Montecresto
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It is against their religion! :lamo
The attacks against Israel by Muslim countries only ceased when it became believed that Israel had a substantial nuclear arsenal.
Just read the biblical accounts of Jewish military adventurism, and how they invaded neighbouring countries and killed men, women, children and even all the livestock for no other reason than the fact that they worshiped Moloch instead of Yahweh.
Of course they don't. But I am sure that quite a few do.And even more know that he is right about Obama and Iran.
Well in that case, maybe Iran will decide someday to build their own as a deterrent to Israeli aggression.
Lots of people know lots of things that are totally wrong. :roll:
So you agree that the nature of warfare by everyone over 2000 years ago fully justifies ongoingly killing Jews all over the world ever since. Despicable.
The level of rabid hatred of Jews messages is stunning, but hatred for Jews is THE most popular bigotry in the history of the world. It is no question your messages are hatred of Jews. Do you mention the attrocities against Jews by Muslims? No. You have to reach back over 2000 years to find anything to compare what has been done non-stop to Jews ever since.
I have no doubt you want Iran to have nuclear weapons and by your messages to then use them against Israel for payback against OT Biblical offenses by Jews as you presented. The historic hatred of Jews isn't just rhetorical, but murderous and genocidal. You gave one of the Muslim reasons why all Jews should be killed as your own objection to Jews - that the Jews conquered the area of Israel in the 9th century BC.
Clearly, you hate America and even yourself for the attrocities and land theft against Native Americans less than 1/10th as far in the past. Clearly, Native Americans have a right to nuclear weapons to protect their reservations - that should be separate countries. You agree, don't you?
No, it was not just the "holocaust." If you explore Jewish history in the world there has been THOUSANDS of recorded incidents of the organized killing Jews all over the world merely because they were Jews. It was not just the Nazi holocaust. "The wandering Jew" (a famous poem) is about how Jews were perpetually seeking a safe permanent place to live - and never finding one.
The only countries that were safe for Jews in modern history was the United States (which closed its doors to Jews in 1924) and In Israel/Palestine while under British rule, though the UK also was increasingly blocking Jews coming to Israel and began imprisoning elsewhere young Jews of potential fighting age merely for being young Jewish men.
As for blaming Jews for the problems of the ME, Jews, ie "Christ-killers" in the West, have always been blamed for any country's problems. For hundreds and hundreds of years.
The end of WW2 did not make Jews welcomes in Europe. Jews have been virtually purged from the whole world except the USA and Israel. As for ME Muslim countries, the genocide of Jews is nearly absolute and more complete than Hitler's holocaust.
I understand all of that. As does any literate person with any historical knowledge at all. However it doesn't change the fact that primarily the reasons why there are not that many Jews in the world is the fact that: 1. They were decimated during the holocaust. And. 2. They don't proselytize. No religion, persecuted or not, will grow very much if it doesn't proselytize and try to convert others.
All that is neither here nor there though because it doesn't change the fact your original premise is predicated on the notion that somehow one of the most educated demographics in America are ignorant of Jewish history.
I don't think that Netanyahu has the support of the majority of Jews in the U.S., especially among the younger generation. They are fed up with the lies and warmongering and want a new, fresh approach to solving the problems of the Middle East.
Once again, no. Yes, those are TWO reasons. But you leave off the millions and millions of Jews otherwise killed for being Jewish. Across the ages far more Jews have been murdered for being Jewish than in the holocaust. THAT MEANT NO MORE GENERATIONS OF JEWISH CHILDREN.
The most recent and mass organized Nazi holocaust does not define primary reason for the current number of ethnic Jews.
"Knowledge" in a book learning sense versus "knowledge" in an emotional experience sense are entirely different matters. It is possible that you know more about the history of events between white people and Native Americans than I do. Yet I am the latter. So, then do you have stronger and more emotional senses about the topic than I do? That seems your claim - that fact knowledge equates to emotional dedication and motivation. It doesn't.
