Hypersonic
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This is an honest question because as a person who frequently dates all types of women, and if I can take a page out of the movie "The Last Samurai" I am beset by the ironies of my life (when it comes to dealing with women and their preferences). When referring top preferences and the subject at hand I am referring mostly to women preferring men being taller. Because I'm so curious about this preference I tend to ask female co-workers of mine along with female strangers from school (also women I intend to date) as to why they prefer a taller man. Majority of their opinions did reference wearing high heels and not wanting to be taller than the man. Some highlight the idea that a taller man makes them secure in the event of an ensuing confrontation.
Knowing this, I recall a study I did in undergrad regarding the biopsychological effect of female mate selection between symmetrical and asymmetrical faces. In that study most female participants chose asymmetrical faces (squared jaw etc) as opposed to symmetrical faces (oval face) as the former is likely to pass on the best genes. Now of course the study I did was looking at early human selection. However if you look at contemporary trends of common female mate selection, you can see the choice of the "bad boy" (of course this projected image is due to media influence) along with the height preference one could make a strong argument that the patriarchal system in which we live in has indeed influenced a lot of female mate choices.
The idea of height being associated with the ability to protect, while being short, reflects an inability to protect reflects upon a social influence indicative of what is considered an Alpha and Beta male. Now what I mean by "women buying into their inferiority" I'm referring to the idea of the preference (or need) of a tall male for protection. As we all know or should know, being tall does not guarantee that a male is a suitable protector or even a suitable mate. However, it seems for those women who want a man to be tall the idea of a "protector" seems to be a common theme among these types of women.
As I recall one female who was my height in her heels (I'm 6'0) she called me short because she was my height, but of course when she took her heels off she is looking up at me. This is one paradox I don't understand regarding the female sex. On one hand there are progressive women who are independent and want society to accept them as autonomous beings who can fend for themselves but on the other hand these same individuals have preferences for taller men because of the "protective factor."
I hope some women can shed light on this complex issue for me---Yes I understand we all have preferences but if you can see my point it's quite complex to me because the idea of a women desiring someone to be tall for protection while claiming independence means in that one aspect of what they want for themselves seems like they acknowledge an impotence within themselves.
Why would you assume that women possess any degree of control over the kinds of men that they are attracted to in the first place? For the vast majority of human beings, sexual attraction is a matter of ingrained nature, not personal choice. It is a judgment made at the innate and instinctual, rather than conscious, level.
In short, the female gender has spent the last several million years deliberately selecting mates based upon physical criteria which qualify men as being better "protectors" and providers (height, strength, aggression, social intelligence, etca), and so that is what they continue to look for today. It's simply how they're wired.
It's the same reason why men tend to favor women who show obvious physical signs of health and fertility (i.e. wide hips, ample buttocks, large breasts, strong legs, thick shiny hair, etca). The selection of such traits have traditionally best served to ensure the survival of the human species, so that is what evolutionary instinct has honed us to look for in the opposite sex.
What you've stumbled upon here is nothing less than a fundamental truth of human nature; namely that the sexes have evolved to serve certain roles, and that this is reflected in their breeding habits. Our natural instincts are still keenly aware of this fact even if society at large is not.
Frankly, this is a truth so plainly self-evident that it strikes me as being more than a little silly that you'd even need to ask about it.
My wife is taller than I am and she prefers taller men.
This is an honest question because as a person who frequently dates all types of women, and if I can take a page out of the movie "The Last Samurai" I am beset by the ironies of my life (when it comes to dealing with women and their preferences). When referring top preferences and the subject at hand I am referring mostly to women preferring men being taller. Because I'm so curious about this preference I tend to ask female co-workers of mine along with female strangers from school (also women I intend to date) as to why they prefer a taller man. Majority of their opinions did reference wearing high heels and not wanting to be taller than the man. Some highlight the idea that a taller man makes them secure in the event of an ensuing confrontation.
Knowing this, I recall a study I did in undergrad regarding the biopsychological effect of female mate selection between symmetrical and asymmetrical faces. In that study most female participants chose asymmetrical faces (squared jaw etc) as opposed to symmetrical faces (oval face) as the former is likely to pass on the best genes. Now of course the study I did was looking at early human selection. However if you look at contemporary trends of common female mate selection, you can see the choice of the "bad boy" (of course this projected image is due to media influence) along with the height preference one could make a strong argument that the patriarchal system in which we live in has indeed influenced a lot of female mate choices.
