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Do Jews really control the American media?

Depends on the what you mean by historical. It's been floating around for 100 years or better. Henry Ford seemed to buy into it and published portions of it in his news paper. That's history. You are asking whether it is real, or a load of bull ? Leaning towards bull here, but the question is what is it for ? It's an odd thing.

It is a forgery passed off as real by rabid anti-semitic groups.

Any link to a group supporting said nonsense is suspected.
 
Sorry you think I was patronizing. The topic is about how American media simplifies and distorts WWII.
No, it isn't about that. You created the thread to talk about how Jews control the American media. That's a very different topic.


But so many do.
I don't doubt it, but you treat everyone as if they had no critical faculties.

History allows a different interpretation.
There are many interpretations, all of them however are replete with ideological baggage. Your ideological baggage is causing me serious concern.


Nevertheless, the punitive collective punishment of the German people in the terms of the Versailles Treaty were already abrogated by the English and French by September 1939.
What France and Britain did out of weakness has very little bearing on what Hitler's régime did out of their perceived strength. You appear to be using the weak positions of France and Britain to justify the expansionist ambitions of Nazi Germany. No one other than Hitler and his cohorts were to blame for his expansionism and imperialist ambitions.


I see it differently.
You see what differently. I just agreed with you that rearmament had (temporary) economic benefits for Germany.


You asked and I told you.
Yes, you did. I was just a bit stunned at the way in which you appear to have exonerated the Nazi régime from all fault for the outbreak of WWII, except for the silly Aryan mythology bit. That was the 'wow!' factor.
 
It is a forgery passed off as real by rabid anti-semitic groups.

Any link to a group supporting said nonsense is suspected.

There are reasons it lives on. Can't quite wrap my head around the... social or political utility of it. What I mean is that this type of document could be fashioned to scapegoat some other group, but for what end ? It seems that it's something past hate, hate is just a vehicle for an agenda.
 
There are reasons it lives on. Can't quite wrap my head around the... social or political utility of it. What I mean is that this type of document could be fashioned to scapegoat some other group, but for what end ? It seems that it's something past hate, hate is just a vehicle for an agenda.

If you cannot understand the agenda that is a you problem.

It was to demonize the Jews.

To what end?

To justify their hatred.
 
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I am asking your opinion as to the approximate number of six million Jews.
How many do you believe should have been killed?
None of course. What a strange question.

No, it isn't about that. You created the thread to talk about how Jews control the American media. That's a very different topic.
It is one and the same by which I mean that Oliver Stone attributes the false oversimplification of history, in particular the demonizing of Germans and the over emphasis and continual recounting of the Holocaust to be due to the influence of Jewish control of the media.

I don't doubt it, but you treat everyone as if they had no critical faculties.
This thread is sufficient proof to me that popular American culture has completely and repeatedly misinformed the public about historical truth and the media is largely to blame.

There are many interpretations, all of them however are replete with ideological baggage. Your ideological baggage is causing me serious concern.
I have no ideological baggage. I am non-political.

What France and Britain did out of weakness has very little bearing on what Hitler's régime did out of their perceived strength. You appear to be using the weak positions of France and Britain to justify the expansionist ambitions of Nazi Germany.
Come now; the English and the French were big boys. They knew the Versailles Treaty was dead in the water.

No one other than Hitler and his cohorts were to blame for his expansionism and imperialist ambitions.
This world domination narrative is way overplayed in that it misunderstands the German plan to unite all ethnic Germans and destroy Communism in Europe, making Lebensraum from Russia. There is reason to believe that Hitler wanted the British Empire to remain a sphere of influence in the world. None of this is explored in te American media.

You see what differently. I just agreed with you that rearmament had (temporary) economic benefits for Germany.
You asserted that German growth was unsustainable. I do not believe this but we will never know.

Yes, you did. I was just a bit stunned at the way in which you appear to have exonerated the Nazi régime from all fault for the outbreak of WWII, except for the silly Aryan mythology bit. That was the 'wow!' factor.
The Aryan nonsense was an important part of the Nazi myth. I do not believe it is correct to blame WWII on Germany. Perhaps we are still too close to events to expect objective analysis, epecially from the American media.
 
Come now; the English and the French were big boys. They knew the Versailles Treaty was dead in the water.


This world domination narrative is way overplayed in that it misunderstands the German plan to unite all ethnic Germans and destroy Communism in Europe, making Lebensraum from Russia. There is reason to believe that Hitler wanted the British Empire to remain a sphere of influence in the world. None of this is explored in te American media.


The Aryan nonsense was an important part of the Nazi myth. I do not believe it is correct to blame WWII on Germany. Perhaps we are still too close to events to expect objective analysis, epecially from the American media.

