Do you believe it is good parenting to allow your under 18 kid to go to a riot with a gun?

[DarkWizard12]

if he drove himself, he committed a crime....and I believe that he probably drove himself....he was driving on a suspended license, if that is true.

I assume the prosecution knew this though, so why wasn't he charged with this?

 

[ttwtt78640]

its not about what is allowed or not allowed....he can claim it all he wants....hell they are allowing the same claim in Georgia with those three knuckleheads....does it mean that they will succeed in their claim of self defense?

I cited the Wisconsin law - what you choose to label that law does not matter.

 

[MaryP]

Yes he admitted to driving without a license. He said he drove to work and sometimes to Black's house.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[MaryP]

Well, it appears that blows the thread's premise, doesn't it?

 

[ClaraD]

indeed. Which is why Grosskreutz was shot.

except, Rittenhouse admitted to pointing his weapon at people first

“You understand that when you point your AR-15 at someone, it may make them feel like you’re going to kill them, correct?” Binger asked.

Also, he stammered, looked like he was thinking about what the right answer might be.....that isn't good when you want the jury to believe you.

There have been people that claimed self defense and were in fact, getting their ass kicked...and when they shoot to kill the person they are fighting with....they are convicted of their murder.

Jury rejects self-defense claim, convicts man of fatal shooting at Park City home

Rejecting a claim of self-defense, a jury has convicted a Midvale man of fatally shooting a Park City man inside the victim’s home during a fight last year.

www.sltrib.com

 

[SkyFox76]

It is bad parenting if the parents still think an 18 year old person needs to be told like a child what they can and cannot do.

If parents have not managed to install some ability to think through consequences to their child by the time they are 18 then they were not very good parents to start with.

This reminds me of a statement made by an old neighbor of the Rittenhouse's stating "those poor kids never stood a chance". From all of what I've seen leads me to believe their younger life was full of being evicted from their homes as court cases of W. Rittenhouse show 4 forcible entry charges which were tied to evictions. Dad has a long laundry list as well with some of those evictions being tied to the same ones as Wendy. so doesn't sound stable in the least. Add in W Rittenhouse being a single mom, Kyle himself a liar, I suspect she had no clue where he was that night.

 

[ClaraD]

I assume the prosecution knew this though, so why wasn't he charged with this?

usually, this falls under traffic laws....it would be required to be charged at the time...if he were stopped, not after the fact.

 

[Caine]

The question of a right to self defense is entirely different.

I don't even get why we are arguing this. What kind of a parent sends their kid to a riot, much less to a riot with a gun? Seriously, wtf?

Try to imagine..... If you can..... a scenario in which the parent has no awareness of the "kid" participating in a riot.

Kid: Hey mom, im going to stay with Tony for the weekend, all my school assignments are done.
Mom: Okay sweetie be safe..

Meanwhile in Shitholetown, USA : Kid shoots people who are chasing after him and screaming, "Kill him".

 

[ClaraD]

I cited the Wisconsin law - what you choose to label that law does not matter.

you didn't cite the whole thing...and you didn't cite it on purpose...

Deadly force can only be used if a person reasonably believes that such force is required to avoid death or great bodily harm. While Wisconsin doesn’t impose a duty to retreat, juries are still allowed to consider whether a defendant had an opportunity to retreat to determine whether or not it was necessary to use deadly force in self-defense.

However, if an individual provokes a confrontation, he/she has a duty to retreat. Self-defense can only be applied if he/she reasonably believes all means to escape from or otherwise avoid great bodily injury or death has been exhausted.

The Castle Doctrine is a specific self-defense rule which applies when a person is in their home, vehicle, or place of business and uses deadly force against someone who has unlawfully and forcibly entered their property or attempting to do so. The individual against whom the force was used needs to present in the owner’s dwelling, vehicle, or place of business after unlawfully and forcibly entering it.

If a person defending his/her life, home, vehicle, or place of business continues to use deadly force in self-defense well after the intruder flees the property, the Castle Doctrine will not protect the owner from criminal charges. Additionally, deadly force cannot be used against an invited guest.

Wisconsin does not have a “stand your ground” law. In states which have such laws, the right to stand your ground can apply outside a dwelling, car, and place of business. As long as the individual using deadly force in self-defense has the legal right to be in the location, didn’t provoke the confrontation, and the other party continues to be the aggressor, then the individual is allowed to use deadly force against the other party.

