Do you support asylum for White Afrikaner "refugees" in America? (2 Viewers)

[Along Came Jones]

There are no statistics from the U.S goverment detailing what you asked.

Trump really should press the case with his Arab BFF to welcome gay asylum seekers, don't you agree?

There are no statistics from the U.S goverment detailing what you asked.

Trump really should press the case with his Arab BFF to welcome gay asylum seekers, don't you agree?

If there are no available statistics, how do you know applications based on sexual orientation are treated any differently than any other refugee or asylee claim?

The UNCHR(US) provides a number of links to "discussion of substantive and procedural considerations relevant to LGBTIQ+ asylum claims." And the legal information website JUSTIA features an excellent but brief discussion Asylum for LGBTQ+ Foreign Nationals which would also apply to refugee applicants.

Here's the kicker. These sources were published prior to Trump's election. I had faith in the pre-election application reviewers. Now? I'm not at all sure how "new rules" might color the process.

Concerning your new question. Sure. Trump ought to take up every humanitarian cause with his Arab BFF. Think it'll make a difference? At least 67 countries criminalize same sex relations between consenting adults. Most are in Africa. You believe Trump or any American president can motivate any country to change their laws? I don't.

If Congress ever gets their act together, what needs to be done is a revision of the Refugee applicant process to make it accessible, affordable and delivering a speedy decision. Weeks to months and not years. Same goes for both applications for temporary and permanent immigration.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

So, we're supposed to feel sorry for the white Sounth African minority who subjugated the vast black majority and sent most into poverty while they lived in luxury?

Not me, they can stay in South Africa and deal with the consequences.

The vast majority of Afrikaners have no desire to come to the US.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/no-thanks-white-south-africans-turn-down-trumps-immigration-offer-2025-02-09/

I'm not in favour of "consequences" but somehow there needs to be return of stolen land - that may mean financial compensation but forcing farmers off land did not turn out well in Zimbabwe.

 

[yankintx]

If there are no available statistics, how do you know applications based on sexual orientation are treated any differently than any other refugee or asylee claim?

The UNCHR(US) provides a number of links to "discussion of substantive and procedural considerations relevant to LGBTIQ+ asylum claims." And the legal information website JUSTIA features an excellent but brief discussion Asylum for LGBTQ+ Foreign Nationals which would also apply to refugee applicants.

Here's the kicker. These sources were published prior to Trump's election. I had faith in the pre-election application reviewers. Now? I'm not at all sure how "new rules" might color the process.

Concerning your new question. Sure. Trump ought to take up every humanitarian cause with his Arab BFF. Think it'll make a difference? At least 67 countries criminalize same sex relations between consenting adults. Most are in Africa. You believe Trump or any American president can motivate any country to change their laws? I don't.

If Congress ever gets their act together, what needs to be done is a revision of the Refugee applicant process to make it accessible, affordable and delivering a speedy decision. Weeks to months and not years. Same goes for both applications for temporary and permanent immigration.

I never suggested gayv asylum applications are treated differently, did I ?

I merely suggested that the LGBT community in certain Middle East countries are at risk just as much white South Africans.

And yes Trump should make this an issue with Arab buds, but I doubt.

As a gay American who has lived in the KSA and dated a few Arabs the fear and State sponsored discrimination is real.

Trump speaks for White South Africans, why not opressed gay Arab men?

What few stats exist from outside sources do predate Trumps second term.

The State sponsered discrimination is not contained to the Middle East, look at Jamaica ?

 

[antiquity]

Hi Guys,

Vastly different, yet with a severe overlap. The British were the first to use concentration camps. They did this in South Africa, and not against the blacks, but against the white Boers, the Dutch farmers. I don't think I need to remind you who tried everything he could to better the concept...


Joey

Blacks in South Africa, with the support of South African leaders, are confiscation white farmers land and when they resisted they were murdered. Blacks were chanting kill whites during a black nationist rally.

South African political leader calls for violence against White citizens at rally: 'Kill the Boer, the farmer'

The leader of the South African Economic Freedom Fighters party, famous for his racially-charged rhetoric, called to kill the descendants of Dutch settlers at a recent rally.

www.foxnews.com

https://twitter.com/Uncommonsince76/status/1888267755771531607?

 

[antiquity]

I find the injustice of the white farmers a lot bigger reason for asylum then 95% of those who crossed out southern border.

Just because they are white doesn't make them less deserving than other. In fact it show more of a racist attitude towards whites by the liberals.

 

[Visbek]

If that is the real reason, then I do object to it. I just don’t like the hypocrisy of the Left.

Sorry not sorry, but it's the regressives who have a monopoly on hypocrisy here.

Whites in South Africa are 1% of the population, and own 55% of the wealth. They aren't subjected to any discrimination. They spent decades subjecting Blacks to horrendous segregation and political repression. Trump is flat-out lying about land seizures.

They aren't under threat. It's just that a whopping 50 or so White Afrikaaners wanted to skip the line and move to the US. The vast majority of Afrikaaners feel no pressure whatsoever to leave.