Just to play the devils advocate here for a moment, what sort of world do you think would have emerged, if the west had kept their hands off events? Hitler had long intended to attack the Soviet Union, and if he had done this with no interference from the west, it is quite possible he would have been successful, or largely so. We would have then had a regime with control over vast natural resources, and arming at a rapid rate, with technology that was at the time already spanning oceans and challenging the sea power of Britain and France. Also, need we say, one that had no qualms about killing in large numbers, not only Jews, but other deemed unfit minorities, dissidents, and the mentally ill. It had no qualms about bullying and committing violence to achieve its aims. Would that have been a better scenario?
 
They knew before they left to fight that the camps were in operation.

They knew the Einsatzgruppen were patrolling their rear areas hunting down Jews and killing them by the thousands and sometimes tens of thousands.

They knew a fair amount of rail transport was dedicated to moving Jews out of the occupied territories.....

Not sure I buy that. They were too busy freezing to death and being shot at.

I'm sure they were trying to figure out why they were not getting supplies like food and warm clothes. And, maybe someone in the know said, "Because those assholes are too busy shipping Jews to camps to be bothered with our comfort. Sieg ****ing Heil."
 
I have no ideological baggage. I am non-political.
I think this thread shows that clearly you are highly politically motivated.

I do not believe it is correct to blame WWII on Germany. Perhaps we are still too close to events to expect objective analysis, epecially from the American media.
If you don't recognise that as a political statement then we'd better leave the conversation there. You are clearly way out on the fringe of historical analysis and political ideology.
 
Just to play the devils advocate here for a moment, what sort of world do you think would have emerged, if the west had kept their hands off events? Hitler had long intended to attack the Soviet Union, and if he had done this with no interference from the west, it is quite possible he would have been successful, or largely so. We would have then had a regime with control over vast natural resources, and arming at a rapid rate, with technology that was at the time already spanning oceans and challenging the sea power of Britain and France. Also, need we say, one that had no qualms about killing in large numbers, not only Jews, but other deemed unfit minorities, dissidents, and the mentally ill. It had no qualms about bullying and committing violence to achieve its aims. Would that have been a better scenario?
We will never know. I suppose Germany would have become the leading economy in Europe, a leader, so to speak, of a European Union.

I think this thread shows that clearly you are highly politically motivated.
If you don't recognise that as a political statement then we'd better leave the conversation there. You are clearly way out on the fringe of historical analysis and political ideology.
It is possible to be committed to historical accuracy without being political. The truth is rarely black and white. Then, of course, everyone knows that it is the victors who get to tell the official narrative. Let's hope the scholars will, in time, redress the balance.
 
We will never know. I suppose Germany would have become the leading economy in Europe, a leader, so to speak, of a European Union.


It is possible to be committed to historical accuracy without being political. The truth is rarely black and white. Then, of course, everyone knows that it is the victors who get to tell the official narrative. Let's hope the scholars will, in time, redress the balance.

A cop out answer Heinrich. If you had some new material, or otherwise obscure facts, I'd take them on, on their own merit. But you do not.
 
Jews do not control anything in the United States. Their prominence in any field requiring superior intelligence can be explained by the fact that their average IQ is 115.
 
We will never know. I suppose Germany would have become the leading economy in Europe, a leader, so to speak, of a European Union.

Yes, Germany and the German people are such an oppressed nation now days...

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Furthermore, the very American system you claim to be so abhorrently against was one of the major supporters of Hitler and the Nazis before his incursions into Austria, Czechslovakia and Poland.

NATO?s Nazi Beginnings: How the West implemented Hitler's goals, by Robert S. Rodvik

Germany is the most powerful economy in Europe and one of the top 7 on Earth, not to mention the EU essentially relies on Germany for survival at this point...

*facebrick*
 
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Not sure I buy that. They were too busy freezing to death and being shot at.

Your incredulity is, as I have said, irrelevant.

I'm sure they were trying to figure out why they were not getting supplies like food and warm clothes. And, maybe someone in the know said, "Because those assholes are too busy shipping Jews to camps to be bothered with our comfort. Sieg ****ing Heil."

You really don't understand....

Supplies, soldiers and munitions went out.... Millions of Jews were brought back....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_train

Prepare to handwave.....
 
We will never know. I suppose Germany would have become the leading economy in Europe, a leader, so to speak, of a European Union.

It is possible to be committed to historical accuracy without being political. The truth is rarely black and white. Then, of course, everyone knows that it is the victors who get to tell the official narrative. Let's hope the scholars will, in time, redress the balance.

And how would the Jews, Slavs, Romanis, ethnic Poles, Homosexuals, Communists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet POWs, etc. fare in the Greater Germany?

Oh, wait, they would all be dead so it's all good. Eh, Heinrich?
 
