Do Immigrants Work Harder?

[Awesome!]

That's very true. Americans can get the job, but don't want it because it won't pay for the Escalade they have to have, parked outside the big house while they dress only in name brand clothes. Immigrants who come from a one room shack with 2 families don't mind taking a low paying job because even having a normal size house with a car is a major step for them.




Not really. Most send some of their money back to their families that still live in their homeland to either keep them alive or so the family members can save up and move to America. Plus the second generation, the children that are raised here, are almost foreign to their parent's homeland and would never even dream of moving back there and get an education here and better paying jobs than their parents. Not one immigrant I know, legal or illegal, save their money to move back to their homeland.

There you go, tell it like it is. I realize some jobs in America are at risk, but by and large you can change course in America with the benefit of upward mobility if you want to work. The immigrants that I work with do send money back home, but they realize that the families become parasites after awhile and are really careful when sending money back home.

Some immigrants I know that have prospered here after working hard do move back because they don't like the culture here and want to raise their kids back home, but agree with you that most of them want to stay here.

 

[jfuh]

Not really. Most send some of their money back to their families that still live in their homeland to either keep them alive or so the family members can save up and move to America. Plus the second generation, the children that are raised here, are almost foreign to their parent's homeland and would never even dream of moving back there and get an education here and better paying jobs than their parents. Not one immigrant I know, legal or illegal, save their money to move back to their homeland.

I know LOTS of immigrants, both legal and illegal. Frankly they don't really care where they are as long as there is opportunity that they can work towards obtaining. This is a universal truth with all immigrants that I've seen both past and present.
When europeans immigrated to what would be the US onboard the mayflower, they weren't coming here because they loved this place and wanted to be citizens of this place, no it was to escape religious prosecution. When later immigrants were coming from all over it was to get economic opportunity that they would've otherwise have been denied in their home nations. Einstein came not because he wanted to be an American but so as to escape being killed at the hand of Nazi Germany. Van Braun, escaping communist soviet union.
So when people here are bitching about how immigrants are willing to integrate, don't care to be american I'm sorry, but neither did your ancestors. They all came here for the same reason, to seek a better life that they were otherwise denied in their home country.
And if those of you here are thinking that it's easy being an illegal, you go out and try working with those poor bastards for a day or two and see how easy you will have it. So shove your bigoted fiend nationalistic pride back up your collective arses.

There's nothing more American than good work ethics/efficiency, assertiveness and determination.

 

[Kali]

I love how bleeding hearts get all brainwashed over this issue! I stand by my post and long for the day when these illegals stop stealing jobs, having babies to milk our system, working illegal in mills with fake SS#'s, etc.. Trust me this happens and if you think not? You are buying into the big myth. Again I have no problems with LEGAL-keyword here folks is LEGAL-immigrants in this country but I am not happy with illegals in this country because yes they DO take jobs! I have seen it way too much in my area and know this is a FACT!

 

[Kali]

Who are you talking to? Because unless you quote the person, it is assumed that you are talking to the poster just prior to your post, but it does not seem like you are addressing me... os, to whom are you talking to?

Bodi, sorry I was not really replying to any one person just tossing out more of my thoughts on this issue. :2razz:

 

[Kali]

So all of you folks here that seem to be supporting illegals are you willing to support ALL CRIMINALS????? If not why? Would that not make you a hypocrite?

 

[Kali]

I hear what you are saying and I agree. Americans are buying into the idea that immigrants are taking jobs and that outsourcing is only negative (thank Michael Moore for that trend) and that the USA has tremendous opportunity for those taht are willing to work hard and be creative.

I think that it is the Corporations that are hurting America. It is their tactics and schemes that are eroding choices and taking advantage of immigrants, mainly illiegal ones.

we are becoming soft, and the PC mentality of today is a perfect example of pandering to the whiney few. Unions are a problem, but they are also a solution to greater problems, the issue is balance. That and dealing with Special Interest Groups that pander to the Special Interestes instead of the General Interests of America.

Much to ponder.

I do think we should really sock it to these big time Corporations that are hiring these illegals and we should fine them up the ass and after so many fines? We have some kind of law/rule that if you are caught so many times hiring them you are Shut Down! But of course that would hurt us at first but if they got the message we will no longer tolerate this then maybe they would get the message? :doh

 

[Kali]

That's very true. Americans can get the job, but don't want it because it won't pay for the Escalade they have to have, parked outside the big house while they dress only in name brand clothes. Immigrants who come from a one room shack with 2 families don't mind taking a low paying job because even having a normal size house with a car is a major step for them.




