Do you know of anyone with Covid vaccine injuries?

[jonny5]

Not interested in a debate about to or not to vaccinate.

Do you know of anyone with Covid vaccine injuries?

Can be second hand from a reliable source.

I know of two people, both fit as a fiddle who had heart attacks. Both are ok today. Both athletic, both in tremendous shape and in their late 50's. Both had stents put in.

A friend I work with had a close friend end up with nervous system damage that is serious.

I also know of a 19-year old, fit, healthy who got 3 shots and has been sickly since receiving the shots and has had shingles. His mother feels tremendous guilt as she pushed him to get the vaccines even though he was reluctant.

Could the heart attacks be coincidences? Perhaps, but if you knew these people and their lifestyles, you'd be surprised.

Yes, friend of a friend has GBS after the vaccine. No other likely cause. Of course there have been millions of reports of injuries. And of course most people are fine.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

And so many of them.

Why oh why do the vaccine side effects always hot the friends or family of those who do not trust the vaccines

They don't. They happen sometimes, and most of the side effects have been relatively rare, but some issues are significant.

I would get vaccinated again, but if I had to do it over again, I don't think I would vaccinate my 5 year old and 7 year old. We had to do so for travel, but I think the numbers showing risk to little kids of getting covid is so low that I don't mind them getting covid. The numbers show that the risk to little kids of covid is LESS than the flu we've lived with forever. So, is it worth getting an emergency use authorization vaccine for a 5 year old or 7 year old. I am certainly not certain of that. I think there is no reason not to wait for full-on studies in the normal course to ensure that the vaccine is appropriate for little kids.

 

[mike2810]

Can we blame "Operation Warp Speed" and the President who pushed the quick development for injuries from the covid vaccine?

 

[HonestJoe]

Not interested in a debate about to or not to vaccinate.

Do you know of anyone with Covid vaccine injuries?

I don't see the point in asking then.

There is clearly too much political and emotional investment in the topic to rely on any answers (either way) and even if you somehow did get honest answers from the random selection of people who chose to respond, the results couldn't tell us anything more than we already know.

Of course, your thread does open the door to talk about individual examples of bad side-effects (regardless of whether they're accurate, exaggerated or misrepresented) which will inevitably be more attention grabbing that anyone simply answering "No".

 

[Gordy327]

I know many who received the Covid vaccine. Outside of a few complaints of common side effects, no one has sustained any injury. I myself am double vacced and double boosted and I have had no issues. Neither have I had covid. The vaccine works and it's safe. Getting vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic is just common sense.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'll debate anything I have a well formed opinion on, but this isn't a poll for that.

It is a question about vaccine injuries. That you or others don't believe me doesn't bother me a bit.

The hostility over the subject is interesting to note, and your desire to have people you may disagree with go elsewhere illustrates an incredibly narrow mind.

You have no idea whether I have had the original vaccine, had boosters or not.

The question is about vaccine injury. They have happened. They are often serious, even deadly.

I have no doubt there are side effects in some individuals from the vaccine. As to their seriousness I certainly won't be taking your opinion. Your moniker alone makes you NOT trustworthy along with most of your posts. I know no one who has any permanent effects from taking the vaccine other than not having to go to the hospital or worse when they have gotten Covid.

I do know of a person who died of Covid. A 50ish old police office in the village where I work. Unvaccinated with no major health issues.

 

[Mr Person]

Actually, now that I think about it, I suffered a shattered kneecap about six months after a booster. Dangerous stuff.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

They don't. They happen sometimes, and most of the side effects have been relatively rare, but some issues are significant.

I would get vaccinated again, but if I had to do it over again, I don't think I would vaccinate my 5 year old and 7 year old. We had to do so for travel, but I think the numbers showing risk to little kids of getting covid is so low that I don't mind them getting covid. The numbers show that the risk to little kids of covid is LESS than the flu we've lived with forever. So, is it worth getting an emergency use authorization vaccine for a 5 year old or 7 year old. I am certainly not certain of that. I think there is no reason not to wait for full-on studies in the normal course to ensure that the vaccine is appropriate for little kids.

Of course there are potential side effects to the Covid vaccine, just as there are to any vaccine. For some reason the Covid vaccine became a political issue, which the flu vaccine generally has avoided ( some people in health care are mandated to take the flu vaccine and now the Covid vaccine)

 

[Airyaman]

Not interested in a debate about to or not to vaccinate.

