Do you feel safe?

[SpooK]

I was just curious how people feel about our homeland security post-911. I feel that all too easily many people seemed to have forgotten that terrible day.

Is our government doing everything in their power to secure our nation here on the homefront and prevent future terrorist attacks?

If not, what changes do you think need to made? What are the proper steps we need take in order to form a good emergancy action plan to minimize casualties, minimize economic damage and overall increase our nations homeland security?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I'm more concerned with armed robbery or traffic accidents than I am terrorism. I feel safe, I don't attribute any of this feeling to this government. They do what they can, but they can only do so much before betraying their purpose.

You just cant stop insane people from doing insane things every time.

 

[MSgt]

The problem that many are not acknowledging is that it doesn't matter what our government does. Currently they (Islamic terrorists) are focused on traveling to Iraq to fuel the civil violence, but our enemy is determined and religious terrorists of great desperation do not quit. People will blame whatever Party is representing the nation at the time, but the truth is that it is nearly impossible to stop an individual that is determined to spill innocent blood. Certainly as much effort should be taken to secure borders and to continue the anti-terrorist spy network, but as our tactics improve so too will our enemy's tactics change. We will undoubtedly capture or kill a would be terrorist before his deed and halt almost every single attempt. But they will land their punches.

The dynamics of our enemy are complex and as long the cdivilization in the Middle East remains determined to travel the path of the religious terrorist (as 16th century European Christianity did) we will wage this war for generations. But one thing is certain. They are not so blind that they can see themselves in a victorious win over the American powers. Our enemy sees glory in death and therefore many are only concerned about the means rather than the ends. With this in mind, the terrorist act itself is their victory for "God." Those terrorist that are playing Chess (Bin Ladden) rather than the Checkers the U.S. Intelligencia and the average politician is playing have bigger prospects to consider. The threat to America is not a few planes dropping out of the sky. Like Timothy McVeigh and his inner circle's impractical dreams about a government revolution, Bin Ladden made the mistake of thinking that a single terrorist attack would force America to retreat from the world. His kind will rethink such trivial deeds and discover that the true threats to America lie in dirty bombs, EMP bombs, contaminated water supplies upon cities, chemical agents, and disease. Of course, there is always the greatest precision weapon ever developed - the suicide bomber. Could you imagine the psycological impact upon Americans if waves of suicide bombers started hitting our cities for weeks on end?

We cannot fool ourselves into a comfortable stupor that our government can keep American soil one hundred percent safe. Nor can we fool ourselves into a defeatest mentality that when that inevitable punch lands, that we don't praise his attack by declaring that the "War on Terror" is lost.

 

[aps]

So far, 6 people have voted and we have all voted the exact same answer. Fascinating!

 

[Caine]

I'm more concerned with armed robbery or traffic accidents than I am terrorism. I feel safe, I don't attribute any of this feeling to this government. They do what they can, but they can only do so much before betraying their purpose.

You just cant stop insane people from doing insane things every time.

I agree completely.

I feel that people worry too much about terrorism.
Your more likely to get robbed and shot by some thug ganster than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack.

 

[SpooK]

The problem that many are not acknowledging is that it doesn't matter what our government does. Currently they (Islamic terrorists) are focused on traveling to Iraq to fuel the civil violence, but our enemy is determined and religious terrorists of great desperation do not quit.

It seems to me that our government is only concerned with trying to eliminate terrorists in foreign countries.

I understand our government is taking some steps to increase our homeland security, but I certainly wouldnt say we are even close to being secure.

People will blame whatever Party is representing the nation at the time, but the truth is that it is nearly impossible to stop an individual that is determined to spill innocent blood. Certainly as much effort should be taken to secure borders and to continue the anti-terrorist spy network, but as our tactics improve so too will our enemy's tactics change. We will undoubtedly capture or kill a would be terrorist before his deed and halt almost every single attempt. But they will land their punches.

Your absolutely right. It is going to be nearly impossible to stop such a determined group of terrorists completely, all the time. However, what we need to do is as a whole, increase our homeland security -- making it harder for these terrorists to successfully complete whatever terroristic mission they come up with. Overall, I think we are sitting ducks.

