Do you like Trump?

[MAGAnificent]

Oh, I completely agree. I said that he did not campaign on the Republican party platform.

Actually he did.

 

[MSgt]

Basically, do you like Trump as President? Do you agree with his policies? Do you think the decisions that he made during his tenure in office so far are the correct ones? Do you agree with his politics? Stuff like that.

Well,

- He immediately flipped on "lock her up."
- He convinced his voters that Mexico would pay for the wall.
- He flipped on NATO as being "obsolete."
- He flipped on China being a "currency manipulator."
- He loaded his Administration with swamp creatures and and his own family members (nepotism).
- His Cabinet quickly turned into a revolving door.
- Much of his bigger social decisions get shoved back by judges.
- His grand move against Obamacare consisted of hoping that the GOP had something after so many years...they didn't.
- His economic policy involves the once touted, but now proven as a con, Trickle Down Theory.

- His foreign policy is borrowed and is just a haphazard version of Obama's weak "wait-and-see" policy.
- His policy against immigration and terrorism merely borrowed from a country list that was established by the State Department under Obama.
- His "America First" policy is a century out-dated and has only opened the door even wider for Russia and China to establish themselves as global leaders.
- His diplomatic politics involve off-the-cuff Tweets that only seek to insult and humiliate enemies and allies alike.
- His ego drives him to talk Israeli intel with Russia and reveal Britain's police investigation issues to the world, which amounts to a theme of mistrust.
- His unnecessary and very bad decision making in the Middle East has aligned our allies, our enemies, and the UN together to condemn us.

He has proven to be a very poor president and has presented our country to the world is such a way that nobody trusts us right now. Which is why I asked what would people base their "like" on.

 

[The Lurker]

I've lived there. Lviv, Kyiv, Zaporozhye, Odesa, Yalta. Don't try to lecture/bamboozle me on a country I know very well.

Just because you've lived there doesn't mean you aren't in the wrong on this topic. Many people live in the US, but I wouldn't call them experts on what's really going on in US politics.

Anyway, just take it easy. It's just a discussion. Regardless, it was not my intent to "lecture" you. As for "bamboozle," I don't know what you mean by that. How was I bamboozling you? I hope we can get along together in the future.

 

[Hari Seldon]

One does not so much like chemo as resolve get through it, and hope that it works.

I am trying to be optimistic.







MERRY CHRISTMAS!

That was a very clever post. In this case I think the cure is far worse than the disease.

 

[The Mark]

By this, I mean are you overall OK with his policies as President? Do you think he's done a good job? Are you not sure what to think of Trump's Presidency? Please answer in the poll.

I personally think he's no different from the Presidents that came before.

I dislike 99+% of his policies, I think he's done a terrible job as president, and I consider him a disgusting and despicable person.

 

[The Mark]

Ofcourse she was.

Clinton was the democrat party nominee.

I didn't want her has president, but I thought she was infinitesimally better than Trump.

Probably should have just went with a 3rd party candidate, but I got snagged by the 'We're doomed if that other gets elected" hype again.



Edit: Thinking about that last line, it strikes me that "3rd party candidate" is a part of the 2-party system we live in - alternates are so outside the norm that we call them all the 3rd party(s), rather than by name.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Anyway, just take it easy. It's just a discussion. Regardless, it was not my intent to "lecture" you. As for "bamboozle," I don't know what you mean by that. How was I bamboozling you? I hope we can get along together in the future.

Then drop the Kiselyov propaganda and the CT links. And learn the difference between über-nationalists and Nazis. Most countries in Europe have über-nationalistits, including Rossiya.

 

[The Lurker]

Then drop the Kiselyov propaganda and the CT links. And learn the difference between über-nationalists and Nazis. Most countries in Europe have über-nationalistits, including Rossiya.

What do you mean by CT? And I'm not bringing any propaganda. Also, I'm not saying that there's not a difference between ultra-nationalists and neo-Nazis, but both are worrying.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Time to first lie....

One sentence....

??????

 

[MAGAnificent]

Clinton was the democrat party nominee.

I didn't want her has president, but I thought she was infinitesimally better than Trump.

I suppose it depends on your politics. I was terrified of Hillary getting as many as three SCOTUS appoints and multiple federal judge appointments. That kind of political lean could have taken half a century to undo. And without regard to partisan politics, I was concerned with her selling influence through the Clinton Foundation.

Probably should have just went with a 3rd party candidate, but I got snagged by the 'We're doomed if that other gets elected" hype again.

That probably would have led to less overall damage to the democrat party. It would have sent a message. Hillary has been toxic to the democrat party. If in the 2020 election, Hillary is so much as a power broker, the party is doomed.

Edit: Thinking about that last line, it strikes me that "3rd party candidate" is a part of the 2-party system we live in - alternates are so outside the norm that we call them all the 3rd party(s), rather than by name.