Do you know of anyone with Covid vaccine injuries?

Can be second hand from a reliable source.

I know of two people, both fit as a fiddle who had heart attacks. Both are ok today. Both athletic, both in tremendous shape and in their late 50's. Both had stents put in.

A friend I work with had a close friend end up with nervous system damage that is serious.

I also know of a 19-year old, fit, healthy who got 3 shots and has been sickly since receiving the shots and has had shingles. His mother feels tremendous guilt as she pushed him to get the vaccines even though he was reluctant.

Could the heart attacks be coincidences? Perhaps, but if you knew these people and their lifestyles, you'd be surprised.

I knew of someone who didn't want the vaccine but ended up getting it anyway. I think it injured his pride.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Of course there are potential side effects to the Covid vaccine, just as there are to any vaccine. For some reason the Covid vaccine became a political issue, which the flu vaccine generally has avoided ( some people in health care are mandated to take the flu vaccine and now the Covid vaccine)

There is a whole host of BS associated with Covid.

 

[Gordy327]

I knew of someone who didn't want the vaccine but ended up getting it anyway. I think it injured his pride.

That's better than being injured by Covid.

 

[Gordy327]

There is a whole host of BS associated with Covid.

Most of the BS about covid probably comes from anti vaccers.

 

[JasperL]

I for one am not anti-vax. My kids are fully vaccinated with every vax the pediatrician says to take. I am vaxed and boosted for Covid, and when I am told to get a shot by my doctor, I have done so.

However, it is not "asking questions" to read a legitimate study about vaccination complications and side effects, and to understand the evidence about actual complications that are proven scientifically to happen. This is real - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2205667

Knowing this, would I get my vaxes again? Yes, I think I would. But, does that mean I have to deny the legitimacy of that information? No, of course not. I understand there is risk every time I get a flu shot, too. After a flu shot, there is a heightened risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome, for example, and you should know that before getting a flu shot. You dont' need to pretend it's not a risk. I've had a serious flu before, and it's no joke. I've tended to prefer to get the flu shot, so I reduce my chance of getting the flu, because I felt like I was going to die when I had it.

You folks seem to think this is just "antivax: and "vax" and you lack all nuance and thought. Deny. Deny. Deny. Deny. That's what you do. Pretend that these shots are magic, and that there is never a reason not to get a shot.

OK, but the question for a rational person isn't whether the vaccine has a risk - they all do. It's whether the vaccine is even in the same ballpark of risk as the disease.

A study in the Journal of American Medical Association said hospitalized adult COVID-19 patients before and after SARS-CoV-2 vaccine availability had significantly higher odds of venous—but not arterial—thromboembolism than those hospitalized for influenza before the pandemic, finds a study published today in JAMA. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/higher-risk-vein-blood-clots-covid-vs-flu-patients - that's a reality - so if someone already has a condition that puts them at risk for blood clots, it is certainly possible that they would think about not getting a covid shot, depending on their overall medical condition.

But here getting COVID roughly doubled the risk over getting the flu, and the risk was slightly higher (about 1% absolute) during the period vaccines were available, versus pre-vaccine. Without reading the entire thing, there's no indication the vaccine increased the risk, at all, in the abstract. They didn't control for, that I could find, vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and their study period included the original strain and several variants, so the study couldn't see if the variants caused the increase in risk in the post-vaccine period.

I just don't think you can read that study and conclude GETTING the COVID vaccine caused a 1% increase in absolute risk in disease in the pre-vaccine period and the post-vaccine period.

One size fits all medicine is not generally appropriate. And joining the Covid cult doesn't change that.

That's true enough, but I've yet to see a study that shows anything like the risk of vaccine is greater than the risks of getting a bad case of COVID and dying or suffering long COVID. Just the opposite, and it's not close.

So when the OP starts off with 'who knows some anecdotes about alleged harm from the vaccine', we really cannot learn ANYTHING. First of all, we have to believe his accounts, and he's a random internet person, then believe that those cases (the two heart attacks of people at an age where heart attacks are routine) were caused by the vaccine, and there's NO evidence of that. It's "bad health thing happened after the vaccine, so the vaccine must have caused it!" That's not how it works, and I'm sure you agree.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Most of the BS about covid probably comes from anti vaccers.

Don't bet on it.