The idea of height being associated with the ability to protect, while being short, reflects an inability to protect reflects upon a social influence indicative of what is considered an Alpha and Beta male. Now what I mean by "women buying into their inferiority" I'm referring to the idea of the preference (or need) of a tall male for protection. As we all know or should know, being tall does not guarantee that a male is a suitable protector or even a suitable mate. However, it seems for those women who want a man to be tall the idea of a "protector" seems to be a common theme among these types of women.
As I recall one female who was my height in her heels (I'm 6'0) she called me short because she was my height, but of course when she took her heels off she is looking up at me. This is one paradox I don't understand regarding the female sex. On one hand there are progressive women who are independent and want society to accept them as autonomous beings who can fend for themselves but on the other hand these same individuals have preferences for taller men because of the "protective factor."
I hope some women can shed light on this complex issue for me---Yes I understand we all have preferences but if you can see my point it's quite complex to me because the idea of a women desiring someone to be tall for protection while claiming independence means in that one aspect of what they want for themselves seems like they acknowledge an impotence within themselves.
I disagree. According to my study I did in undergrad my study does agree with you, but I believe we as people assert some control over mate choice. For instance if a single person works in a hospital for a certain period of time, they are more likely to date someone who works in a hospital or within proximity to that facility. Proximity is a factor. Sure, people like what they like, but not all men like a curvaceous woman as you mention one who has the physical traits of fertility. Some men prefer women who are very thin with small breasts. My point is choices are not always as cut and dry however I am mostly referring to the idea of the correlation between protector and a man's height and whether self-ascribed independent women depend on a man as protector based on the height factor.
But maybe you should also ask 'why do men prefer women who are shorter'.
People are for the most part ,emotionally stupid. This may sound sexist, but women are more emotionally stupid than men on average.
Though you can't go wrong with being tall, fit, handsome and rich, it doesn't guarantee that she will love you, just increases the odds of her sleeping with you.
This is an honest question because as a person who frequently dates all types of women, and if I can take a page out of the movie "The Last Samurai" I am beset by the ironies of my life (when it comes to dealing with women and their preferences). When referring top preferences and the subject at hand I am referring mostly to women preferring men being taller. Because I'm so curious about this preference I tend to ask female co-workers of mine along with female strangers from school (also women I intend to date) as to why they prefer a taller man. Majority of their opinions did reference wearing high heels and not wanting to be taller than the man. Some highlight the idea that a taller man makes them secure in the event of an ensuing confrontation.
Knowing this, I recall a study I did in undergrad regarding the biopsychological effect of female mate selection between symmetrical and asymmetrical faces. In that study most female participants chose asymmetrical faces (squared jaw etc) as opposed to symmetrical faces (oval face) as the former is likely to pass on the best genes. Now of course the study I did was looking at early human selection. However if you look at contemporary trends of common female mate selection, you can see the choice of the "bad boy" (of course this projected image is due to media influence) along with the height preference one could make a strong argument that the patriarchal system in which we live in has indeed influenced a lot of female mate choices.
The idea of height being associated with the ability to protect, while being short, reflects an inability to protect reflects upon a social influence indicative of what is considered an Alpha and Beta male. Now what I mean by "women buying into their inferiority" I'm referring to the idea of the preference (or need) of a tall male for protection. As we all know or should know, being tall does not guarantee that a male is a suitable protector or even a suitable mate. However, it seems for those women who want a man to be tall the idea of a "protector" seems to be a common theme among these types of women.
As I recall one female who was my height in her heels (I'm 6'0) she called me short because she was my height, but of course when she took her heels off she is looking up at me. This is one paradox I don't understand regarding the female sex. On one hand there are progressive women who are independent and want society to accept them as autonomous beings who can fend for themselves but on the other hand these same individuals have preferences for taller men because of the "protective factor."
I hope some women can shed light on this complex issue for me---Yes I understand we all have preferences but if you can see my point it's quite complex to me because the idea of a women desiring someone to be tall for protection while claiming independence means in that one aspect of what they want for themselves seems like they acknowledge an impotence within themselves.
We exert some degree of control over mate selection, surely. However, such control tends to be limited to the more superficial aspects of the aspects of the process, like where a person works, what their background happens to be, and minor physical details like eye, hair, and skin color.