The republicans for all practical purposes ended up with a third party candidate running on the republican ticket. The party hierchey did not intend it that way, however the establishment republicans were and still are in the dog house with conservatives. Both the GOP and the DNC attempt to control who gets nominated, however the DNC with that idiotic super delegate system made it impossible for anyone but Hillary to get their nomination.

 

[The Mark]

I suppose it depends on your politics. I was terrified of Hillary getting as many as three SCOTUS appoints and multiple federal judge appointments. That kind of political lean could have taken half a century to undo. And without regard to partisan politics, I was concerned with her selling influence through the Clinton Foundation.



That probably would have led to less overall damage to the democrat party. It would have sent a message. Hillary has been toxic to the democrat party. If in the 2020 election, Hillary is so much as a power broker, the party is doomed.





The republicans for all practical purposes ended up with a third party candidate running on the republican ticket. The party hierchey did not intend it that way, however the establishment republicans were and still are in the dog house with conservatives. Both the GOP and the DNC attempt to control who gets nominated, however the DNC with that idiotic super delegate system made it impossible for anyone but Hillary to get their nomination.

2018 is likely going to see some backlash against Trump and the republicans, but if the Democrats try to go the same routes as 2016, they'll lose again in 2020 - or at least not gain much.

 

[Fledermaus]

??????

First lie occured in the first sentence.

 

[Gaea]

I suppose it depends on your politics. I was terrified of Hillary getting as many as three SCOTUS appoints and multiple federal judge appointments. That kind of political lean could have taken half a century to undo.

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of decisions are you concerned about a liberal supreme court making?

 

[JMR]

You should have aimed your question directly at independents. You are bound to just get partisans answers.

Just curious, would you include yourself in the independents?

 

[MAGAnificent]

2018 is likely going to see some backlash against Trump and the republicans,

I think it largely depends on how things look in 2020. A year into his first term, Trump is largely holding onto those who voted for him in 2016. If we have an economy with 3 to 4% growth I think Trump will be in a good place. Ofcourse alot also depends on who the demopcrats end up running against him.

but if the Democrats try to go the same routes as 2016, they'll lose again in 2020 - or at least not gain much.

The democrats will have to have a coherent message. They will have to by then have grown out of the "Impeach Trump" mindset and actually campaign on the issues. if they want to throw mud, they will quickly find out that Trump is willing to sling it back at them like he did in 2016. And most importantly, they will have to have by then pushed Hillary Clinton out of any status as any kind of power broker in DNC politics. She is toxic to the democrat party.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of decisions are you concerned about a liberal supreme court making?

For one, I would not trust Justices picked by Hillary on any 1st or 2nd Amendment issues. In fact, I would not trust them on any issues as they would in all likelihood be activist justices who would legislate from the bench. The intent of the founders was that the justices would interpret the law according to the US Constitution rather then according to their own political leanings.

 

[NeverTrump]

By this, I mean are you overall OK with his policies as President? Do you think he's done a good job? Are you not sure what to think of Trump's Presidency? Please answer in the poll.

I personally think he's no different from the Presidents that came before.

I think you can figure that one out for yourself.

BTW, Trump's a troll. I like maybe one or two things he's done but it's not like any other Republican would NOT have done those two things.

 

[Waddy]

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of decisions are you concerned about a liberal supreme court making?

Well. it tht's an open question and anyone can answer; I have a few concerns about liberals once again running the Supreme Court.

Gun control; if the court were mostly liberal they could make it so hard to own a gun that it would be a virtual ban.

Land ownership; the EPA has been getting ever more aggressive in telling people what they can do on their own land, and eminent domain has been extrapolated way past what it was designed for. Now people can have their beach house seized because some corporation wants to build a beach front condo on that beach, and the city says it will bring in more tax money so it's OK. Or a mom and pop drug store loses their prime location by way of eminent domain, only to see a chain drugstore go in the re-developed property. These things happened in liberal run cities with liberal judges.

You would also see an end to the death penalty, unrestricted abortion, draconian prohibitions against any kind of religious symbols or prayers at public gatherings, and unions being able to force people to join in order to work. Just to name a few things a liberal court would do.

 

[Moderate Right]

Just curious, would you include yourself in the independents?

Yes, because I always vote a mixture of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents - including in 2016 when I voted for a few Democrats. And, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary either. And, I voted for Obama in 2012, not to mention some other Democrats for president not that long ago.

 

[JMR]

Yes, because I always vote a mixture of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents - including in 2016 when I voted for a few Democrats. And, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary either. And, I voted for Obama in 2012, not to mention some other Democrats for president. The headline of the poll was begging for liberals to vote so that the OP could confirm their own bias and they got what they wished. No surprise. In fact, I didn't vote in the poll because I can't vote yes and I absolutely refuse to take part in the resistance nonsense.

Do You Like Trump? is begging liberals but no one else to participate? I don't see that.

The reason for my question is, that though I have not been here long, I have noticed you have a very strong tendency to support Trump and to make rather mean remarks against those who disagree.