Muslim clerics who call for killing Jews likely know more of Jewish history in relation to Israel than do American Jews. That does not equate to those clerics having greater support of Israeli Jews, does it?
It is NOT fact-knowledge that matters. It is experience and emointional knowledge that matters - and American Jews have virtually none of the latter.
There is NO call being made to kill American Jews, so there is no direct emotional reason for American Jews to care one iota what happens to Israel, anymore than Irish immigrants to the USA generations ago have any emotional reason to care what happens to Ireland. If every Jew in Israel was killed it would have no direct effect on at least 90+% of American Jews. What life or even family experience do American Jews have with the Jews who fled to Israel?
Virtually all Jews fled to the USA prior to the Immigration Act of 1924, which among other goals was to block Jews coming to the USA. As murder and increasing slaughter of Jews became worldwide, Jews were trying to flee to Israel, despite Britain trying to block the number of Jews coming to Israel.
By 1938, Jews were desperate to get out of Europe and Britain proposed a small Jewish zone, smaller than present day Israel, and for all the rest being exclusively for Arabs. The Jewish Council agreed, but Palestinian Muslims riots, demanding that Jews do not have 1 inch of land and instead that Jews be evicted. Britain withdrew it's proposal.
This left nowhere for European Jews to go, resulting in the murder of 1/3rd of all Jews in the World, 6 million, in the holocaust. However, the murder and oppression against Jews was worldwide, other than Britain attempted to maintain law and order in what is now Israel, so those few who could make it there were relatively safe.
Few American Jews have any ancestry or direct linkage to the holocaust and have been safely within the USA so long they have no memory of the reason their ancestor's fled to the USA, just like many others of different ethnicity who came to the USA to escape do not.
American Jews are a curiousity that the phrase "the self hating Jew" was applied to American Jews beginning decades ago.
Other than a past ethnic/racial connection, American Jews have virtually no linkage to Jews in Israel or anywhere else in the world. The history of American Jews for nearly all pre-date 1924 nor did they come from the ME or Palestine. Nearly all came from Europe.
So their understanding of the oppression and dangers Jews elsewhere is something they can only read in history books the same as anyone else - and there is on familiar consciousness even history to Israel whatsoever.
Unlike American blacks, most of whom can trace their ancestry to slavery and then extreme oppression into recent USA history, American Jews have no such history in the USA nor such stories of oppression from their grandparents who also were Americans - and without the oppression blacks faced.
Simply put, American Jews are fully Americanized, just like Americans whose ancestors came from Ireland, Eastern Europe, and so forth.
Israel was not founded by American Jews. It was founded foremost by European, Middle Eastern and Russian Jews, with a few from elsewhere. American Jews had no need to flee for their lives to Israel. The ancestors of and many still living Jews in Israel did. Israel was their lifeboat - and a boat they can never leave. A tiny boat and intensely hated - as always - by people all over the world - and some people on this forum of course.
The freak that has been telling us for twenty five years that Iran is a year or two away from having nuclear weapons? Yeah.
People who pay attention and read between the lines know that much of the purported support for Israel among fundamentalist Christians and other militaristic conservatives is really about fulfilling Biblical prophecy for an armageddon, increasing the USA's power over the middle east and general hatred of Muslims.
I don't know how Jews in America would care about politicians in another country.I don't think that Netanyahu has the support of the majority of Jews in the U.S., especially among the younger generation. They are fed up with the lies and warmongering and want a new, fresh approach to solving the problems of the Middle East.
Polls show that about 72% of Americans declare themselves pro-Israeli, that's quite a lot of fundamentalist Christians, militaristic conservatives and Muslim-haters ain't it? You're ridiculous.
Got a source to back that up?
Polls show that about 72% of Americans declare themselves pro-Israeli, that's quite a lot of fundamentalist Christians, militaristic conservatives and Muslim-haters ain't it? You're ridiculous.
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