Meanwhile, Trump is ending Temporary Protected Status for refugees where the situations in those nations aren't resolved. Venezuela, Afghanistan, Haiti and other nations are in the same condition today as in December 2024. The only difference is that Trump is a racist and a xenophobe who is more than happy to deceptively vilify brown-skinned migrants to please his racist base.

Democrats wanted to bring millions of non-Whites from the Third World into America because they believed that most of these people or their children would vote for their party and give them a permanent lock on the presidency and Congress.

Spare us the racist bullshit. TPS and asylum don't give anyone the right to vote.

Meanwhile, it's obvious that regressives and Republicans are doing everything they can to block Democrats from voting, in order to... wait for it... get a permanent lock on the Presidency and Congress.

We see your game. We've known for a long time that this "Replacement Theory" is racist bullshit, and that every accusation y'all make is a confession.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Blacks in South Africa, with the support of South African leaders, are confiscation white farmers land and when they resisted they were murdered. Blacks were chanting kill whites during a black nationist rally.

South African political leader calls for violence against White citizens at rally: 'Kill the Boer, the farmer'

The leader of the South African Economic Freedom Fighters party, famous for his racially-charged rhetoric, called to kill the descendants of Dutch settlers at a recent rally.

www.foxnews.com

https://twitter.com/Uncommonsince76/status/1888267755771531607?

Hi antiquity,

I'm sorry mate, but the conversation ends when you a produce reference you pull from Twitter published by someone called 'Truthseeker'. You gotta do better than that. I know it is not all good in SA right now, don't get me wrong. But I can produce similar videos for Germany. What am I saying. I know German people here in Thailand who regularly have meetings where they attend in full Nazi attire and salute each other with a firm 'Sig Heil', and I have not heard of German Jews asking for Asylum yet. Let alone Asylum being granted. Sorry, not impressed.

As it stands, I think a US citizen has more grounds for political Asylum (outside of the US that is of course...) than South Afrikaners.

Joey

 

[coyote505]

White South Africans arrive in US under Trump refugee plan

Donald Trump says they are victims of "racial discrimination", which is strongly denied by South Africa.

www.bbc.com

Bonus Question: How is this not racist?

It is. But it is also an equal and opposite reaction to the Democrat practice of importing those groups deemed most likely to vote Democrat.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Why are these Afrikaner Boers not returning to their home nation in the Netherlands instead of the USA?

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

White South Africans arrive in US under Trump refugee plan

Donald Trump says they are victims of "racial discrimination", which is strongly denied by South Africa.

www.bbc.com

Because these people are ABSOLUTLY seeking Asylum the LEGALS way, and for a LEGITIMATE reasons!!!...
They are becoming refugees in their home country where they are being persecuted , and want to come here for their safety!

Bonus Question: How is this not racist?

Because you Racist Leftist over look the FACT that White people are human too! ......

 

[Jason Warfield]

why would that be assumed ?

its not basically the same - illegal is illegal




you're going to have to provide a link where white illegally here people are "left alone"

First question: because the overwhelming majority of Europeans are white.

Actually, it isn't the same. Initial illegal immigration isn't a felony (it's a misdemeanor), but you all act as if it is.

What About White Undocumented Immigrants? Critics Claim ICE Raids Are Racist

Critics claim that the ICE raids of undocumented immigrants leading to mass deportations are ignoring white foreigners in the U.S. illegally.

newsone.com

 

[Along Came Jones]

First question: because the overwhelming majority of Europeans are white.

Actually, it isn't the same. Initial illegal immigration isn't a felony (it's a misdemeanor), but you all act as if it is.

What About White Undocumented Immigrants? Critics Claim ICE Raids Are Racist

Critics claim that the ICE raids of undocumented immigrants leading to mass deportations are ignoring white foreigners in the U.S. illegally.

newsone.com

Even a Class C federal misdemeanor can be penalized with some jail time. You're not suggesting misdemeanors are inconsequential, are you?

 

[roguenuke]

They should be held to the same burdens of proof as absolutely everyone else requesting asylum, including those who are being told that despite their country being run by corrupt drug cartels or beholden to them, that they will have to just deal with that. It shouldn't be one set of rules for people who look a certain way and a different set for others.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Because these people are ABSOLUTLY seeking Asylum the LEGALS way, and for a LEGITIMATE reasons!!!...
They are becoming refugees in their home country where they are being persecuted , and want to come here for their safety!


Because you Racist Leftist over look the FACT that White people are human too! ......

Um, white Afrikaners are still the beneficiary of rollover disparities in land ownership from apartheid. This should have been rectified right after apartheid ended. What are they fleeing from?

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"According to the South African Land Audit Report, white people, including Afrikaners, hold 72 percent of all registered land used for agriculture and farming in South Africa. This statistic reflects the historical land ownership patterns established during the colonial and apartheid eras, where most farmland was given to whites, mostly Afrikaners of Dutch descent, leaving only 13% of the land for Black people in 1913. As of 2022, Afrikaners make up 10.6% of South Africa's population and predominantly speak Afrikaans as their first language.4 Despite this, the Expropriation Act 13 of 2024 aims to address the vast land ownership disparity that resulted from oppressive rule."

