Do you actually care about the Epstein files?

[What if...?]

That is solid reasoning. If there were prominent Republicans on the list, it's hard to believe that would have been kept quiet while the DOJ was being run by a Democratic administration. The reverse is also true under Trump.

The only possible hitch is that there are prominent members of both parties on that list and they've cut a deal, but the longer we go without leaking the list the less likely that it is. Someone in possession of a copy of that list with no strong allegiance to either party would be sitting on a gold mine. Hard to believe someone wouldn't cash in on that opportunity.

There could be bodies we don’t know about.

Seriously.

 

[dmpi]

The victims deserve justice no matter what these findings reveal. We need to quit the theatrics and settle this once and for all.

Maybe the victims have already received sizable settlements through civil actions. Whats become of Epstein's sizable assets? You don't hear about that.

 

[molten_dragon]

I don't care because I don't think they'd tell me anything I don't already know. A bunch of billionaires and politicians had sex with underage teenage girls? Nothing about that surprises me.

 

[molten_dragon]

That is solid reasoning. If there were prominent Republicans on the list, it's hard to believe that would have been kept quiet while the DOJ was being run by a Democratic administration. The reverse is also true under Trump.

The only possible hitch is that there are prominent members of both parties on that list and they've cut a deal, but the longer we go without leaking the list the less likely that it is. Someone in possession of a copy of that list with no strong allegiance to either party would be sitting on a gold mine. Hard to believe someone wouldn't cash in on that opportunity.

After what happened to Epstein you have to figure anyone thinking of leaking it has to be considering their own well-being as a factor too. That probably discourages at least some potential leakers.

 

[NatMorton]

There could be bodies we don’t know about.

Seriously.

I don't rule it out considering the stakes involved.

 

[NatMorton]

After what happened to Epstein you have to figure anyone thinking of leaking it has to be considering their own well-being as a factor too. That probably discourages at least some potential leakers.

A fair point, but were I known to have that list in my possession, I think I'd be at greater risk before releasing it than after.

 

[Binary_Digit]

I care about the files because the sleazy do-nothing DoJ has failed everyone on this issue (especially the victims) for going on six years now.

If the DoJ can't be bothered to do their damn job and bring all these chomos to justice, then overwhelming public pressure is needed. That happens with the release of names and specifics.

It shouldn't have to be that way. But when the executive branch actively refuses to enforce the law, especially on the matter of heinous sexual crimes committed against children, something unorthodox is very much called for.

 

[jaypatriot]

Count me as one of those who has never cared about the Epstein files and still doesn't. If there was anything in there that could have been used for political purposes it would have come out a long, long time ago. At this point it is all stupid conspiracy/partisan nonsense.

It is amazing there is a sizable segment of the population that is anxiously awaiting news there is a salacious Trump connection to Epstein and his so-called list of visitors to his island. It's like horny (unimportant) men going to a local "titty" bar hoping to find some recognizable member of the community in order to get dirt on that person for future gossip.
Much ado about nothing.

One poster suggested not voting for a politician known to have visited Epstein's island and/or not buying the products of some capitalist who was identified as someone who was there. That's like noticing someone at a museum admiring paintings of nudes by Peter Paul Rubens and then declaring him a sex hound eligible for ridicule in the community.

 

[StillBallin75]

Epstein and the corruption and sex trafficking that that he engaged in are probably some of the most despicable acts known to mankind, and the fact that he was involved with so many powerful people to include foreign leaders and quite probably foreign intelligence agencies should be concerning to any citizen. Nobody who was involved with him should be let anywhere near the levers of power in government.

 

[jaypatriot]

Epstein and the corruption and sex trafficking that that he engaged in are probably some of the most despicable acts known to mankind, and the fact that he was involved with so many powerful people to include foreign leaders and quite probably foreign intelligence agencies should be concerning to any citizen. Nobody who was involved with him should be let anywhere near the levers of power in government.

You wrote: "Nobody who was involved with him should be let anywhere near the levers of power in government."
Does that mean everyone is guilty by association and should be punished without due process?

 

[Hip octogenarian]

Count me as one of those who has never cared about the Epstein files and still doesn't. If there was anything in there that could have been used for political purposes it would have come out a long, long time ago. At this point it is all stupid conspiracy/partisan nonsense.

If that's true, wouldn't Trump be happy to release them?

 

[jaypatriot]

If that's true, wouldn't Trump be happy to release them?

He said: "Trump says Bondi should release 'whatever she thinks is credible' on Epstein "Let them have it,".

What do you make of that statement? Does he mean it?

Trump says Bondi should release 'whatever she thinks is credible' on Epstein

President Donald Trump says Attorney General Pam Bondi should release "whatever she thinks is credible" on Jeffrey Epstein.

abcnews.go.com

 

[NuffSaid]

The victims deserve justice no matter what these findings reveal. We need to quit the theatrics and settle this once and for all.

Agree 1000%.
Its time that these elite and powerful are brought down to the same level as average citizens.
I cannot imagine a scenario where a middle aged man in little town America finds someone who provides him with a 13 yr old to engage in sexual activities that isn't arrested and jailed.
In elite powerful America - those precious powerful need to be protected. Never will they face their consequences.

 

[Felis Leo]

Count me as one of those who has never cared about the Epstein files and still doesn't. If there was anything in there that could have been used for political purposes it would have come out a long, long time ago. At this point it is all stupid conspiracy/partisan nonsense.