Horse Paste?
If you get the vaccine, you won't get Covid?
14 days to flatten the curve?
You're racist if you suggest it was a lab leak?
Even though the US funded studies in Wuhan regarding Covid, it is racist to suggest it didn't come from a Wuhan meat market?
Use of masks is unnecessary?
Use of masks is necessary?
Let's raise the estimate for herd immunity based on how many Americans we think will take the vax, to try to nudge it up a bit more.
Exaggeration of risk to children and adolescents, and people in their 20s and 30s.
Failure to note that almost everyone who is at serious risk of something other than a cold/flu like symptoms is grossly obese or extremely old with comorbidities (they're already dying).
Social distancing at 6 feet (totally invented) https://www.forbes.com/sites/graiso...says-former-fda-commissioner/?sh=67e0eabe8e6e
Vaccines will keep you from getting sick or getting Covid - yet, Dr. Birx knew that the vaxes would not prevent infection, and that a vaccinated person would be able to spread it to others.
Walensky admitted that the vaccines were ineffective at preventing transmission.
Paul Alexander of the Brownstone Institute wrote, based on 150 studies on masks: "To date (July 2022), the evidence has been stable and clear that masks do not work to control the virus, and they can be harmful, especially to children."
Myocarditis risk in young people?
Increased blood clot risk?

The Noble Lies of Covid 19 -- https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html - they shake public trust as much as when Trump "downplayed" the virus to try to avoid panicking people. It's no different. You may think Fauci and company deserve trust because their lies are the good lies, of course. But think about that for a minute.

Remember - our government, on a state and national level, was OK with dismantling people's livelihoods, threatening doctors with loss of license, shutting down our country and our schools and making life a living hell for those who failed to go along with the untruths and misinformation the government foisted on us..

 

[MrNiceGuy]

OK, but the question for a rational person isn't whether the vaccine has a risk - they all do. It's whether the vaccine is even in the same ballpark of risk as the disease.

Then there is nothing wrong with researching, exploring and discussing, and debating, the levels of risk and the scientific evidence, associated with that risk, and the mocking and bullshit namecalling that is always and inevitably directed at those of us who like to learn about this stuff is way the hell out of line. Because YOU don't know the risks (not for sure) any more than I do, and just because you read something or Fauci said something last month or last year does NOT mean he was correct or that "the science" is settled, and a new study from Germany may well shed light on the subject and alter the analysis. It has in Europe, which has started putting limits on children getting the vaccines in many countries.

And, whether the risk is worth it is clearly something that may vary from person to person. If I suffer from a condition that puts me at high risk already for myocarditis or blood clots, i would want to raise the issue with my doctor, and even get a second opinion. Yet, if it were up to people lie those hurling insults here, I would not even know about it to raise the issue with my doctor, because they want to shut down all conversation about it, and declare research about it to be like "oh, your source is youtube" when it god damn wasn't.

But here getting COVID roughly doubled the risk over getting the flu, and the risk was slightly higher (about 1% absolute) during the period vaccines were available, versus pre-vaccine. Without reading the entire thing, there's no indication the vaccine increased the risk, at all, in the abstract. They didn't control for, that I could find, vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and their study period included the original strain and several variants, so the study couldn't see if the variants caused the increase in risk in the post-vaccine period.

Very nice commentary and relevant to the discussion, for sure.

I just don't think you can read that study and conclude GETTING the COVID vaccine caused a 1% increase in absolute risk in disease in the pre-vaccine period and the post-vaccine period.

Hence the discussion about it.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

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That's true enough, but I've yet to see a study that shows anything like the risk of vaccine is greater than the risks of getting a bad case of COVID and dying or suffering long COVID. Just the opposite, and it's not close.

Fine. And look at my comment - I'm vaxed. I'm boosted. I vaxed my kids. I would probably still get the vax today, knowing what I know. What the data is giving me pause for, though, is whether I would get the kids vaxed. Given the mountain of data that say grammar school age kids are literally not at risk of anything more than a cold from getting Covid, I am hard-pressed to take ANY risk of ANY side effect from a covid shot.

Yet, the government (in my view at the bidding of Pfizer and Moderna - massively powerful lobbying entities) want all little kids to get the covid shot. I guess it doesn't have anything to do with the mountain of additional money they will earn, with absolutely zero risk of being sued for anything since they were granted immunity.