 

[jpn]

Trump speaks for White South Africans, why not opressed gay Arab men?

You're kidding, right?

Trump doesn't give two sh*ts about oppressed people--white, black, gay, straight, whatever.

Trump cares only about feeding red meat to his often racist, often sexist, often homophobic base. That's all.

 

[jpn]

Because these people are ABSOLUTLY seeking Asylum the LEGALS way, and for a LEGITIMATE reasons!!!...
They are becoming refugees in their home country where they are being persecuted , and want to come here for their safety!
Because you Racist Leftist over look the FACT that White people are human too! ......

Few people have more legitimate fear of persecution that Afghans who worked for the U.S. and are now in the U.S. under temporary protected status.

Trump is cancelling that status.

But he's making a big show of welcoming white people from the world capital of white supremacy.

Why the inconsistency? Open your eyes. It's SO obvious.

While gruesome killings of white farmers in South Africa have captured national attention, police statistics show that the farmers are no more vulnerable to violent crime than other people in the nation.​

 

[DCCougar]

Bonus Question: How is this not racist?

Of course it is. It's no more than a stunt, trolling the libs. Most disgusting president in history.

 

[yankintx]

You're kidding, right?

Trump doesn't give two sh*ts about oppressed people--white, black, gay, straight, whatever.

Trump cares only about feeding red meat to his often racist, often sexist, often homophobic base. That's all.

I am well aware

Thus the lack of support from MAGA'S to vocalize Trumps similiar claims for discrimination for gay oppressed men and women in such countries as Qatar and UAE as he did with South African Whites.

I enjoy exposing the MAGA hypocrisy.

It exposes MAGA for what they are.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I support asylum for any refugee who is trying to flee violence and persecution in their home country.

Not one group in preference to any other.

As do I, but because they are from South Africa, and because Edolf Muskler is involved, I object.

 

[MAGAnificent]

How do you feel about Trimp deporting refuges, like the Afghanis, who are already here based in merit?

I would have to judge that based on merit. I do not know the specific reasons for those deportations.

 

[jpn]

I would have to judge that based on merit. I do not know the specific reasons for those deportations.

Let me guess, this will be hotly debated on Fox "News," right?

...in a Friday statement, DHS assistant secretary of public affairs Tricia McLaughlin said upon review of conditions in Afghanistan, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem made the decision to end TPS for those who had fled the country.​

"The Secretary determined that Afghanistan no longer continues to meet the statutory requirements for its TPS designation and so she terminated TPS for Afghanistan," McLaughlin said.​

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Shawn VanDriver, a military veteran and the president of #AfghanEvac, a nonprofit that helps Afghans resettle in America, said he firmly rejected the Trump administration's claims that the conditions in Afghanistan did not meet TPS standards.​

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"The conditions on the ground haven't improved—they've worsened," he said. "Afghans who were invited here, who built lives here, are now being told they don't matter. It's cruel, it's chaotic, and it undermines everything America claimed to stand for when we promised not to leave our allies behind."​

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Boy, I bet Fox "News" will be lit up with a raging debate on the merits of this issue, right? I can't wait to hear courageous Republican political leaders raising serious questions about this matter.

 

[jpn]

Here's a huge surprise...NOT.

One of the first white South African refugees to arrive in the United States appears to have made antisemitic comments on social media — grounds the Trump administration has tried to use to deport foreign-born pro-Palestinian activists and deny immigration requests.​

The refugee, Charl Kleinhaus, 46, said in a statement late on Wednesday that he was not an antisemitic person. He called one social media post a mistake and said that others he shared had been written by others.​

 

[Hatuey]

It's strange that there is an alleged genocide of white people going on in South Africa, but they could only find 50 people to put on the first plane.

Not even 100 ; Just 50.

 

[uptower]

Asylum from what? Being unable to impose apartheid anymore?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Let me guess, this will be hotly debated on Fox "News," right?

...in a Friday statement, DHS assistant secretary of public affairs Tricia McLaughlin said upon review of conditions in Afghanistan, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem made the decision to end TPS for those who had fled the country.​

"The Secretary determined that Afghanistan no longer continues to meet the statutory requirements for its TPS designation and so she terminated TPS for Afghanistan," McLaughlin said.​

​

Shawn VanDriver, a military veteran and the president of #AfghanEvac, a nonprofit that helps Afghans resettle in America, said he firmly rejected the Trump administration's claims that the conditions in Afghanistan did not meet TPS standards.​

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"The conditions on the ground haven't improved—they've worsened," he said. "Afghans who were invited here, who built lives here, are now being told they don't matter. It's cruel, it's chaotic, and it undermines everything America claimed to stand for when we promised not to leave our allies behind."​

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Boy, I bet Fox "News" will be lit up with a raging debate on the merits of this issue, right? I can't wait to hear courageous Republican political leaders raising serious questions about this matter.

You appear too animated to make sense.