 

[ClaraD]

Try to imagine..... If you can..... a scenario in which the parent has no awareness of the "kid" participating in a riot.

Kid: Hey mom, im going to stay with Tony for the weekend, all my school assignments are done.
Mom: Okay sweetie be safe..

Meanwhile in Shitholetown, USA : Kid shoots people who are chasing after him and screaming, "Kill him".

actually, they shouted 'he just shot someone, get him'.....

 

[Caine]

Well, see, it's really not that simple, and that's completely different, because....just kidding, it's totally that simple. People who loot and commit arson aren't the products of good parenting. Attacking a kid that's armed with an AR-15 isn't the product of good parenting.* Allowing your 17 year old kid to go to riots isn't good parenting, and an adult putting a loaded AR-15 into a 17 year old's hands and letting him into the streets where rioting is taking place is the worst kind of bad judgment.

An opera could be written about all the bad parenting and bad judgment that made this disaster possible.


*I live by the saying that you need the right tool for the right job, and if I'm ever thrust in the position of needing to attack somebody who's armed with an AR-15, I hope to god there's a better tool at hand than a skateboard.

And I'll still argue that any number of good parenting can't prevent Near Adult age adolescents from making their own poor decisions despite what they have been taught at home.

Its like some of you forgot what its like to be a teenager and choose to make your own choices, even ones you were taught better than to do. I made poor choices as a teenager, not once did I think it was my parents fault, nor would I blame them.

The mentality that every wrong decision a teen makes is the fault of the parents is the worst form of scapegoating ever.

 

[Caine]

actually, they shouted 'he just shot someone, get him'.....

Well... according to testimony from Rittenhouse himself today, they were yelling that before he fired his first shot. I think I'm going to go with that.

 

[SkyFox76]

A law abiding and patriotic citizen like the mother of Kyle would. And I asked you in another post: what do you think is a riot? A riot is a small scale war within one's own borders. War is just a much bigger riot. And parents throughout history have sent kids younger than Kyle to fight wars.

W Rittenhouse has her own list of dealings with the courts. And maybe you missed the fact the law abiding citizen actually suggested to her son that he could run off into hiding when she heard what happened that night.

 

[Caine]

Kyle had no business there. Period. Whether or not trouble existed there is 100% irrelevant. He's not law enforcement, he doesn't own the property, and he didn't live there. His mere presence created a situation that caused the loss of life.

I like how you seem to ignore the fact that his presence there was a reaction to someone else's presence there that wasn't necessary, and was lawless, destructive, violent, and criminal. But hey, lets keep pretending that rioters have a right to act out when they react emotionally to a perfectly legitimate police use of force action.

 

[Bullseye]

So you would drive your son to a riot, but you would want him to be armed??? What parent lets their kid go to a riot?

You understand the meaning of (sarcasm alert))?

 

[Eriech]

What a stupid comparison.

Luckily kids in America are raised to help right the wrongs in the world. I thought you people were all about good intentions. The kid used poor judgement but his intent was good. The people running the cities that allowed rampant destruction and rioting should be on trial.

 

[DarkWizard12]

except, Rittenhouse admitted to pointing his weapon at people first

they were charging him. What's he supposed to do to ward them off? Just start shooting?

“You understand that when you point your AR-15 at someone, it may make them feel like you’re going to kill them, correct?” Binger asked.

Also, he stammered, looked like he was thinking about what the right answer might be.....that isn't good when you want the jury to believe you.

There have been people that claimed self defense and were in fact, getting their ass kicked...and when they shoot to kill the person they are fighting with....they are convicted of their murder.

Jury rejects self-defense claim, convicts man of fatal shooting at Park City home

Rejecting a claim of self-defense, a jury has convicted a Midvale man of fatally shooting a Park City man inside the victim’s home during a fight last year.

www.sltrib.com

That doesn't really do anything on Kyle's case. That just means they had a reason to think he may shoot someone. At the end of the day, they chased down someone who was fleeing who was armed with an AR-15. That's not just a clear case of self defense, for kyle, but a clear case of a darwin award.

 

[SkyFox76]

My son is not 17.

I've said more than once that it was a mistake for a 17 year old to be in that situation.

Do you agree that since he was a child, he should not be tried as an adult?

Deferred adjudication as a juvenile on the one charge he is guilty of, whatever they call minor in possession of a weapon. Provide that law exists in Wisconsin and he actually violated it.