The dynamics of our enemy are complex and as long the cdivilization in the Middle East remains determined to travel the path of the religious terrorist (as 16th century European Christianity did) we will wage this war for generations. But one thing is certain. They are not so blind that they can see themselves in a victorious win over the American powers. Our enemy sees glory in death and therefore many are only concerned about the means rather than the ends. With this in mind, the terrorist act itself is their victory for "God." Those terrorist that are playing Chess (Bin Ladden) rather than the Checkers the U.S. Intelligencia and the average politician is playing have bigger prospects to consider. The threat to America is not a few planes dropping out of the sky. Like Timothy McVeigh and his inner circle's impractical dreams about a government revolution, Bin Ladden made the mistake of thinking that a single terrorist attack would force America to retreat from the world. His kind will rethink such trivial deeds and discover that the true threats to America lie in dirty bombs, EMP bombs, contaminated water supplies upon cities, chemical agents, and disease. Of course, there is always the greatest precision weapon ever developed - the suicide bomber. Could you imagine the psycological impact upon Americans if waves of suicide bombers started hitting our cities for weeks on end?

You're right. These are all things that we need to have more security with: chemical agents, ensuring uncontaminated water supply, how about the food supply?, importation of goods, biological wastes that we dispose of.... many many things that could cause severe damage to US -- not just by taking lives, but the huge economic impact many of these attacks could have on us.

Hypothetically, if our food or water were to become contaminated, what would our plan of action be? What plan is currently in effect to handle the situation? That is a large part of the battle I think. If we were able to contain (or had a plan) for any sort of terrorist situation and be able to recover smartly, we would be that much better off. Remember back in 2003 when we had 1 cow infected with mad cow disease? Instantly, countries stop importing our beef. How hard was it to determine where it came from, where are the others that came with it, is this the only infect cow, etc etc. What would we do if terrorists infected our food with some sort of crazy whatever?

I dont understand why we need to wait for the attack and deal with it after? You would think after 911 we would of learned that wasnt the way to handle business, but I dont think we learned our lesson.

We cannot fool ourselves into a comfortable stupor that our government can keep American soil one hundred percent safe. Nor can we fool ourselves into a defeatest mentality that when that inevitable punch lands, that we don't praise his attack by declaring that the "War on Terror" is lost.

Again, you're right. We cant be 100% safe. However, I think we aren't 10% safe on half of the major security issues. That's why we need to have more measures being taken and not wait until the next attack to start waking up.

 

[DeeJayH]

I agree completely.

I feel that people worry too much about terrorism.
Your more likely to get robbed and shot by some thug ganster than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack.

i was surprised to learn that you are more likely to die in a Drunk Driving accident than all other criminal acts COMBINED

That being sad; do i feel safe?
Absolutely, fear does not rule my life like it does for so many others
but the Federal Gov't surely could do a hell of a lot more than they currently have
real security measures, not token gestures to satisfy the fickeled ignorant masses

 

[1069]

No, I don't feel safe. In fact, I've felt increasingly threatened by my own government for the past five or six years.
That wasn't one of the poll options, so I didn't vote.
But I feel far safer now than I did before Nov 7th.
Checks and balances, at least, are back in place.

 

[SpooK]

No, I don't feel safe. In fact, I've felt increasingly threatened by my own government for the past five or six years.
That wasn't one of the poll options, so I didn't vote.
But I feel far safer now than I did before Nov 7th.
Checks and balances, at least, are back in place.

It seems like our gov't has been dragging their feet for awhile. What steps do you think need to be taken?

 

[1069]

It seems like our gov't has been dragging their feet for awhile. What steps do you think need to be taken?

I think we've taken all the steps we can at the moment; ousting the rubber-stamp congress was the main one.
We needed to put some brakes on the runaway GOP machine, and we've done that.
Like I said: checks and balances.
I hope the new congress will demand accountability (in the future; I'm not too worried about the past at the moment) from the Bush administration.
I hope November 7th was a wake-up call: pander shamelessly to special interest groups and disregard the Will of the People to the detriment of your party.
I hope GOP leaders still in power will heed this warning, and cease to be yes-men, sycophants, and rubber-stampers for a president who is not in touch (and worse, knows it and doesn't care) with the will of the vast majority.
I hope we can extricate ourselves from the middle east without much more damage.
Failing that, I hope we can ride out the remainder of this disastrous presidential term without any further major mishaps, either domestically or abroad.

