Do we really have an immigration problem

[ClaraD]

I don't know what "Democratic socialist" is supposed to mean, which is essentially why I specifically said "totally socialist." A country could be labeled "Democratic socialist" but in actuality only be partially socialist (i.e., burdensome enough, but not detrimental, to its own economy to be technically considered socialist).

If you don't know what a Democratic Socialist is, you might want to find out, before continuing in this discussion.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, that isn't the argument used to not deport foreign nationals here in violation of US immigration laws. It also isn't the excuse used if they are found not paying taxes or violating criminal law. Also, if we have a draft, you realize that illegal immigrants can be drafted, right? How can you draft someone not subject to the jurisdiction of your country? If a child is born here, inside the US border, they are always subject to the laws, protections and requirements of this country.

Sure it is - since they claim to ‘lack resources’ only those who have committed other ‘serious’ crimes are being deported.

 

[ClaraD]

Sure it is - since they claim to ‘lack resources’ only those who have committed other ‘serious’ crimes are being deported.

the government is refusing to deport, not that the immigrant is arguing that they aren't subject to the jurisdiction of this country. NO one is arguing that, on either side.

 

[neil]

If you don't know what a Democratic Socialist is, you might want to find out, before continuing in this discussion.

If you want me to know more detail about it to continue the discussion, that's on you; you're the one who brought it up. Just cut this nonsense out right now (I'm familiar with this semantics-acrobatics game) and just tell me what your definition, description, or interpretation of what it is. I'm satisfied that I know enough about it that I want to know - democratic socialism is a subset of socialism, and I know that I'm opposed to socialism in general.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

what policies precisely? What laws have been passed since he took office that affects immigration and why didn't Congress address immigration during the Trump administration?

His open up the border policy.

 

[Da Mole]

slightly liberal because I refuse to associate myself with Trumpers who are white nationalists.

What about your stance on the open border?

 

[danielpalos]

It is not at all clear that the 14A ever intended for a child born to a foreign national tourist, student or undocumented immigrant to automagically become a US citizen.

Because it is not in our Fourteenth Amendment. It is in our original Constitution.

Besides, why do you care?

 

[danielpalos]

Everything bad that happens at the border is a direct result of the state trying to prevent people from crossing it.

Insofar as there IS an "illegal immigration" problem, it's because we don't have open borders.

Immigration restrictions are some of the most brutal, inhumane, hypocritical, unjust, and frankly straight-up evil policies on the planet and the sheer amount of dead migrants is a testament to that. It's really about time we get rid of them all.

Strange how people who routinely preach liberty and freedom don't actually believe in one of the most basic liberties and freedoms one can actually believe in. This is a most basic litmus test for who actually puts their money where their supposed principles are.

Right-wingers only allege to care about the sanctity of life in abortion threads.

 

[danielpalos]

What about your stance on the open border?

Being Legal to Constitutional Law is more ethical and more moral.

 

[Da Mole]

Being Legal to Constitutional Law is more ethical and more moral.

Non-answer, just GobbleDeGook.

 

[ClaraD]

What about your stance on the open border?

its right here in this thread. Did you somehow miss it? It is, after all, only a few posts up.

 

[danielpalos]

Your prejudices are showing; I'm not a "Winger" as you put it. I do care about the law. I've worked in Law Enforcement. The SCOTUS gets to decide whether or not a law is constitutional or not and where authority comes from within the constitution. It seems it is you that has a problem with the law and the SCOTUS's rulings. Could it not be you are the winger just not of variety you are asserting.

Projection is what right-wingers are best at. Also, there is no appeal to ignorance of express Constitutional law. It really is that simple, regardless of any judicial opinion to the contrary.

 

[ClaraD]

His open up the border policy.

where did Biden implement a policy to open up all the borders to anyone?

 

[ClaraD]

If you want me to know more detail about it to continue the discussion, that's on you; you're the one who brought it up. Just cut this nonsense out right now (I'm familiar with this semantics-acrobatics game) and just tell me what your definition, description, or interpretation of what it is. I'm satisfied that I know enough about it that I want to know - democratic socialism is a subset of socialism, and I know that I'm opposed to socialism in general.

its not like it is a big secret. Many European countries are Democratic socialist.

 

[neil]

its not like it is a big secret. Many European countries are Democratic socialist.

I live in the US, not Europe.

 

[danielpalos]

Section 5
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

That seems to leave the door open for congress to establish what constitutes “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” to exclude those born to foreign nationals illegally inside the US.

Sure, as long as you don't resort to the general badfare nor the general malfare; only the general welfare is authorized.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That pretty much excludes right-wing bigotry and right-wing fascism.

 

[ClaraD]

I live in the US, not Europe.

yes, and there are democratic socialists right here in our Senate and US House of Representatives. It doesn't matter that, you are in the US and not Europe. On this board, most of us have at least minimal knowledge of what goes on around us and what political beliefs are out there. This is why the right thinks they can shout Communist at anyone who disagrees with them, because they are ignorant of what platforms actually are and what those beliefs are.

 

[danielpalos]

Non-answer, just GobbleDeGook.

Just trolling, right-winger? You need to ask questions or cede the point you never had and the argument you could not come up with.

 

[Da Mole]

Just trolling, right-winger? You need to ask questions or cede the point you never had and the argument you could not come up with.

GobbleDeGook, personified.

 

[neil]

yes, and there are democratic socialists right here in our Senate and US House of Representatives. It doesn't matter that, you are in the US and not Europe. On this board, most of us have at least minimal knowledge of what goes on around us and what political beliefs are out there. This is why the right thinks they can shout Communist at anyone who disagrees with them, because they are ignorant of what platforms actually are and what those beliefs are.

Don't look now, but you have been totally dodging my question. I hope you don't think I wasn't going to notice.

Have I shouted communist? I'm actually ok with communism provided it includes robots.

 

[danielpalos]

GobbleDeGook, personified.

That is why right-wingers come across as nothing but trolls who only know how to parrot instead of understand.

 

[ClaraD]

Don't look now, but you have been totally dodging my question. I hope you don't think I wasn't going to notice.

Have I shouted communist? I'm actually ok with communism provided it includes robots.

right-wingers in this country have a bad habit of it. You have libertarian by your name, you realize that Libertarians are the complete opposite of communists right
In fact, most libertarians are confused about what they should be. By nature, Libertarians are open border, pro-freedom to use drugs and believe police should be security guards paid with private funds.

 

[neil]

right-wingers in this country have a bad habit of it. You have libertarian by your name, you realize that Libertarians are the complete opposite of communists right
In fact, most libertarians are confused about what they should be. By nature, Libertarians are open border, pro-freedom to use drugs and believe police should be security guards paid with private funds.

Red herring detector activated.

 

[H B Lowrey]

I agree to disagree when accomplished via unequal protection of the laws.

Depending upon socioeconomic status and skin tone.

 

[H B Lowrey]

right-wingers in this country have a bad habit of it. You have libertarian by your name, you realize that Libertarians are the complete opposite of communists right
In fact, most libertarians are confused about what they should be. By nature, Libertarians are open border, pro-freedom to use drugs and believe police should be security guards paid with private funds.

Many of them just don't want to admit that they bought into the duopoly madness.