And how would the Jews, Slavs, Romanis, ethnic Poles, Homosexuals, Communists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet POWs, etc. fare in the Greater Germany? ...
There is reason to believe, had Germany won the war against the Soviet Union, that attitudes over time could have changed. The initial solution to the Jewish Problem was expulsion from the Reich. Death camps were not built until two-and-a-half years after the English and French declared war on Germany, the United States had entered the war, and troops were fighting hard in Russia. Plausibly, a homeland for Jews would have been established in Madagascar or Palestine and there would have been no Final Solution. The Roma would have been forced to settle, perhaps in Romania, and quit their nomadic culture. Poles at first would have had no right of residence in the Reich and subject to the Generalgouvernement as a laboring class and, in time, might have been Aryanized, so to speak. This might surprise you but, being gay was illegal in the USA right up to 2003! In many Protestant U.S. states today, gays cannot marry! Back in pre-war Germany, homosexuality was an issue with regard to a perceived decadent culture of flamboyant effeminate or girly types such as was common in some Berlin night clubs of the Weimar Republic. It was believed that a good dose of work camp experience would teach them some manners. You might be shocked to learn that Communists were persecuted in the USA even after WWII, some executed and others in Hollywood blacklisted. Americans waged war in Viet Nam for years against Communists and have been blockading tiny Communist Cuba for decades. Try googling "Communism in USA". Ha! Right enough, Communism would have been proscribed in the Third Reich. Some religious cults were also banned, such as Jehovah Witnesses and active membership that targeted brainwashing of youth would have incurred a spell in a work camp. Today, Scientology is banned as such a dangerous cult in Germany. Traditional Catholicism and the Evangelic Church were well established and likely would have remained so in the Reich. After the defeat of the Soviet Union who knows what would have happened with Russian POWs? They might have been treated as German POWs were in the Soviet Union. Trying to see into a future that never existed can be interesting but must remain the subject of fanciful novels.
 
There is reason to believe, had Germany won the war against the Soviet Union, that attitudes over time could have changed. The initial solution to the Jewish Problem was expulsion from the Reich. Death camps were not built until two-and-a-half years after the English and French declared war on Germany, the United States had entered the war, and troops were fighting hard in Russia. Plausibly, a homeland for Jews would have been established in Madagascar or Palestine and there would have been no Final Solution. The Roma would have been forced to settle, perhaps in Romania, and quit their nomadic culture. Poles at first would have had no right of residence in the Reich and subject to the Generalgouvernement as a laboring class and, in time, might have been Aryanized, so to speak. This might surprise you but, being gay was illegal in the USA right up to 2003! In many Protestant U.S. states today, gays cannot marry! Back in pre-war Germany, homosexuality was an issue with regard to a perceived decadent culture of flamboyant effeminate or girly types such as was common in some Berlin night clubs of the Weimar Republic. It was believed that a good dose of work camp experience would teach them some manners. You might be shocked to learn that Communists were persecuted in the USA even after WWII, some executed and others in Hollywood blacklisted. Americans waged war in Viet Nam for years against Communists and have been blockading tiny Communist Cuba for decades. Try googling "Communism in USA". Ha! Right enough, Communism would have been proscribed in the Third Reich. Some religious cults were also banned, such as Jehovah Witnesses and active membership that targeted brainwashing of youth would have incurred a spell in a work camp. Today, Scientology is banned as such a dangerous cult in Germany. Traditional Catholicism and the Evangelic Church were well established and likely would have remained so in the Reich. After the defeat of the Soviet Union who knows what would have happened with Russian POWs? They might have been treated as German POWs were in the Soviet Union. Trying to see into a future that never existed can be interesting but must remain the subject of fanciful novels.

Well, at least Hitler hated communists. There is that. :roll:
 
There is reason to believe, had Germany won the war against the Soviet Union, that attitudes over time could have changed. The initial solution to the Jewish Problem .

There was no problem.
 
The initial solution to the Jewish Problem was expulsion from the Reich.

Could you spell out precisely what the 'Jewish Problem' was, just so we can understand the extent to which you buy into Nazi ideology?
 
Shame on you for linking to such a transparent conspiracy-obsessed blog. I thought better of you than that Dibbler. Apparently I was mistaken.

In my experience, that is consistent with what Dibbler posts.
 
There was no problem.
Had there been no perceived Jewish Problem, there would have been no need for various solutions, not even the Final Solution.

Could you spell out precisely what the 'Jewish Problem' was, just so we can understand the extent to which you buy into Nazi ideology?
The assumption of your question is false; I do not "buy into Nazi ideology". I am non-political, I should have mentioned.
 
Had there been no perceived Jewish Problem, there would have been no need for various solutions, not even the Final Solution.
We all know that the Nazis were racist scum. That caused the perception. There was no need to kill millions of innocent people. Why are you defending Hitler and his cronies?
 
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