Navy Pride
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Only a patronising paternalist would deny a woman's right to fight for her country.
We do not have a draft NP.
There is still a selective service that women will have to register for.
My argument is that everyone, including the military should challenge assumptions. Whether they change or not should be based on what they find. Think conitnous improvement.
They already do that.
Ah, you should have said that the first time. As of right now, they will not. However that likely will change.
What we have in place are not assumptions. It is a process that has been evaluated and adjusted regularly over decades. They have drawn up mission statements, and task list for these various units and the requirements to get the level of fitness and capability they need to perform the job. These standards were not maliciously set to exclude women, as men that cannot meet these standards are excluded as well.
Not if people like you have their way.
Oh...my...God...
Soviet deaths in WW2: military: over 8.8 million. Add another 12.4 million at a minimum civilian casualties. Comparing that to Vietnam is silly.
And why do you have such a low opinion of American women, my left wing friend?
would you want your wife, sister or daughter to serve in hand to hand combat and live in a foxhole?
So, why be coy? Just say what you would like to see happen. :shrug: I don't know why some of posters are afraid to actually come out and state their opinions on what they would like to see done instead of playing these silly little childish games.
I would like to see affirmative action in the military occur. 50% of all active duty members should be female,
Really? My gods that is so easily turned around. Would you want your husband, brother or son to serve in hand to hand combat and live in a foxhole? I would be very worried about anyone who would want their loved one to be in that situation, but I would be proud of any of my children (3 are daughters) who would risk themselves via military service to protect this county and it's people.
And yes I served my time as well. Remember NP, there are only 2 types of ships out at sea; submarines.....and targets.
The purpose of affirmative action is to address evidenced discrimination and the value of diversity, not to fill arbitrary quotas.
What about the discrimination in society for expecting men to be the disposable sex?
I mean real discrimination, which prevents qualified people from pursuing their goals, in today's US... not the kind that people imagine.
You don't think these "disposable" men have goals in life other than dieing?
The purpose of affirmative action is to address evidenced discrimination and the value of diversity, not to fill arbitrary quotas.
Did you not also feel it was your duty to serve your country? If so, where did you get this sense of duty. No one volunteers to put their life at risk for no reason.I volunteered of my own free will, during war, with no intention of dying. Since then I've pursued higher education in the field of my choice.
I would like to see affirmative action in the military occur. 50% of all active duty members should be female, including those on the front lines.
I would like to see affirmative action in the military occur. 50% of all active duty members should be female, including those on the front lines.
Your problem is fathers, son and brothers already do this......The question ia do you want to add mothers sisters and daughters to the equation? I don't.
It probably has a lot to do with the Army being substantially larger and actually doing more. It's easy to control a smaller group of marines off on the side with their one specific task. And yes, there have been plenty of marine embarassments.
But hey, by all means, tell me why the Army is completely incompetent in combat zones. Something tells me you don't actually have a god damn idea how we fight, and more than likely you're just letting your arrogance and overly zealous marine pride run rampant in order to boost your ego on internet forums.
Later, as commander of the Second Marine Division, and later still as commandant of the Marine Corps, Gray was in a position to implement Boyd's ideas about "maneuver warfare."
Their first combat test came in Grenada in 1983. They passed.
"We've got two companies of Marines running all over the island, and thousands of Army troops doing nothing," an Army general was quoted as saying at the time. "What the hell is going on?"
Pentagon analyst Franklin "Chuck" Spinney, Boyd's closest associate for many years, said, "The Marines [later] used Boyd's tactics in the first Gulf war, and they worked like gangbusters."
As the Marines showed success after success with their maneuver-warfare doctrine, elements of Boyd's thinking began percolating into the Army.
"If the Marine Corps picks it up, the Army's first reaction is to try to discredit it," said retired Army Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, a leading military strategist. "If it proves to work, they'll copy it and claim it was their idea all along."
Little-known pilot shaped U.S. strategy in Iraq
Today, we need expeditionary forces in all of the services, and the army is belatedly waking up to that. But no matter how theoretically effective it may be, an army that cannot get to the war or conflict is useless to the American people.
There's been a readiness crisis in the military, and especially in the army, since the mid-1990s. The former army chief of staff, for whatever reason, went to the Hill and lied about readiness. I think what we've seen in the 1990s is a politicization of the service chiefs and the Joint Chiefs overall. The administration's done a good job of picking primarily weak men, which is why Shinseki's such a great surprise. But everybody in the army knew. The people down in the motor pools, at the training ranges, in the battalions and brigades and divisions knew there were shortages of ammunition, of spare parts, or training funds. And yet again and again, the chief and the deputies went to the Hill and said, "Well, everything's pretty good, we could use a little more of this, but we're doing fine, sir." It wasn't true.
In the Gulf War, U.S. Marine Corps wheeled vehicles were killing Iraqi T-72 tanks. Now the people that sell us the heavy armor and heavy guns would have told you that was impossible. But the Marines did it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/peters.html
What about the discrimination in society for expecting men to be the disposable sex?
I heard today on one of the news shows that women will have to sign up for the draft under the new regs...(that is all women), Now that is a step in the right direction.
Well considering I don't know any men who have signed up for the draft, I'm not too worried. And why do you think it is a step in the right direction when you're against women in the military?
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