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do you agree with Bill Clinton ?

is he right? we need millions pouring into the USA to grow our population ?


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“We’ve got the lowest birth rate we have had in well over a hundred years,” Clinton told voters in Georgia. With the Harris-Walz logo right over his shoulder and while discussing immigration reform, he added, “We are not at replacement level, which means we have got to have somebody come here if we want to grow the economy.”

is he right? we need millions pouring into the USA to grow our population ?
How many of those people who are illegal immigrants are actually working and helping "grow the economy". I suspect that a large majority are just living off the government. Which means they are a DRAIN on the economy.
 
How many of those people who are illegal immigrants are actually working and helping "grow the economy". I suspect that a large majority are just living off the government. Which means they are a DRAIN on the economy.

doesn't matter - illegally here is illegal

deport them all as far as I'm concerned ..... but at the VERY least ?

I agree with Hillary

CLINTON: “So, I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked, they’re gone. If they — (applause) — if they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line. (cheers and applause)”

OBAMA
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

BILL CLINTON

"All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country," .........: "The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens."
 
What has happened to the Democrat party? Clinton/Obama/Hillary all were very strict on immigration policy

IMO they realized they could tap into millions and millions of votes - money/power
 
1) it's true that without immigrants we'd have a falling population.

2) falling population or not, all borders should be abolished.

3) the last people to cry about immigration is anyone who was handed citizenship at birth, any colonizer, or anyone supporting neoliberal/neoconservative foreign policies of the last 70 years.
 
Factually, I believe he’s correct. Immigration is good and necessary for the country, provided it’s done legally.

^ This.
 
How many of those people who are illegal immigrants are actually working and helping "grow the economy". I suspect that a large majority are just living off the government. Which means they are a DRAIN on the economy.
Probably at slave labor wages.

1860s, the democrats... But who will pick our crops is we end slavery...

2000's, the democrats... But who will pick our crops is we end illegal immigration...

Nothing has change. Just the label...
 
Probably at slave labor wages.

1860s, the democrats... But who will pick our crops is we end slavery...

2000's, the democrats... But who will pick our crops is we end illegal immigration...

Nothing has change. Just the label...

I've called it economic slavery for some time

get these unskilled, uneducated , non-English speaking people over here illegally and have them illegally working for cheap wages .... and you can exploit them bigly

Democrats know this - they LOVE IT, they WANT IT

I posted 3 quotes by Bill Clinton, Obama and Hillary ....... tough talk on illegals coming here. Amazing now how Democrat Party has changed their tune isn't it?
 
I've called it economic slavery for some time

get these unskilled, uneducated , non-English speaking people over here illegally and have them illegally working for cheap wages .... and you can exploit them bigly

Democrats know this - they LOVE IT, they WANT IT

I posted 3 quotes by Bill Clinton, Obama and Hillary ....... tough talk on illegals coming here. Amazing now how Democrat Party has changed their tune isn't it?
Yep.

They never parted with the idea of slavery. Economic slavery is not much different that real slavery. They lie to the black community keeping them down, making them believe we are holding them down, just to stay in power with votes. They create race wars for their own political benefit, when THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS.
 
Yep.

They never parted with the idea of slavery. Economic slavery is not much different that real slavery. They lie to the black community keeping them down, making them believe we are holding them down, just to stay in power with votes. They create race wars for their own political benefit, when THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS.

and in 2024 the Democrat Party lost a whole bunch of black/latino votes ... the lies in todays world don't stick like they used to
 
and in 2024 the Democrat Party lost a whole bunch of black/latino votes ... the lies in todays world don't stick like they used to
I don't think they ever had a secure hold on the legal immigrants. The blacks are a different issue, and they are realizing the same rhetoric is a lie. Finally.
 
“We’ve got the lowest birth rate we have had in well over a hundred years,” Clinton told voters in Georgia. With the Harris-Walz logo right over his shoulder and while discussing immigration reform, he added, “We are not at replacement level, which means we have got to have somebody come here if we want to grow the economy.”

is he right? we need millions pouring into the USA to grow our population ?
He has a point. It's not the only way to deal with a low birth rate, but a low birth rate does create economic problems that need to be addressed. A population of young workers paying into social security keeps us from having to either raise taxes, cut Social Security or go deeper into debt.
 
Yep.

They never parted with the idea of slavery. Economic slavery is not much different that real slavery.
That much, I think we might agree on in the abstract sense.
They lie to the black community keeping them down, making them believe we are holding them down, just to stay in power with votes. They create race wars for their own political benefit, when THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS.
How are Democrats keeping the black community down?

They create race wars for their own political benefit, when THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS.
I don't see any "race wars". Charles Manson tried his best to start a "race war" but I don't think it worked out for him.

What are you talking about when you mention "race wars"? DEI hiring?
 
He has a point. It's not the only way to deal with a low birth rate, but a low birth rate does create economic problems that need to be addressed. A population of young workers paying into social security keeps us from having to either raise taxes, cut Social Security or go deeper into debt.

liberals/Democrats cannot admit RFK has excellent points

its hurts them to see Trump building such an incredible supporting cast ... they know he's for real and stuff IS going to get done
 
How are Democrats keeping the black community down?
By mading them empty promises instead of promoting self help.
I don't see any "race wars".
Then why are they always accusing innocent people of being racists? Why are they always trying to attach fringe elements to politicians?

