Do you consider yourself "woke" (tolerant, open-minded, progressive, pro-science) ?

[mrjurrs]

Your statement shows how little you realize why the world is in the sad condition that it’s in. So called “woke/tolerant” people like you have ruined it.

Keep your words out of my mouth. Adios mf

 

[antiquity]

I was with you until you listed progressive...

 

[Crunchtime]

The one thing they won't tolerate is intolerance. You feel differently.

I believe in free speech. I also believe in showing people respect in how I use my speech. That does in no way limit telling the truth. I also have found that determining someone’s character by what they say on this board is reckless.

 

[Lucky 1]

I am tolerant, open-minded, and pro-science......but I'm not a leftist or progressive.....

 

[Mongidig]

Get rid of the pandering and the guy’s are girls, girls are guy’s thing and we can talk.

 

[Lord of Planar]

What is the problem with treating others who might be different from you with the same respect as you would hope that they treat you? Is the ethic of reciprocity (Golden Rule) also offensive to you? Jesus didn't limit his teachings to just white conservative people.


Matthew 7:12,


Matthew 25:40


Luke 6;31

It's as if these people are finally discovering such things.

Are basic concepts of ethics and morality also a cult?

Not at all. I'm speaking of how I see "woke" applied and presented.

Seriously. Did these people finally wake up to reality? By what my understanding of woke is suppose to be, I've already been that way for well over 50 years.

All I see is another tool the left uses.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I am tolerant, open-minded, and pro-science......but I'm not a leftist or progressive.....

I'm with you. Again, it's as if the left is finally understanding how people should treat others. We have known all along.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I finally got around to voting, and voted NO. Progressive does not apply. I think most progressive ideas are stupid. Tolerant, open minded, and pro science. Absolutely.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I agree. The current use of "progressive" and "woke is limited and pejorative. What I mean is that I am tolerant and respectful and, if "pro-science" means enthusiastic admiration for scientific research and the continuing pursuit of knowledge, I'm that too. And I'm definitely "awake."

I don't understand why others were not awake, and now have to proclaim they woke.

 

[Crunchtime]

I don't understand why others were not awake, and now have to proclaim they woke.

Melodrama is their middle name. In their mind a life without needless complication isn’t a life worth living.

 

[Bullseye]

I agree. The current use of "progressive" and "woke is limited and pejorative. What I mean is that I am tolerant and respectful and, if "pro-science" means enthusiastic admiration for scientific research and the continuing pursuit of knowledge, I'm that too. And I'm definitely "awake."

I try to be as tolerant and respectful assuming I'm also accorded those courtesies. I believe people should be allowed to live according to their own lights as long as the understand they are not free to force them on others or demand concessions or variances from me. I will not support, nor to the best of my ability, discrimination based on race, sexual identity, race, etc. Nor will I support additional benefits, set-asides, or preferences based on those traits.

 

[Lisa]

It's as if these people are finally discovering such things.

Not at all. I'm speaking of how I see "woke" applied and presented.

Seriously. Did these people finally wake up to reality? By what my understanding of woke is suppose to be, I've already been that way for well over 50 years.

All I see is another tool the left uses.

Your understanding of what Woke means is wrong and has been wrong. Nobody else changed.

 

[Lisa]

It means you call bigotry anything that does not agree with you.

Progressives use all kinds of shoutdowns to make sure anyone who disagrees with them knows they (the progressives.....) are the smartest people on earth.

Bigotry is treating others as less than yourself. It is a very simple concept.

 

[Bodi]

Yes, of course.

People can and should be open to progress, aware of and against racism, sexism, etc. without labeling themselves. All identifying as Woke does is try to make yourself appear righteous and that is arrogance gone awry. Woke is worse than Political Correctness.