And here we are 3 years into Covid, almost - and they STILL are working on "emergency use" - they don't publish the studies, and the data they have, and they appear to be slow-walking the real FDA approval process here. Let's just keep it an ongoing emergency, eh?

So when the OP starts off with 'who knows some anecdotes about alleged harm from the vaccine', we really cannot learn ANYTHING.

So? Not every thread has to be what you want it to be about, or directed in some productive narrative type way that you approve of. He wanted to take a straw poll as to who knew someone that said they had a covid vax side effect. Maybe it was just interesting? I find it interesting, as a matter of fact. As far as I know, I only know one person who said they got a side effect from the vax, but I do know someone.

I have a friend who is a nurse at a hospital, and some of the most covid vax resistant folks are in the medical field, and he and others in the medical field have openly said not to get vaxed, even though I have been vaxed.

First of all, we have to believe his accounts, and he's a random internet person,

You don't have to believe anything, just because it's posted here. Nobody has to believe anything on this forum. A discussion forum is just for discussion.

then believe that those cases (the two heart attacks of people at an age where heart attacks are routine) were caused by the vaccine, and there's NO evidence of that. It's "bad health thing happened after the vaccine, so the vaccine must have caused it!" That's not how it works, and I'm sure you agree.

The numbers show that the myocarditis risk is higher among younger people who got the vaccine. That's the issue. It's an unusual data set.

 

[Cardinal]

My upper arm where I got the shot felt a little bruised for a day or two. Does that count?

 

[Mika-El]

The thread title reflects the bias and misunderstanding of the thread starter. The correct term he should be referring to is "adverse effects".

Adverse effects of all Covid 19 vaccines have been continually monitored since they were implemented.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination

Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

www.cdc.gov

Adverse effects include negative side effects, injury, psychological or physiological harm, trauma, permanent or temporary disability, death.

The term injury in the medical world today is used in reference to hurting oneself at work or engaging in some action or activity while moving, i.e., it causes a trip, fall, amputation, wound, bleeding openly, concussion, fractured bone, muscle tear.

So it helps if we can at least use the appropriate phrase and for someone to ask about whether people know of anyone with adverse effects of the Covid 19 vaccines is transparent.

That is to say the person who started the thread has in past posts and threads argued the Covid 19 vaccines cause adverse effects and so should not be used.

This person simply repeats his subjective opinion that based on his belief vaccines have adverse effects they should not be used.

The above reasoning is illogical. When determining whether a vaccine should or should not be used the decision to provide it is based on measuring its positive and negative benefits and then analyzing the two. If the benefits far outweigh the negatives it can be implemented and of course special screening procedures are used to screen out those with a higher probability of suffering from the adverse effects which is done and has been done.

There is no such thing as a medical treatment without a negative side effect or potential adverse reaction. This is why any medication must be monitored.

In the case of Covid 19 people have died from conditions that would have killed them whether they took the Covid 19 vaccine or not. However any such deaths are reported and treated as Covid 19 related deaths to err on the side of caution. Further studies, specifically autopsies would need to be performed on any body of a deceased to then determine whether the death was specifically caused by Covid 19 vaccine or the coincidental condition such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes.

The protocol rules out using Covid 19 for people with specific medical conditions. There is also monitoring of adverse effects. Anyone who reports medical issues after taking Covid 19 to a doctor or hospital or medical clinic triggers a report and follow up, i.e.,

VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

VAERS is the national vaccine safety monitoring system that accepts reports of adverse events after vaccination. The system can quickly detect potential safety issues with vaccines.

www.cdc.gov

The thread starter believes there is a conspiracy to cover up the adverse effects.

 

[Kreton]

I had a terrible injury. There was this little teeny tiny hole in my shoulder. They had to put a bandaid on it!



You can't prove that invisible tigers didn't kill them.

OMG

Glad you pulled through. You are a true inspiration to us all.

 

[Kreton]

My upper arm where I got the shot felt a little bruised for a day or two. Does that count?

Oh the horrors!

This thread has really made me open my eyes to the dangers of having steel rods shoved through my body so that the government can read my thoughts and force me to vote for communism. The conspiracies were all true. You're near death experience proves it!

 

[Gordy327]

Don't bet on it.