This also doesn't change much of anything where the broad sexual archetypes most people tend to go after are concerned (i.e. 'tall dark and handsome,' 'petite,' voluptuous,' 'athletic,' etca), or in matters of general fertility.
For instance, while I could more or less take my pick among any of the women pictured here...
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...There's really nothing that's going to make the woman shown below seem any more attractive to me.
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Not to be mean, but basically everything about her is screaming to my animal instincts "bad genes, stay away!"
I think it is much the same with women. While the specific combinations of traits they go after may differ, the archetypes these traits represent, and the end goal they work towards, pretty much always remain the same.
Women are simply naturally wired to want strong, confident men who will be able to protect and provide for them.
Sexual dimorphism would be my guess. Physical size is a secondary characteristic, and so we tend to naturally go after members of the opposite sex who exhibit more extreme forms of it.
Being taller is associated with masculinity, whereas shorter stature is associated with femininity. Members of either sex who exhibit these traits are more attractive to the opposite sex, and so they are more likely to have children who pass those genes on to the next generation.
Women evolving to be shorter and heavier, says research
This is an honest question because as a person who frequently dates all types of women, and if I can take a page out of the movie "The Last Samurai" I am beset by the ironies of my life (when it comes to dealing with women and their preferences). When referring top preferences and the subject at hand I am referring mostly to women preferring men being taller. Because I'm so curious about this preference I tend to ask female co-workers of mine along with female strangers from school (also women I intend to date) as to why they prefer a taller man. Majority of their opinions did reference wearing high heels and not wanting to be taller than the man. Some highlight the idea that a taller man makes them secure in the event of an ensuing confrontation.
Knowing this, I recall a study I did in undergrad regarding the biopsychological effect of female mate selection between symmetrical and asymmetrical faces. In that study most female participants chose asymmetrical faces (squared jaw etc) as opposed to symmetrical faces (oval face) as the former is likely to pass on the best genes. Now of course the study I did was looking at early human selection. However if you look at contemporary trends of common female mate selection, you can see the choice of the "bad boy" (of course this projected image is due to media influence) along with the height preference one could make a strong argument that the patriarchal system in which we live in has indeed influenced a lot of female mate choices.
The idea of height being associated with the ability to protect, while being short, reflects an inability to protect reflects upon a social influence indicative of what is considered an Alpha and Beta male. Now what I mean by "women buying into their inferiority" I'm referring to the idea of the preference (or need) of a tall male for protection. As we all know or should know, being tall does not guarantee that a male is a suitable protector or even a suitable mate. However, it seems for those women who want a man to be tall the idea of a "protector" seems to be a common theme among these types of women.
As I recall one female who was my height in her heels (I'm 6'0) she called me short because she was my height, but of course when she took her heels off she is looking up at me. This is one paradox I don't understand regarding the female sex. On one hand there are progressive women who are independent and want society to accept them as autonomous beings who can fend for themselves but on the other hand these same individuals have preferences for taller men because of the "protective factor."
I hope some women can shed light on this complex issue for me---Yes I understand we all have preferences but if you can see my point it's quite complex to me because the idea of a women desiring someone to be tall for protection while claiming independence means in that one aspect of what they want for themselves seems like they acknowledge an impotence within themselves.
Hmm - but it's the average height of men which is dropping - and the average weight of men which is rising. . . So (no surprise) there's conflicting 'evidence'
Ummm... Wut?
Men are taller now that they've ever been, and they're only getting taller.
Average Height by Nation - Males < 20
The kinds of heights listed on that article would've been basically unthinkable a century ago.
See - conflicting 'evidence' - I've read reports that say the opposite.
This is an honest question because as a person who frequently dates all types of women, and if I can take a page out of the movie "The Last Samurai" I am beset by the ironies of my life (when it comes to dealing with women and their preferences). When referring top preferences and the subject at hand I am referring mostly to women preferring men being taller. Because I'm so curious about this preference I tend to ask female co-workers of mine along with female strangers from school (also women I intend to date) as to why they prefer a taller man. Majority of their opinions did reference wearing high heels and not wanting to be taller than the man. Some highlight the idea that a taller man makes them secure in the event of an ensuing confrontation.