 

[SpooK]

I think we've taken all the steps we can at the moment; ousting the rubber-stamp congress was the main one.
We needed to put some brakes on the runaway GOP machine, and we've done that.
Like I said: checks and balances.
I hope the new congress will demand accountability (in the future; I'm not too worries about the past at the moment) from the Bush administration.
I hope November 7th was a wake-up call: pander shamelessly to special interest groups and disregard the Will of the People to the detriment of your party.
I hope GOP leaders still in power will heed this warning, and cease to be yes-men, sycophants, and rubber-stampers for a president who is not in touch (and worse, knows it and doesn't care) with the will of the vast majority.
I hope we can extricate ourselves from the middle east without much more damage.
Failing that, I hope we can ride out the remainder of this disastrous presidential term without any further major mishaps, either domestically or abroad.

I really dont think we've taken nearly all the steps we can/should have taken. I think if any terrorist organization attempts to infultrate just about anything, we are going to be hurting. Whether it be our importation of goods, contamination of food or water supply, chemical plants/refineries... just about anything.

Whether you agree with the war or not, I can't help but believe that it is disrupting their planning/scheming. Although, I'm not really focused on discussing that here. I am more concerned with security on our homefront.

What gameplan do you think the Democratic party has in store for us to help increase our homeland security?

 

[jamesrage]

I was just curious how people feel about our homeland security post-911. I feel that all too easily many people seemed to have forgotten that terrible day.

Is our government doing everything in their power to secure our nation here on the homefront and prevent future terrorist attacks?

If not, what changes do you think need to made? What are the proper steps we need take in order to form a good emergancy action plan to minimize casualties, minimize economic damage and overall increase our nations homeland security?

The government has made some changes but it needs a whole lot of work.The NSA wiretaps,the patriot act and other anti-terrorist bills are meaningless with out sufficient border security,its like having a security alarm for your house but your doors and windows are wide open.

 

[MSgt]

It seems to me that our government is only concerned with trying to eliminate terrorists in foreign countries.

Well, they can only do so much. How often have you heard opposing politicians whine about an over dramatized loss of freedoms at the expense of security? It seems that it doesn't matter what our government trieds to do, always there will be the other side politician with his legion of constituents that are willing to sacrifice all for a simple political "win." But just like this "War on Terror" will be generational, so will the evolution of our nation security and our laws.

As far as "eliminating foreign terrorists in other countries," the logic is that if they are fighting us there then they aren't forming plans to attack our cities here. Finding current day terrorists and killing them wther we go to them or they travel to Iraq to us, is the immediate solution. However, until we are able to address this problem throughout the region that spawns the desperation of religious terrorism, we are punching at thin air. Consider this...

1 - Iran is a democratic nation that was steadily traveling towards the cultures that western civilizations have to offer. Ahmenadejad and the Radical right halted that progress.

2 - Lebanon is a brand new democratic nation that is clinging to it's destiny despite the actions of Hezbollah and their cheerleaders.

3 - Iraq is a country that is clinging to the prospect of being the first truly free democratic Arab nation in the ME despite the actions of a few Sunni zealots and retaliatory Shi'ite present.

The commonality amongst these three nations is that they hold the largest populations of Shi'ites and they seek or are living in some sort of Democracy. Now....

A - Egypt is a country that is determined to maintain the traditions of oppression.

B - Pakistan is a country that is wrecked with failure. Given their British colonial guidance, they should have been a contender, but Pakistani's fell to the "extended family syndrom" and destroyed their democracy. Today, this highly radical and nuclear nation is held together by a military loyal to the U.S.

C - Saudi Arabia is a country that has made a very small effort by allowing extremely low level elections in its country, but the "House of Saud" is determined to maintain the oppressions and the fundamentalisms that so damage their society. They have spent billions throughout the region and beyond to sew the seeds of religious terrorism and blame in an effort to exhonerate their sins and use us as a scapegoat for self-prescribed failures.

The commonality amongst these nations is that they represent the largest populations of Sunni. They are the heart of Radical Islam and they are our "friends." One can easily put this together if one were to be honest and recognize that we have to maintian a friendship with a nuclear Pakistan, have to maintain a friendship with an Islamic Egypt that has agreed to vacate violent opposition towards Israel, and we have to maintina a friendship with an oil rich Saudi Arabia. And because of these reasons, the American government will continue to hope that these countries change on their own through subtle pressure (Iraq's success?) as our troops fight their very creations.

Crazy world.

