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What could be clearly solved?
Well, obviously not a solution YOU would like...being a progressive and all...but a solution nevertheless.
its disgusting that CJ Roberts decided he wanted to prove he was more clever than the other justices
The only real complaint I have of Roberts is that he didn't try to pin down the Democrats on whether the punishment for not buying insurance is a tax or a fine...considering they identified it as both at various times. He allowed them to stick with it as a tax in the end and that's what screwed the people.
What could be clearly solved?
offered a solution for a significant number of people without massively increasing government control, taking away the right and responsibility of people to choose for themselves and without adding massive amounts of additional spending to a government that can't keep up with the bills it already had.
I think I already answered that question...but if you insist, I'll repeat myself just this once:
Not really specific, is it.
Devil is in the details.
Ahhh...speaking of details...at least the Republicans have never said we need to vote for it to know what's in it.
In any event, perhaps...if things work out for the Republicans...perhaps we will find out the details. I'm sure, though, that you'll know the details before anything gets shoved down your throat.
So you have no details.
Got it.
Why not just say that instead of posing.
being forced to purchase a payment scheme for a service I should be able to choose and pay for myself..under penalty of law...which serves to get more people people forced under the same corrupt umbrella so insurance companies can continue to make incredible profits and idiot politicians can break their arms patting themselves on their own backs over the blatant cronyism and abject power grab they just instituted?
hey, what's not to love about that?
you know what hasn't changed?... not a single one of us know how much we pay for actual healthcare.... nobody know what the **** the costs are... and that, my friends , is by design.
500 bucks for a Tylenol?...$100 bucks for a pillow?...$4500 bucks to lance a boil?... still happening every single day.... the only difference now is, every single one of us is forced to accept and engage in this thoroughly corrupt and unethical business model.
the unwashed masses just have to pay a meager monthly fee, so they completely and utterly ignore the vast corruption that goes on with their money....
nobody cares about all that though, primarily because the american people are stupid and corrupt.
maybe next time people jump on idiot bandwagons like Obamacare, they might look at the whole scheme and say " nah, fix the corruption and unethical behavior of these money gougers and then we'll talk about forcing me to pay them monthly fees that are altogether too high".
but , meh, that would entail people not blindly supporting their chosen political party, and that won't happen in any of our lifetimes.
/rant
Details for what? Are you saying that Republican ideas should be at the "details" stage? Heck, thanks to Obama, his Democrat buddies and that abortion of their's...Obamacare, the Republicans can't get past the "ideas" stage.
But that doesn't mean those ideas don't deserve consideration. That's what's so pathetic about liberals/progressives/Democrats. Y'all would rather screw over our country by shoving something like Obamacare down our throats than consider alternatives.
Alternatives? You certainly have my full undivided attention. I am all ears.
You're all ears? Who cares?
You want to discuss alternatives? Start a thread.
being forced to purchase a payment scheme for a service I should be able to choose and pay for myself..under penalty of law...which serves to get more people people forced under the same corrupt umbrella so insurance companies can continue to make incredible profits and idiot politicians can break their arms patting themselves on their own backs over the blatant cronyism and abject power grab they just instituted?
hey, what's not to love about that?
you know what hasn't changed?... not a single one of us know how much we pay for actual healthcare.... nobody know what the **** the costs are... and that, my friends , is by design.
500 bucks for a Tylenol?...$100 bucks for a pillow?...$4500 bucks to lance a boil?... still happening every single day.... the only difference now is, every single one of us is forced to accept and engage in this thoroughly corrupt and unethical business model.
the unwashed masses just have to pay a meager monthly fee, so they completely and utterly ignore the vast corruption that goes on with their money....
nobody cares about all that though, primarily because the american people are stupid and corrupt.
maybe next time people jump on idiot bandwagons like Obamacare, they might look at the whole scheme and say " nah, fix the corruption and unethical behavior of these money gougers and then we'll talk about forcing me to pay them monthly fees that are altogether too high".
but , meh, that would entail people not blindly supporting their chosen political party, and that won't happen in any of our lifetimes.
/rant
I will support it until something better comes along. At which point I will be the first person to say **** this piece of ****, out with the old in with the new...
I support it because its better than what we had, covers more people, and forces the insurance companies to do the right thing.
No, it is yet another massive federal entitlement program based on income redistribution and crony capitalism. It was only considered constitutional because one lame SCOTUS justice decided that the federal gov't can do anything if they simply relate it to the tax code.
I will likely be modified over time, but it will not be "repealed and replaced"... that ship has sailed.
This mirrors my feelings. It's better than doing nothing, and so far, nothing is the only alternative I've seen put forward to compete with it, so for the moment I'm in favor. As soon as someone suggests something better, I'm happy to get rid of it.
Yep. The top justice suddenly became an activist judge.
Until single payer comes along ...emphatically, YES.
Then I support it.
Obamacare is very bad for me but it is good for the country. I think everybody will agree with me. I have to pay more than I did before. It's a sneaky tax that will solve some of the nation's problems. Liberals should be against it because it raises revenues and reduces expenses. Conservatives should be for it because it raises revenues and reduces expenses.
For some reason it is the other way around. :thinking That's got me pretty puzzled. Are all conservatives complete liars?
Details for what? Are you saying that Republican ideas should be at the "details" stage? Heck, thanks to Obama, his Democrat buddies and that abortion of their's...Obamacare, the Republicans can't get past the "ideas" stage.
But that doesn't mean those ideas don't deserve consideration. That's what's so pathetic about liberals/progressives/Democrats. Y'all would rather screw over our country by shoving something like Obamacare down our throats than consider alternatives.
Just a few other constituencies of note: It will also help those with pre-existing conditions that previously were uninsurable; it will help the working poor that made too much for medicaid, but could not afford insurance; it will ease the $116B spend each year to provide medical coverage to those that were uninsured; and, it will encourage entrepreneurship as no longer is one tethered to an employer because that is the only place (s)he can get health insurance...
I voted no only because there was no hell no option.
I don't CARE if there are some good components in Obamacare. There are very very few really bad laws that have no redeeming features to them whatsoever. And the few good components could have been addressed and accomplished without taking control of the entire system.
I oppose Obamacare because it is unconstitutional; most of it is very bad law that takes away the rights of the people in favor of an ever larger, more expensive, more intrusive, more authoritarian, more totalitarian central government for the benefit of a privileged permanent political class; and it is likely to complete the destruction of the finest medical system the world has ever known.
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