Horse Paste?
If you get the vaccine, you won't get Covid?
14 days to flatten the curve?
You're racist if you suggest it was a lab leak?
Even though the US funded studies in Wuhan regarding Covid, it is racist to suggest it didn't come from a Wuhan meat market?
Use of masks is unnecessary?
Use of masks is necessary?
Let's raise the estimate for herd immunity based on how many Americans we think will take the vax, to try to nudge it up a bit more.
Exaggeration of risk to children and adolescents, and people in their 20s and 30s.
Failure to note that almost everyone who is at serious risk of something other than a cold/flu like symptoms is grossly obese or extremely old with comorbidities (they're already dying).
Social distancing at 6 feet (totally invented) https://www.forbes.com/sites/graiso...says-former-fda-commissioner/?sh=67e0eabe8e6e
Vaccines will keep you from getting sick or getting Covid - yet, Dr. Birx knew that the vaxes would not prevent infection, and that a vaccinated person would be able to spread it to others.
Walensky admitted that the vaccines were ineffective at preventing transmission.
Paul Alexander of the Brownstone Institute wrote, based on 150 studies on masks: "To date (July 2022), the evidence has been stable and clear that masks do not work to control the virus, and they can be harmful, especially to children."
Myocarditis risk in young people?
Increased blood clot risk?

The Noble Lies of Covid 19 -- https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html - they shake public trust as much as when Trump "downplayed" the virus to try to avoid panicking people. It's no different. You may think Fauci and company deserve trust because their lies are the good lies, of course. But think about that for a minute.

Remember - our government, on a state and national level, was OK with dismantling people's livelihoods, threatening doctors with loss of license, shutting down our country and our schools and making life a living hell for those who failed to go along with the untruths and misinformation the government foisted on us..

I'm not even going to bother with all that BS because I've heard it all before. The only thing that matters is that the covid vaccine is safe and effective, as are masks (to varying degrees) when worn properly. Like I said before, a little common sense is all that is needed. Unfortunately, too many seem to lack that.

 

[tres borrachos]

Not interested in a debate about to or not to vaccinate.

Do you know of anyone with Covid vaccine injuries?

Can be second hand from a reliable source.

I know of two people, both fit as a fiddle who had heart attacks. Both are ok today. Both athletic, both in tremendous shape and in their late 50's. Both had stents put in.
A friend I work with had a close friend end up with nervous system damage that is serious.

I also know of a 19-year old, fit, healthy who got 3 shots and has been sickly since receiving the shots and has had shingles. His mother feels tremendous guilt as she pushed him to get the vaccines even though he was reluctant.

Could the heart attacks be coincidences? Perhaps, but if you knew these people and their lifestyles, you'd be surprised.

I wonder why I don't believe a single one of the anecdotes you posted.

No, actually I don't. It's your user name. That says it all.

Let me guess. You're one of the nickzillion Trump supporters who lost your insurance and your doctor when the ACA was passed, too.

 

[Kreton]

I lost my arm after the vaccine. An eye was growing from it, it was going to spawn an evil version of me so I had to chop it off

Rub some dirt on it. You'll be fine.

Just be glad you didn't some of the other more traumatic injuries. One guy was bruised.

 

[2000Mules]

I wonder why I don't believe a single one of the anecdotes you posted.

No, actually I don't. It's your user name. That says it all.

Let me guess. You're one of the nickzillion Trump supporters who lost your insurance and your doctor when the ACA was passed, too.

"I wonder why I don't believe a single one of the anecdotes you posted."

Guessing? Perhaps you have some type of vindictive streak where you've been wronged and this is your way to feel good about your world. I hope that does not hit too close to home, but your reply drips with utter joylessness.

What do I know?

I know that what I posted is truthful and accurate. You don't believe it. I don't care.

I also noticed there are people here who, aside from you, seem to have little joy in their lives. It is palpable. It says debatepolitics.com, but it seems from the Leftist commentary I've experienced thus far, the website could be called leftistsnarkincorporated.com

There is scant debate here, and the vast preponderance of the commentary avoids the topic at hand.

What is it with my user name that has you so joyful? It's a movie that examines the abuse of drop boxes in 2020. Did you find the movie Kill Chain, The Cyber War on America's Elections offensive? This was a movie about how easily it is for our elections to be hacked. It was produced by the Left before the 2020 election. It is equally interesting for the massive holes in the election system exposed by a Finnish cyber security legend.

Did you watch either movie or are you easily upset by things you have no idea about or that challenge your world view?

 

[Top Cat]

Not interested in a debate about to or not to vaccinate.

Yeah of course you aren't. lololol