Hypothetically, if our food or water were to become contaminated, what would our plan of action be? What plan is currently in effect to handle the situation? That is a large part of the battle I think. If we were able to contain (or had a plan) for any sort of terrorist situation and be able to recover smartly, we would be that much better off. Remember back in 2003 when we had 1 cow infected with mad cow disease? Instantly, countries stop importing our beef. How hard was it to determine where it came from, where are the others that came with it, is this the only infect cow, etc etc. What would we do if terrorists infected our food with some sort of crazy whatever?

Well, like with 9/11, many Americans will choose the easier path and try to believe that only a few "rogues" of Islam are the problem and not an entire civilization that is failing on many levels of social oppression. Let's take this scenario to an extreme (but possible). Though some see this as "fear mongering" it is a possibility that a product of the Middle East may one day manage to get his hands on a nuclear device and detonate it on our soil or a friend's soil. Are we to stand by and investigate the source so that we can satisfy a global need for "proof" or will we simply take nuclear action in the fear that another blast might be on the way? This is not a predicament we want the Middle East to put us in.

I dont understand why we need to wait for the attack and deal with it after? You would think after 911 we would of learned that wasnt the way to handle business, but I dont think we learned our lesson.

With the invasion into Iraq to take out a threat and to deal with a damaged and oppressed Middle East, we shattered the cowards excuse that tyranny may thrive as long as it "doesn't affect me." This sense that we must be attacked before we take out a blight on humanity or a historical threat is horribly irresponsible. The historical "soveriegnty con game" is what gave credibilty ot the rise of men like Hitler and allowed human attrocities like that in Sudan. Hopefully, the American government will be quicker to listen to those few enlightened of our intelligencia that forecasted a future 9/11 and the social experts that have been preaching on the Islamic dynamics in the ME for twenty years.

Unfortunately, the American people will probably always fall victim to those simple politicians that can't explain themselves very well and those defiant politicians that seek to destroy any effort at any cost for a vote.

 

[dragonslayer]

I feel safe. I would feel safer without Bush and the NeoCons. :rofl creating enemies and terrorist that hate America.

If I lived in Oakland,CA, LA, or some other urban areas I would be much more worried about a drive by shooting from gangs than Terrorists.

Even before Homeland Security, we still had Spies, the US Marshalls, the military, the FBI, Border Patrol, the Cia, state and local police, and many communty organizations. We were pretty well protected then, and we still have terrorist. American (oklahoma City) and foreign (the Towers). I am not going to worry about this, and I feel sorry for those that do. We will have terrorist attack, Auto Accidents, Gang drive By shootings, murders, bank robberies, children molested and killed, Women killed and mistreated by husbands... Death, and Crime are part of American Culture. We cause it, and we love to read about it.

If it happens there is nothing we can so but react, we will do the best we can. I will not be paranoid. I will be careful when it seems necessary to be careful. I own firearms, but I will not carry one. that to me rediculous.

Maybe I willl carry a sword. I own some swords, and I use to study fencing, kendo, and Judo. Maybe we could all wear kevlar armor, or suits of steel armor.
May be we could live houses that have armor like an Abram's tank.

Maybe if we die, it is just God collecting us, because our time is up.:doh

 

[dragonslayer]

Well, they can only do so much. How often have you heard opposing politicians whine about an over dramatized loss of freedoms at the expense of security? It seems that it doesn't matter what our government trieds to do, always there will be the other side politician with his legion of constituents that are willing to sacrifice all for a simple political "win." But just like this "War on Terror" will be generational, so will the evolution of our nation security and our laws.

As far as "eliminating foreign terrorists in other countries," the logic is that if they are fighting us there then they aren't forming plans to attack our cities here. Finding current day terrorists and killing them wther we go to them or they travel to Iraq to us, is the immediate solution. However, until we are able to address this problem throughout the region that spawns the desperation of religious terrorism, we are punching at thin air. Consider this...

1 - Iran is a democratic nation that was steadily traveling towards the cultures that western civilizations have to offer. Ahmenadejad and the Radical right halted that progress.

2 - Lebanon is a brand new democratic nation that is clinging to it's destiny despite the actions of Hezbollah and their cheerleaders.

3 - Iraq is a country that is clinging to the prospect of being the first truly free democratic Arab nation in the ME despite the actions of a few Sunni zealots and retaliatory Shi'ite present.