They make too many things about race. See my signature.
Charles Manson tried his best to start a "race war" but I don't think it worked out for him.
Then why don't the democrats just treat blacks and whites as equals? Stop taking about race?
What are you talking about when you mention "race wars"? DEI hiring?
No. Democrats think then minorities are not as good as other people. This is obvious because they think they need special help written in law.

The true definition is of racism thinking another race is inferior, and that is how they treat blacks all the time.
 
What's he running for?

I might be interested in his diet if I ever have heart problems.
 
By mading them empty promises instead of promoting self help.
So you think black people need someone to promote self help to them because otherwise they don't know how to help themselves?
Then why are they always accusing innocent people of being racists?
If you are talking about the Democrats as a party with a platform and their representatives, I don't think calling individual people racists happens very much.

Even so, calling someone a racist wouldn't constitute a "race war" in any rational sense. You're hardly doing your part to lower the temperature. In fact, you're making extreme characterizations that inflame division.
Why are they always trying to attach fringe elements to politicians?
Why are these fringe elements always trying to attach themselves to Trump et. al? Once again, even if Democrats were making unfounded associations about politicians, "race war" is a ridiculous, hyperbolic phrase and it looks like you're using it to inspire hatred for Democrats and make white people as whole feel attacked. As if attacking Donald Trump would somehow be an attack on white people, for example.

Then why don't the democrats just treat blacks and whites as equals? Stop taking about race?
I'm not sure what you mean about equality. Feel free to expand on that.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure you can talk about racism without talking about race. As long as there is racism, we should probably be talking about race.
No. Democrats think then minorities are not as good as other people. This is obvious because they think they need special help written in law.

The true definition is of racism thinking another race is inferior, and that is how they treat blacks all the time.
If you think that Democrats offering minorities "special help" is "keeping them down" then I think you are the one implying that they are inferior. Because apparently, you think racism isn't an obstacle for them and on top of that they are getting "special help". Yet somehow they can't seem to enjoy the same prosperity and health as whites. Care to tell me why that is?
 
liberals/Democrats cannot admit RFK has excellent points

its hurts them to see Trump building such an incredible supporting cast ... they know he's for real and stuff IS going to get done
I guess sucking up to Trump apparently has a way of making people very qualified for doing things they have no business doing.
 
So you think black people need someone to promote self help to them because otherwise they don't know how to help themselves?
In some cases yes. The generational old problem is the left telling the blacks that whites are holding them down. When enough people believe this, they stop striving to achieve. This myth needs to be dismissed and people reminded they need to strive to better themselves, even against bad odds.
Even so, calling someone a racist wouldn't constitute a "race war" in any rational sense.
Isn't just the allegation of racism, a verbal race war?
You're hardly doing your part to lower the temperature. In fact, you're making extreme characterizations that inflame division.
By pointing out how racist the left is? They need to reflect on what they say.
Why are these fringe elements always trying to attach themselves to Trump et. al?
It does not mater that they like him. Making an issue of it is stupid. Do you expect them to support Harris?
Once again, even if Democrats were making unfounded associations about politicians, "race war" is a ridiculous, hyperbolic phrase and it looks like you're using it to inspire hatred for Democrats and make white people as whole feel attacked. As if attacking Donald Trump would somehow be an attack on white people, for example.
A war of words.
I'm not sure what you mean about equality. Feel free to expand on that.
Why do special rights laws need to be in place? Democrats push such things proving they do not believe the races are equal.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure you can talk about racism without talking about race. As long as there is racism, we should probably be talking about race.
Fine, when true incidents of racism occur, talk about it. But there are too many fabricated cases. Stop with the lies, and be respected. Nobody like hearing about fake incidences.
If you think that Democrats offering minorities "special help" is "keeping them down" then I think you are the one implying that they are inferior.
Wrong. I believe they are equal and need no help just because their skin color is different than mine.
Because apparently, you think racism isn't an obstacle for them and on top of that they are getting "special help".
Except for exceptionally rare instances, racism is dead. Except for the zombies that the democrats continue to resurrect. Don't you see? Black people are starting to seer their race is not holding them back. That is is all a big lie from the left.
Yet somehow they can't seem to enjoy the same prosperity and health as whites. Care to tell me why that is?
You cannot have a large segment of generational poor black people immediately increase their living standards ro the average white person. the point is that they have the opportunity to better themselves, just like anyone else does.
 
In some cases yes. The generational old problem is the left telling the blacks that whites are holding them down. When enough people believe this, they stop striving to achieve. This myth needs to be dismissed and people reminded they need to strive to better themselves, even against bad odds.
Yet you have some special property that allows you to see through this charade for them, right? So basically black people don't try very hard because they're easily fooled? That sounds a lot like you're calling them lazy and dumb.
Isn't just the allegation of racism, a verbal race war?
No. And I think you'll find that most allegations of racism come from the victims, not from Democratic talking points.
By pointing out how racist the left is? They need to reflect on what they say.
Ok, so by your logic, if you are wrong about the Democrats being racist, then in fact, you would become a racist just by trying to point it out?
Wrong. I believe they are equal and need no help just because their skin color is different than mine.
Except for exceptionally rare instances, racism is dead. Except for the zombies that the democrats continue to resurrect. Don't you see? Black people are starting to seer their race is not holding them back. That is is all a big lie from the left.
So when did this post racial generation start and when did America get cured of racism? How long do you think black people have been fooled by Democrats into being lazy and not trying?
 
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