So in my mind, your vote in this poll is as questionable as any other.

 

[Moderate Right]

Do You Like Trump? is begging liberals but no one else to participate? I don't see that.

The reason for my question is, that though I have not been here long, I have noticed you have a very strong tendency to support Trump and to make rather mean remarks against those who disagree.

So in my mind, your vote in this poll is as questionable as any other.

I didn't vote in the poll. I don't really like Trump but I won't vote no either. I didn't even vote for Trump in the election. I wrote in who I voted for in the primary and who I wanted all along - John Kasich. But, I will defend Trump from the rabid liberal resistance nonsense that permeates everything everywhere, including the left leaning mainstream media who are made up of a bunch of Democrats and then give the illusion that they don't report the news with a bias. Hell, even today liberals and the media were blasting Melania Trump for chopping down a 200 year old tree at the White House, even though experts she asked all said it should come down. She even decided to save some of the wood and saplings that had already been growing, one of which she intends to plant on the same spot where the other tree is coming down. Doesn't stop the rabid liberal resistance and media from attacking her like she is an environmental Nazi. If the left hadn't gone so rabid I wouldn't have to defend Trump as much as I do.

By the way, I deleted some of my post you quoted because I was wrong. The thread was actually started by someone who likes Trump. What they hoped to learn from the poll I have no idea. Surely he didn't expect all of the rabid liberals to vote that they liked Trump.

 

[Lovebug]

He is as good or as bad as any prez before him. History will be the judge. I wouldn't mind having coffee with him, would like to sit down with Barack as well, getting to know them on a more personal level than what we have been allowed to know. Curiously, the jury is still out on GW, and he seems to be the one I might get along with best. But that is aside from policies. Sorry for veering off topic some.

 

[JMR]

I didn't vote in the poll. I don't really like Trump but I won't vote no either. I didn't even vote for Trump in the election. I wrote in who I voted for in the primary and who I wanted all along - John Kasich. But, I will defend Trump from the rabid liberal resistance nonsense that permeates everything everywhere, including the left leaning mainstream media who are made up of a bunch of Democrats and then give the illusion that they don't report the news with a bias. Hell, even today liberals and the media were blasting Melania Trump for chopping down a 200 year old tree at the White House, even though experts she asked all said it should come down. She even decided to save some of the wood and saplings that had already been growing, one of which she intends to plant on the same spot where the other tree is coming down. Doesn't stop the rabid liberal resistance and media from attacking her like she is an environmental Nazi. If the left hadn't gone so rabid I wouldn't have to defend Trump as much as I do.

By the way, I deleted some of my post you quoted because I was wrong. The thread was actually started by someone who likes Trump. What they hoped to learn from the poll I have no idea. Surely he didn't expect all of the rabid liberals to vote that they liked Trump.

And you see no irony in your reference to the rabid liberals...maintaining of course some kind of moderate neutrality. Confusing.

That rabid liberal resistance is no different from the rabid republican resistance to all things Obama. Sad (to use a common phrase) that our politics have devolved to this level. The fact is that Trump has not yet 1 year into his administration done anything the least bit bipartisan. He enjoys the conflict and he has his base running ragged defending the sometimes indefensible.

I found no evidence of media and the liberals blasting Melania Trump about the tree. If you have such a news report, please post it?? Even the much maligned CNN had nothing bad to say of this "decision" by Melania. It is only standard procedure for first lady to sign off on such items, and I really wonder who is trying to make something of this non issue.

Now, if you want an issue, I hear she posted quite a talked about selfie today. I won't provide a link...not wanting to go off topic here.

 

[cuban smokes]

Trump is nothing more than an asocial prick that is all about Donnie ............................... IMO that is not presidential material but obviously the GOP & the Repubics have other plans .............

 

[Moderate Right]

And you see no irony in your reference to the rabid liberals...maintaining of course some kind of moderate neutrality. Confusing.

That rabid liberal resistance is no different from the rabid republican resistance to all things Obama. Sad (to use a common phrase) that our politics have devolved to this level. The fact is that Trump has not yet 1 year into his administration done anything the least bit bipartisan. He enjoys the conflict and he has his base running ragged defending the sometimes indefensible.

I found no evidence of media and the liberals blasting Melania Trump about the tree. If you have such a news report, please post it?? Even the much maligned CNN had nothing bad to say of this "decision" by Melania. It is only standard procedure for first lady to sign off on such items, and I really wonder who is trying to make something of this non issue.

Now, if you want an issue, I hear she posted quite a talked about selfie today. I won't provide a link...not wanting to go off topic here.

That's exactly it. The Republicans had rabid resistance against Obama and now Democrats are trying to prove that they can do even better against Trump with their rabid liberal resistance. That's what makes me an independent. I saw sensational headlines about Melania wanting to take down the tree and there is a thread right here on DP from a rabid liberal who did just that.