The commonality amongst these three nations is that they hold the largest populations of Shi'ites and they seek or are living in some sort of Democracy. Now....

A - Egypt is a country that is determined to maintain the traditions of oppression.

B - Pakistan is a country that is wrecked with failure. Given their British colonial guidance, they should have been a contender, but Pakistani's fell to the "extended family syndrom" and destroyed their democracy. Today, this highly radical and nuclear nation is held together by a military loyal to the U.S.

C - Saudi Arabia is a country that has made a very small effort by allowing extremely low level elections in its country, but the "House of Saud" is determined to maintain the oppressions and the fundamentalisms that so damage their society. They have spent billions throughout the region and beyond to sew the seeds of religious terrorism and blame in an effort to exhonerate their sins and use us as a scapegoat for self-prescribed failures.

The commonality amongst these nations is that they represent the largest populations of Sunni. They are the heart of Radical Islam and they are our "friends." One can easily put this together if one were to be honest and recognize that we have to maintian a friendship with a nuclear Pakistan, have to maintain a friendship with an Islamic Egypt that has agreed to vacate violent opposition towards Israel, and we have to maintina a friendship with an oil rich Saudi Arabia. And because of these reasons, the American government will continue to hope that these countries change on their own through subtle pressure (Iraq's success?) as our troops fight their very creations.

Crazy world.




Well, like with 9/11, many Americans will choose the easier path and try to believe that only a few "rogues" of Islam are the problem and not an entire civilization that is failing on many levels of social oppression. Let's take this scenario to an extreme (but possible). Though some see this as "fear mongering" it is a possibility that a product of the Middle East may one day manage to get his hands on a nuclear device and detonate it on our soil or a friend's soil. Are we to stand by and investigate the source so that we can satisfy a global need for "proof" or will we simply take nuclear action in the fear that another blast might be on the way? This is not a predicament we want the Middle East to put us in.






With the invasion into Iraq to take out a threat and to deal with a damaged and oppressed Middle East, we shattered the cowards excuse that tyranny may thrive as long as it "doesn't affect me." This sense that we must be attacked before we take out a blight on humanity or a historical threat is horribly irresponsible. The historical "soveriegnty con game" is what gave credibilty ot the rise of men like Hitler and allowed human attrocities like that in Sudan. Hopefully, the American government will be quicker to listen to those few enlightened of our intelligencia that forecasted a future 9/11 and the social experts that have been preaching on the Islamic dynamics in the ME for twenty years.

Unfortunately, the American people will probably always fall victim to those simple politicians that can't explain themselves very well and those defiant politicians that seek to destroy any effort at any cost for a vote.

Very nice post, reads like a crime novel. yes let us blame those who love peace for the war. The Bush war in Iraq, was pure aggression and has resulted in nothing but grief and death of innocents and poor misled americans.

tyranny?? there was worse tyranny going on all over Africa, and South America, and Asia than in Iraq. Stop Why did bush stand on the deck of an aircraft carrier and tell us that our objectives for the war had been accomplished and then get another 2700 US military killed?

Bush is a sicko, and the war in Iraq and our sudden concern for Shia and Sunni is silly.. Let us withdraw and let the people of Iraq resolve all the problems that Bush caused. It is their country not ours. If Bush really need a war, he can invade Nevada.

 

[MSgt]

This is exactly the damaging sentiment of politicial blindness I referred to.....

Very nice post, reads like a crime novel. yes let us blame those who love peace for the war. The Bush war in Iraq, was pure aggression and has resulted in nothing but grief and death of innocents and poor misled americans.

What peace are you referring to? American "peace" at the expense of Muslim oppression as we receive oil? The "peace" we maintained during the Clinton years as Al Queda was attacking U.S. military forces without retaliation? How about in Sudan? Are you enjoying your "peace" as Sudanese are slaughtered daily?

It's this distorted and twisted sense of "peace" that has so damaged much of the world and poses as a long term threat to our role in it. Its a morallistic crime on humanity. "It's not my problem" has been the mantra of all people that watch tyranny thrive from afar throughout history until it becomes so great that it cannot be ignored.

tyranny?? there was worse tyranny going on all over Africa, and South America, and Asia than in Iraq. Stop Why did bush stand on the deck of an aircraft carrier and tell us that our objectives for the war had been accomplished and then get another 2700 US military killed?