IMO he was very much a child which is why he was oblivious to the fact that by taking that AR-15 (and heading into that violent situation) that if something happened, he could very well be tried as an adult. He wanted to go play with the big dogs while still being a little dog. And now he's getting a big wake up call what his poor decisions created.

 

[Rumpelstil]

I think what is ridiculous is that I guarantee you that many posters on here will treat this as though it is a loaded question.

Isn't it loaded ...... ?

 

[SkyFox76]

Try to imagine..... If you can..... a scenario in which the parent has no awareness of the "kid" participating in a riot.

Kid: Hey mom, im going to stay with Tony for the weekend, all my school assignments are done.
Mom: Okay sweetie be safe..

Meanwhile in Shitholetown, USA : Kid shoots people who are chasing after him and screaming, "Kill him".

I agree he likely lied on his intentions, but being as he was a highschool drop out he might just say he'd cleaned the bathroom.

 

[Caine]

I agree he likely lied on his intentions, but being as he was a highschool drop out he might just say he'd cleaned the bathroom.

While I admit I was in and out of the truck today and in the office so I didn't hear everything, I'm pretty sure Kyle testified he attended an online school. That doesn't necessarily mean he was a drop out. Then again, they may have gotten further in that line of questioning and determined he didn't graduate and wasn't going anymore.

 

[Citizen]

There is a difference between going and being in a riot versus going to protect and help out people in a riot being victimized by rioters. If my 17 year old kid was going to a riot to help people from being victimized by rioters, I would want my kid armed - and very visibly armed if legal. I would not allow my 17 year old to go to a riot for any reason nor to illegally carry a firearm not wanting my kid arrested, convicted, do jail time and have a criminal record.

That said, I've seen nothing of the parents authorizing their kid to go to a riot and be carrying a rifle.

Your 17 year old should not be going to a riot. Riots are dangerous

 

[SkyFox76]

While I admit I was in and out of the truck today and in the office so I didn't hear everything, I'm pretty sure Kyle testified he attended an online school. That doesn't necessarily mean he was a drop out. Then again, they may have gotten further in that line of questioning and determined he didn't graduate and wasn't going anymore.

No, it was stated early on he was a high school drop out, the school he had been attending had confirmed it. I'm sure there was a huge push by the attorneys that he finish high school by the time the trial started.

(here's a bit about it)

Rittenhouse dropped out of Lakes Community High School in Lake Villa. Antioch-Lakes Community High School District 117 Superintendent Jim McKay confirmed that Rittenhouse attended one semester as a freshman during the 2017-18 school year, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

 

[seymourflops]

IMO he was very much a child which is why he was oblivious to the fact that by taking that AR-15 (and heading into that violent situation) that if something happened, he could very well be tried as an adult. He wanted to go play with the big dogs while still being a little dog. And now he's getting a big wake up call what his poor decisions created.

There were plenty of poor decisions to go around that night.

What penalty do you advocate for Grosskreutz who the not exactly right wing Chicago Tribune said:

KENOSHA — The only man to survive being shot by Kyle Rittenhouse acknowledged Monday he had unholstered his gun and pointed it in the teen’s direction when Rittenhouse fired a single bullet into the man’s bicep.

He was a felon, forbidden by law to have a firearm. Is his case on hold, pending him giving the testimony as directed by the willing-to-witness-tamper prosecution team?

As far as Rosenbaum, he was a mentally ill child rapist who had attempted suicide recently enough that he was carrying his possessions in a bag from the hospital. Threatening to kill, and then chasing, a person armed with an AR15, was his final, and finally successful, suicide attempt.

 

[SkyFox76]

There were plenty of poor decisions to go around that night.

What penalty do you advocate for Grosskreutz who the not exactly right wing Chicago Tribune said:

KENOSHA — The only man to survive being shot by Kyle Rittenhouse acknowledged Monday he had unholstered his gun and pointed it in the teen’s direction when Rittenhouse fired a single bullet into the man’s bicep.

He was a felon, forbidden by law to have a firearm. Is his case on hold, pending him giving the testimony as directed by the willing-to-witness-tamper prosecution team?

As far as Rosenbaum, he was a mentally ill child rapist who had attempted suicide recently enough that he was carrying his possessions in a bag from the hospital. Threatening to kill, and then chasing, a person armed with an AR15, was his final, and finally successful, suicide attempt.

This whole Felon with a gun was beat to death early on. Did the defense bring it up while he was testifying?