 

[Indydave]

I have been a liberal ever since Vietnam and Nixon......I thought as a centrist in those days but I believed in those days that the GOP was more open minded and intelligent than today....I still think this......the GOP started their downward intellectual spiral during Vietnam and the civil rights movement of the 60s......the GOP assumed their southern strategy policies and sold out to the Dixiecrats.....Fox came along as their propaganda machine which led to the acceptance of under educated fools as national leaders ......they abandoned public education because of their racist viewpoints......this resulted in the dumbing down of inner city education and generations of young blacks also rejecting education.....so here we are today.....no voices of reason and wisdom.....a nation of fools

 

[Bodi]

Woke means aware. Especially for minorities. Woke means they know they are getting screwed. And how they are getting screwed.

It would be nice if Woke also meant... and we are going to actively help them by donating time and money and campaigning on their behalf... instead of sitting around discussing how bad Conservatives are or pretending to care with all their Woke buddies

 

[Bodi]

Bigotry is treating others as less than yourself. It is a very simple concept.

No it isn't. Bigotry is merely thinking you are better... no need to act on it to affirm it.

 

[nota bene]

I don't understand why others were not awake, and now have to proclaim they woke.

I'd like to think that they experienced an epiphany.

 

[Indydave]

I'd like to think that they experienced an epiphany.

I knew a gal named Epiphany.......she opened my eyes.....and a bunch of my friends too

 

[HikerGuy83]

Bigotry is treating others as less than yourself. It is a very simple concept.

Yes, and we see progressives practice it on a routine basis.

 

[Lisa]

Yes, and we see progressives practice it on a routine basis.

How are you not treated as equals by progressives? Are we trying to take your rights away from you?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Your understanding of what Woke means is wrong and has been wrong. Nobody else changed.

Are you saying that the woke people I see here in Portlandia not as I say?

 

[SCrider]

I have to wonder why someone would oppose being tolerant, open-minded, and pro-science.?

to own the libs.

 

[PoliSciPulse]

Racism, black on white, is rooted in hatred. That’s my point. You outlined the reasons for it, and I accept that. It’s a given, but at some point, if a black person is going to be productive, they must move on. Individually. As a mature adult. Should they get some help? Yes, and they have been for years and years. The majority of black adults have moved on and are productive. It’s the ones that refuse that are the issue. They are the hate filled

Good response.

However, I think there is a lot of stuff still out of control of both black people and white people. For example, white privilege. I'm not saying white people don't use it to get a leg up in society (they do). However, preferential treatment by others of the same race, is, to a degree, out of the hands of policy and left solely up to general psychology. For many people, it is hard to treat someone who looks different than you the same as people who look the same as you, just because of a glaring difference in appearance. Also, if one is receiving special and positive treatment, it goes against self-interest to essentially refuse to take advantage of it.

So, we can install quotas and stuff, but then the people who are just hired to fill a quota eventually let go, especially if they didn't exactly qualify as a result. It's different at a college or university than it is at a job -- a university will have no skin off their back if you graduate with a D average, for example. Try that in a job, and you're underperforming and will be let go at the earliest convenience.

There are also family dynamics -- black people are more likely to be raised by a single, working parent (usually a mother) than white people, who usually have at least one person at home. So it's hard to correct for what I would call "soft" factors, things out of the control of the situation. I would call police bias a "soft" factor to a degree using my definition -- albeit one that is harmful and can lead to the loss of life, among other situations. The police are supposed to everyone safe, but then racism and hatred gets in the way. Perhaps I am optimistic, but I believe in situations where the job requires you to be neutral, you -might- be able to keep the biases behind closed doors, even though it's still there.

It seems to me that if we really wanted to completely level the playing field in all aspects of society, humans (especially white humans) would have to deny basic psychology. That is something that I am not entirely sure if we can override. So, it is possible that black people will always be at some sort of disadvantage in some area of society, be it a slight one, or a more significant, life-threatening one.

What I stumble on is, how would one begin to override basic psychology short of an actual Soviet-style brainwashing program (which may or may not work depending on who you ask)?

 

[Luce]

No. I am pro-science, and mostly tolerant, but I reject any broad-brush label, at least in my own thoughts.