Because President Bush is an uninformed typical American that happens to run the country. If you let go of your elementary emotional outburst you would allow yourself a measure of honesty in your protest and recognize that he is one of those "politicians that doesn't explain himself well" that I referred to. That banner merely meant tat Baghdad fell and the Saddam regime was defeated. The military did indeed accomplish their mission. But, in this generational war against Islamic terrorism, we can never declare "Mission Accomplished." Such declarations will always be used against us by a simple blast from a suicide bomber. And upon that blast, we will always find partisan enslaved Americans way too eager to declare defeat.

As for tyranny, we have had U.S. Marines in Chad and Ehtiopia for almost two years now. However, the tyranny in Africa and South America have very little to do with a failing civilization in the Middle East that breeds religious terrorism. We haven't the luxury, time, nor the treasure to spend on all the problems of the world at once. Focusing on the threat will do for now.

Bush is a sicko, and the war in Iraq and our sudden concern for Shia and Sunni is silly.. Let us withdraw and let the people of Iraq resolve all the problems that Bush caused. It is their country not ours. If Bush really need a war, he can invade Nevada.

An utter useless rambling. You have a need to believe that our concerns with Shi'ites and Sunnis have been a focus only since February 2003. You also have a need to believe that sectarian bigotry is a cause of a current administration. Perhaps you are not aware of the history of the Middle East and its make up. Perhaps, like so many Americans, you have only discovered that there was a Middle East on 9/11 and it involved more than a Palestinian/Israeli struggle. Perhaps your need to hate Bush has you confused about the world you live in. If only we can go back to the days when America supported dictators for oil stability and gave outright winks to UN scandels and half assed humanitarian missions. The "peace" was so comforting.

 

[Stinger]

Hmmmmm

Well the left has won the propaganda war.

They want us out of Iraq which will give a victory to our enemies and a place to operate out of.
They don't want us to engage in foriegn signals intelligence.
They don't want us to be able to question enemy whom we capture.

Do I feel safer? Nope, we all better get ready, they are coming after us with a resolve we certainly do not have.

 

[Hoot]

I think the biggest thing that has happened to make our country more secure is the recent election that voted the neo-cons out of power.

 

[MSgt]

I think the biggest thing that has happened to make our country more secure is the recent election that voted the neo-cons out of power.

There have been some great plan for security implimented since the elections we haven't heard about? American security has been enhanced by simply voting for a politician?

How is this any better than stating that "America is now doomed, because the Liberals are in office?"

 

[dragonslayer]

There have been some great plan for security implimented since the elections we haven't heard about? American security has been enhanced by simply voting for a politician?

How is this any better than stating that "America is now doomed, because the Liberals are in office?"

yes and it always has been, look at what a those darn liberals did in ww2, ww1, Darn those liberal always lose the wars.. (this is called sarcasm) Yet they did not invade a Country for no darn reason, but liking to show power and order men to their death as Bush did .

 

[Calm2Chaos]

The government has done a number of things to try and make this country a little more secure. But the truth is there is a lot left to be done and to many people in this country that will cry about pretty much anything. Our agencies are not allowed to be effective, our borders are open, our immigration checks are lacking to say the least. We will never be really secure because we are to worried about upsetting people. The same reason we are having problems in Iraq is the same reason we can't secure our own country. It's a PC war that just can't be won

 

[tecoyah]

The government has done a number of things to try and make this country a little more secure. But the truth is there is a lot left to be done and to many people in this country that will cry about pretty much anything. Our agencies are not allowed to be effective, our borders are open, our immigration checks are lacking to say the least. We will never be really secure because we are to worried about upsetting people. The same reason we are having problems in Iraq is the same reason we can't secure our own country. It's a PC war that just can't be won

Interesting....as I dont remember much getting in the way of Immigration and Border security when it was finally proposed. Mind you, the actual plan to accomplish this is a joke, as the Administration really seems uninterested in making it a priority. As for the claim:
"The same reason we are having problems in Iraq is the same reason we can't secure our own country. It's a PC war that just can't be won"
We are having problems in Iraq because a group of People there are fighting the security situation with incredible amounts of Violence and Killing, I fail to see this happening in the U.S.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Interesting....as I dont remember much getting in the way of Immigration and Border security when it was finally proposed. Mind you, the actual plan to accomplish this is a joke, as the Administration really seems uninterested in making it a priority. As for the claim:
"The same reason we are having problems in Iraq is the same reason we can't secure our own country. It's a PC war that just can't be won"
We are having problems in Iraq because a group of People there are fighting the security situation with incredible amounts of Violence and Killing, I fail to see this happening in the U.S.