Other. If there are powerful and wealthy people having sex with children or consuming child pornography walking free in our society, I certainly want to know about them so we can punish them.

 

[Felis Leo]

I don't care because I don't think they'd tell me anything I don't already know. A bunch of billionaires and politicians had sex with underage teenage girls? Nothing about that surprises me.

That is certainly the saddest thing I have read all morning. Would you care if one of the 1,000+ trafficked girls was your own daughter or granddaughter? Or would you just sadly shrug like some Russian peasant in 1800 whose children all died from disease brought on by malnutrition and say "What can be done?"

 

[antiquity]

That is solid reasoning. If there were prominent Republicans on the list, it's hard to believe that would have been kept quiet while the DOJ was being run by a Democratic administration. The reverse is also true under Trump.

The only possible hitch is that there are prominent members of both parties on that list and they've cut a deal, but the longer we go without leaking the list the less likely that it is. Someone in possession of a copy of that list with no strong allegiance to either party would be sitting on a gold mine. Hard to believe someone wouldn't cash in on that opportunity.

Neither DOJ in the Biden or Trump administration wants the Epstein file released..why because there maybe names in the files that that would embarrass both parties. And since Epstein was a democrat and had a lot of democrat friends...well, we know Bill Clinton along with the shakers of the democrat party were very tight with Epstein. So I think democrats have more at stake with the any release.

 

[antiquity]

That is certainly the saddest thing I have read all morning. Would you care if one of the 1,000+ trafficked girls was your own daughter or granddaughter? Or would you just sadly shrug like some Russian peasant in 1800 whose children all died from disease brought on by malnutrition and say "What can be done?"

FYI there are thousands of under age girls who sell their bodies for varies reasons...bad home life, drugs or just for the money.

 

[Felis Leo]

FYI there are thousands of under age girls who sell their bodies for varies reasons...bad home life, drugs or just for the money.

I am aware of that. But of what relevance is that? The men who take advantage of those financially desperate/emotionally damaged under-aged girls are punished mercilessly. As they should be. Any well-connected, wealthy, powerful, pedophile associates of Epstein's who had sex with the young girls Epstein procured for them should face the same punishment we visit on the unassuming working-class and middle-class pedophiles. I do not care about their political party.

Whether they are Republican or Democrats, or an even split, or 1/3rd one way, 2/3rd another...does not matter to me. Arrest them all. Try them all. Imprison them all until the end of time. Seize and liquidate their property and divide it among their victims.

 

[Perotista]

Count me as one of those who has never cared about the Epstein files and still doesn't. If there was anything in there that could have been used for political purposes it would have come out a long, long time ago. At this point it is all stupid conspiracy/partisan nonsense.

I totally agree.

 

[antiquity]

I am aware of that. But of what relevance is that? The men who take advantage of those financially desperate/emotionally damaged under-aged girls are punished mercilessly. As they should be. Any well-connected, wealthy, powerful, pedophile associates of Epstein's who had sex with the young girls Epstein procured for them should face the same punishment we visit on the unassuming working-class and middle-class pedophiles. I do not care about their political party.

Whether they are Republican or Democrats, or an even split, or 1/3rd one way, 2/3rd another...does not matter to me. Arrest them all. Try them all. Imprison them all until the end of time. Seize and liquidate their property and divide it among their victims.

Epstein is dead so kicking a dead pedophile is rather over kill.

 

[StillBallin75]

You wrote: "Nobody who was involved with him should be let anywhere near the levers of power in government."
Does that mean everyone is guilty by association and should be punished without due process?

Nobody is entitled to a government job, not being allowed to have one is not punishment.

If these people had to adhere to the same standards as any GS employee, going through the same background checks for clearances, a lot of them would fail to get any job or already be in jail, but different rules for the powerful as always.

Meanwhile the civil servants who did everything right are the same folks these billionaire assholes are punishing.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I care not because of who may get damaged over it,

I care because the people on the list should be damaged over it.

The rich and famous should not get a pass on sex crimes that regular people could have lives ruined over.

I don't care if Trump or Clinton or Bill Gates etc are on or off the list, those that are should be investigated and tried like anyone else engaged with underage prostitution.

 

[reinaert]

Like, that rich dudes use their power and wealth to traffic in children? Yeah, of course. This specific iteration is a product of the eyeballs cycle all the same.

 

[Felis Leo]

Epstein is dead so kicking a dead pedophile is rather over kill.

Did you even read what I wrote? Did you mean to answer someone else, antiquity? Your statement is completely non-responsive to mine.

I am taking about going after still-living, breathing pedophiles who had sex with the girls Epstein trafficked. If there is evidence of such activity, would you be against such prosecution?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I am convinced the files contain nothing that would serve the publics interest to know. Of course they contain all types of nasty information, victim statements and names and no doubt the names of many people who were in Epsteins circle but were not guilty of crimes or there wasn't enough information to bring charges. In any case information that is uncovered during a DOJ investigation does not belong in the public domain , unless it's in a court , just to satisfy public curiosity.

The Maga universe made up a ridiculous conspiracy theory and now they are stuck with no there , there and it looks good on them. Conspiracy theories are insidious and dangerous things , I hope this information is withheld and I hope it burns them big time.

Epstein got off on his first trail because of corruption in the justice system. The client list was suppressed not because they did nothing wrong but because it would hurt very powerful interests in DC and probable financial world's.

Heck two prominent Canadian billionaires got away with sex crimes for decades that was known by the police and prosecutors who turned a blind eye to it all