv into a crowd of people and kept driving, this resulted in the deaths of six people and injuries to 62 others. Plus there have been other vehicles used to run over groups of people...so if it's the object, let's ban vehicles.
The arguments from the Left leaning are what are old, tired, ridiculous!!
Oh and you might want to alert those in the lgbt community that the side they are on politically overall is against the 2nd amendment and use of guns, so maybe the murders they have been committing with guns will lessen.
A couple of examples...
Think Hale who shot up the Covenant School which killed 3 kids and 3 staff. Shame on her.
Recently the guy who murdered Charlie Kirk. Shame on him.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Show the statistics that inform your fear.

Gun crime requires the use (abuse?) of a gun.

 

[RF667799]

Gun crime requires the use (abuse?) of a gun.

Sure. Like braining someone with a skillet requires a skillet.

I'm wanting to see why gun owners specifically constitute his fear. He said because "statistics". I want to see those statistics and I bet they either won't be forthcoming or will be insignificant if they do.

 

[mrjurrs]

Show the statistics that inform your fear.

 

[CLAX1911]

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Now do one where you eliminate suicides and gang violence. If you're in a gang I suppose things might be scary.

 

[CLAX1911]

Sure. Like braining someone with a skillet requires a skillet.

I'm wanting to see why gun owners specifically constitute his fear.

Because in general they politically oppose him and therefore they're guilty of all evil ever conceived by man.

He said because "statistics". I want to see those statistics and I bet they either won't be forthcoming or will be insignificant if they do.

So when you get into the details with the statistics if you're not a gangster and you're not suicidal possibility of being murdered or shot and killed in the US is pretty close to what it is in the UK

 

[RF667799]

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Big, fat-ass fail. Doesn't say a damn thing about the gun owners you claim to fear.

I called it.

 

[RF667799]

Because in general they politically oppose him and therefore they're guilty of all evil ever conceived by man.

So when you get into the details with the statistics if you're not a gangster and you're not suicidal possibility of being murdered or shot and killed in the US is pretty close to what it is in the UK

Also depending on where you live and spend your time in the US.

 

[mrjurrs]

Big, fat-ass fail. Doesn't say a damn thing about the gun owners you claim to fear.

I called it.

Just because you don't undetrstand math is no reason to get pissy.

The statistics that say I'm multiple times more likely to die by gun violence in America than in any other advance economy. Better?

 

[CLAX1911]

Also depending on where you live and spend your time in the US.

I would say even in the worst parts of town you're probably not going to get murdered.

 

[CLAX1911]

Just because you don't undetrstand math is no reason to get pissy.

You didn't provide him with his statistic he asked for.

You're using very broad statistics to avoid reality.

The statistics that say I'm multiple times more likely to die by gun violence in America than in any other advance economy. Better?

You need to read carefully next time you got this wrong.

Yeah if you're a gangster and you do criminal enterprises you're probably more likely to die in the US than you would be in France.

 

[RF667799]

Just because you don't undetrstand math is no reason to get pissy.

The statistics that say I'm multiple times more likely to die by gun violence in America than in any other advance economy. Better?

You claimed your fear is of gun owners, and babbling about "gun violence" and posting irrelevant statistics doesn't support your claim. Your fear might be unfounded.

 

[RF667799]

You didn't provide him with his statistic he asked for.

You're using very broad statistics to avoid reality.

You need to read carefully next time you got this wrong.

Yeah if you're a gangster and you do criminal enterprises you're probably more likely to die in the US than you would be in France.

Suicides are included in "gun violence" and indeed form the largest part. If someone is afraid they might commit suicide, it really has nothing to do with gun owners.

 

[CLAX1911]

Suicides are included in "gun violence" and indeed form the largest part. If someone is afraid they might commit suicide, it really has nothing to do with gun owners.

2/3 of it is suicide stress but the other third of it is typically gang violence. If you're involved in drug dealing or any kind of criminal Enterprise yeah you're probably putting your life at risk. Everywhere in the world but here they're going to kill you with guns in France or Germany they might cut your throat.

It's not pointing out a problem that's pointing out the existence of firearms and a place that isn't a dictatorship.

 

[mrjurrs]

You claimed your fear is of gun owners, and babbling about "gun violence" and posting irrelevant statistics doesn't support your claim. Your fear might be unfounded.

Guns don't shoot themselves.
Your fear of truth obviously influences your zealotry.

Who shot your martyr CK?
A previously law-abiding gun owner.

 

[RF667799]

Guns don't shoot themselves.
Your fear of truth obviously influences your zealotry.

Who shot your martyr CK?
A previously law-abiding gun owner.

A politically charged non sequitur doesn't rationally support your expressed fear.

You said you had statistics. I predicted you would fail on that and you didn't disappoint.

 

[RF667799]

2/3 of it is suicide stress but the other third of it is typically gang violence. If you're involved in drug dealing or any kind of criminal Enterprise yeah you're probably putting your life at risk. Everywhere in the world but here they're going to kill you with guns in France or Germany they might cut your throat.

It's not pointing out a problem that's pointing out the existence of firearms and a place that isn't a dictatorship.

My point is that to examine this fear of gun owners, we would have to know how prevalent murderers are in that population.

@mrjurrs is arguing on the same basis that some argue their fear of black men.

 

[mrjurrs]

A politically charged non sequitur doesn't rationally support your expressed fear.

You said you had statistics. I predicted you would fail on that and you didn't disappoint.

That works only if you don't know what statistics are.

What does 3.2 deaths per 100,000 population look like to you?

 

[RF667799]

That works only if you don't know what statistics are.

What does 3.2 deaths per 100,000 population look like to you?

It looks like something you're claiming without support.

 

[mrjurrs]

My point is that to examine this fear of gun owners, we would have to know how prevalent murderers are in that population.

@mrjurrs is arguing on the same basis that some argue their fear of black men.

Don't be a prick.
Explain yourself.

 

[RF667799]

Don't be a prick.
Explain yourself.

You have some statistics to show how prevalent murderers are in the population of gun owners? You claimed that statistics informed your fear of gun owners. So where are those statistics?