As for the border.. This administration is not doing what it should be to make it secure. They have moved this problem along to apease people. But have no intentions of doing anything about the problem.


We are having problems in Iraq because we are not willing to do what is needed to win. We have not been willing to do what is needed to win from the begining. We are fighting the PC war to make sure we don't upset to many people at one time. You can't honestly thin that if the US put a 100% of it's might and it willingness into this that it would have ever become the problem it is today. We should have went in there HARD and fast. We should have secured the borders and given warning to those supplying the killers (syria and Iran) that there will be consiquences if they are found to be supplying fighters or aid to anyone in Iraq. Rebels, freedom fighters, terrorist, insurgents should have been dealt with severely and quickly. This country should have been laid low before entering it with 300k + soldiers. Flood the country with immediate power and security as soon as the bombs are finished dropping. Restrict all movement until order is secured, martial law throughout the nation. Have ready the basic neccesities people are going to need to live and get those utilities up and running,Establish security, establish a government, establish control, rebuild infrastructure using Iraqi money, US supplies and US and Iraq manpower. Once the government is up and security forces are in place you step back and hope for the best.

 

[tecoyah]

We are having problems in Iraq because we are not willing to do what is needed to win. We have not been willing to do what is needed to win from the begining. We are fighting the PC war to make sure we don't upset to many people at one time. You can't honestly thin that if the US put a 100% of it's might and it willingness into this that it would have ever become the problem it is today. We should have went in there HARD and fast. We should have secured the borders and given warning to those supplying the killers (syria and Iran) that there will be consiquences if they are found to be supplying fighters or aid to anyone in Iraq. Rebels, freedom fighters, terrorist, insurgents should have been dealt with severely and quickly. This country should have been laid low before entering it with 300k + soldiers. Flood the country with immediate power and security as soon as the bombs are finished dropping. Restrict all movement until order is secured, martial law throughout the nation. Have ready the basic neccesities people are going to need to live and get those utilities up and running,Establish security, establish a government, establish control, rebuild infrastructure using Iraqi money, US supplies and US and Iraq manpower. Once the government is up and security forces are in place you step back and hope for the best.

But.....thats not what we did.....now is it?

Face it...the Democrats were totally suppoting Bush when he started this fiasco, and he F@cked it all up. Why are you trying to place the blame on them now....or I suppose on the PC crowd that you generally infer are the Liberal Left wing democrats. You just laid out a war plan I fully agree with, if indeed you decide to go to war....beat the hell outa anyone in the way of victory. I was hoping for the best during the "Shock and Awe" phase, and expected a quick resolution based on what information I had.....by the time of "Mission Accomplished", I knew we were screwed.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

But.....thats not what we did.....now is it?

At some did you see me say we did.. I think I pretty much said the exact opposite

Face it...the Democrats were totally suppoting Bush when he started this fiasco, and he F@cked it all up. Why are you trying to place the blame on them now....or I suppose on the PC crowd that you generally infer are the Liberal Left wing democrats. You just laid out a war plan I fully agree with, if indeed you decide to go to war....beat the hell outa anyone in the way of victory. I was hoping for the best during the "Shock and Awe" phase, and expected a quick resolution based on what information I had.....by the time of "Mission Accomplished", I knew we were screwed.

Because I think you have a large portion that have a short attention span. And soon as there started to be a cost they turned. I don't think this was handled correctly and I am not saying it was. But I think the admistration is also handcuffed to a degree on what the congress and house will allow. And if you offend there sensibilities then you lose there support. And to fight this from the begining the way it should of been would have been a little more hard to swallow while looking at your liberal constituents. I think there outright actions and over the top extemely public bashing of the president and his administration did little for our cause but did load for those that we were fighting. I don't think you have to agree with him..But I think embracing those that compare our troops to terrorist, nazis and storm troopers. Or making those comparisons themselves. This does one thing, proves to our enemies that we can be beaten. That ina war of attrition we will turn in on ourselves and implode. And time is allthat is needed to beat us. Public and internation perception is a powerfull thing. And these liberal democrats you talk about cut this adminitrations legs out in short order as soon as they heard a grumble and thought they might lose a vote.