Knowing this, I recall a study I did in undergrad regarding the biopsychological effect of female mate selection between symmetrical and asymmetrical faces. In that study most female participants chose asymmetrical faces (squared jaw etc) as opposed to symmetrical faces (oval face) as the former is likely to pass on the best genes. Now of course the study I did was looking at early human selection. However if you look at contemporary trends of common female mate selection, you can see the choice of the "bad boy" (of course this projected image is due to media influence) along with the height preference one could make a strong argument that the patriarchal system in which we live in has indeed influenced a lot of female mate choices.
The idea of height being associated with the ability to protect, while being short, reflects an inability to protect reflects upon a social influence indicative of what is considered an Alpha and Beta male. Now what I mean by "women buying into their inferiority" I'm referring to the idea of the preference (or need) of a tall male for protection. As we all know or should know, being tall does not guarantee that a male is a suitable protector or even a suitable mate. However, it seems for those women who want a man to be tall the idea of a "protector" seems to be a common theme among these types of women.
As I recall one female who was my height in her heels (I'm 6'0) she called me short because she was my height, but of course when she took her heels off she is looking up at me. This is one paradox I don't understand regarding the female sex. On one hand there are progressive women who are independent and want society to accept them as autonomous beings who can fend for themselves but on the other hand these same individuals have preferences for taller men because of the "protective factor."
I hope some women can shed light on this complex issue for me---Yes I understand we all have preferences but if you can see my point it's quite complex to me because the idea of a women desiring someone to be tall for protection while claiming independence means in that one aspect of what they want for themselves seems like they acknowledge an impotence within themselves.
I've never seen or read any study indicating that, so I can't really speak to the veracity of the claim. I would say, however; that it goes contrary to the majority view on such matters.
Average height for American men may be going down, but that is only due to the influx of immigrants from ethnic groups which tend to be shorter than native born whites and blacks our society is experiencing at the moment (Asians, Latinos, etca).
A lot of European nations with more homogeneous populations are only seeing average height increase as time goes by.
Well - I've heard it all . . . It depends on what you're watching/reading and who they studied. This one cites that we haven't changed too much: Were People Shorter in the Past? Average Height 'Back Then'
I Dont like un natraully tall people .
Gathomas88 nailed it.
If I can turn the tables on YOU. Why do shorter than average men often want to date the tallest gal in the room?
This is an honest question because as a person who frequently dates all types of women, and if I can take a page out of the movie "The Last Samurai" I am beset by the ironies of my life (when it comes to dealing with women and their preferences). When referring top preferences and the subject at hand I am referring mostly to women preferring men being taller. Because I'm so curious about this preference I tend to ask female co-workers of mine along with female strangers from school (also women I intend to date) as to why they prefer a taller man. Majority of their opinions did reference wearing high heels and not wanting to be taller than the man. Some highlight the idea that a taller man makes them secure in the event of an ensuing confrontation.
Knowing this, I recall a study I did in undergrad regarding the biopsychological effect of female mate selection between symmetrical and asymmetrical faces. In that study most female participants chose asymmetrical faces (squared jaw etc) as opposed to symmetrical faces (oval face) as the former is likely to pass on the best genes. Now of course the study I did was looking at early human selection. However if you look at contemporary trends of common female mate selection, you can see the choice of the "bad boy" (of course this projected image is due to media influence) along with the height preference one could make a strong argument that the patriarchal system in which we live in has indeed influenced a lot of female mate choices.
The idea of height being associated with the ability to protect, while being short, reflects an inability to protect reflects upon a social influence indicative of what is considered an Alpha and Beta male. Now what I mean by "women buying into their inferiority" I'm referring to the idea of the preference (or need) of a tall male for protection. As we all know or should know, being tall does not guarantee that a male is a suitable protector or even a suitable mate. However, it seems for those women who want a man to be tall the idea of a "protector" seems to be a common theme among these types of women.
As I recall one female who was my height in her heels (I'm 6'0) she called me short because she was my height, but of course when she took her heels off she is looking up at me. This is one paradox I don't understand regarding the female sex. On one hand there are progressive women who are independent and want society to accept them as autonomous beings who can fend for themselves but on the other hand these same individuals have preferences for taller men because of the "protective factor."
I hope some women can shed light on this complex issue for me---Yes I understand we all have preferences but if you can see my point it's quite complex to me because the idea of a women desiring someone to be tall for protection while claiming independence means in that one aspect of what they want for themselves seems like they acknowledge an impotence within themselves.
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