Not really. Most send some of their money back to their families that still live in their homeland to either keep them alive or so the family members can save up and move to America. Plus the second generation, the children that are raised here, are almost foreign to their parent's homeland and would never even dream of moving back there and get an education here and better paying jobs than their parents. Not one immigrant I know, legal or illegal, save their money to move back to their homeland.

Well you must not know what is really going on in our country or you are in denial!

 

[jfuh]

I love how bleeding hearts get all brainwashed over this issue! I stand by my post and long for the day when these illegals stop stealing jobs, having babies to milk our system, working illegal in mills with fake SS#'s, etc.. Trust me this happens and if you think not? You are buying into the big myth. Again I have no problems with LEGAL-keyword here folks is LEGAL-immigrants in this country but I am not happy with illegals in this country because yes they DO take jobs! I have seen it way too much in my area and know this is a FACT!

I won't deny that indeed it is applicable to some illegal immigrants, but to generalize to all?
"Illegals are stealing our jobs" - very well then, what jobs have they stolen and how did they steal it?

 

[Kali]

I won't deny that indeed it is applicable to some illegal immigrants, but to generalize to all?
"Illegals are stealing our jobs" - very well then, what jobs have they stolen and how did they steal it?

ANY job that an illegal has is a crime and is taking away a job that legals can and would do. OK?

 

[Kali]

So all of you folks here that seem to be supporting illegals are you willing to support ALL CRIMINALS????? If not why? Would that not make you a hypocrite?

Nobody wants to answer This. I wonder why.. :2razz:

 

[jfuh]

ANY job that an illegal has is a crime and is taking away a job that legals can and would do. OK?

That's not the same as stealing a job from someone else. But again, which jobs are illegals stealing and how are they going about in actively stealing these jobs? How do you "steal" a job?

 

[jfuh]

Nobody wants to answer This. I wonder why.. :2razz:

Might have something to do with the fact that no one actually "supports" illegals hence why no one is answering your rhetorical question.
Most people on this site see beyond simple talking points or partisan rhetoric.

 

[Kali]

That's not the same as stealing a job from someone else. But again, which jobs are illegals stealing and how are they going about in actively stealing these jobs? How do you "steal" a job?

Umm.. You are just trying to mess with me now. The hell it is not stealing. I am not sure what world you are living in but when you have people that use fake SS#, etc? that go in for jobs? That IS Stealing! When you have these places giving jobs to illegals THAT is stealing! What is sooooooooo hard to understand about this??

How do you steal a job? Umm.. Let us think here... You go in and apply and hope like hell you do not get caught being an illegal and if you get the Job? Wow! Yipppeee! You just commited a crime and are taking a job that some legal could have filled! But guess that does not matter because you do not give a **** about the people here in a legal fashion because all you care about is breaking the laws and trying to get those jobs so you can make a living-a living that you are NOT entilted to MAKE! WHY? Because you are not here in a legal fashion!

 

[Kali]

Might have something to do with the fact that no one actually "supports" illegals hence why no one is answering your rhetorical question.
Most people on this site see beyond simple talking points or partisan rhetoric.

Really? You seem to support illegals and if I had to guess? I bet you either have illegal family here or some illegal friends.

 

[jfuh]

Umm.. You are just trying to mess with me now. The hell it is not stealing. I am not sure what world you are living in but when you have people that use fake SS#, etc? that go in for jobs? That IS Stealing! When you have these places giving jobs to illegals THAT is stealing! What is sooooooooo hard to understand about this??

Stealing would be taking something that does not belong to you without any permission.
Did the job that the illegal get hired for ever "belong" to anyone else? Did they not have permission to take them? Why are you calling the illegal as stealing the job when it was given to them by the employer? The fault is not that of the illegals for being hired for the job but that of the employers for knowingly giving the job to someone who's status is illegal.
Again, that's not stealing, and no I'm not trying to mess with your mind, but simply asking for you to put the blame where it rightfully is.

How do you steal a job? Umm.. Let us think here... You go in and apply and hope like hell you do not get caught being an illegal and if you get the Job? Wow! Yipppeee! You just commited a crime and are taking a job that some legal could have filled! But guess that does not matter because you do not give a **** about the people here in a legal fashion because all you care about is breaking the laws and trying to get those jobs so you can make a living-a living that you are NOT entilted to MAKE! WHY? Because you are not here in a legal fashion!

Again, that's not stealing. This is not about me or what my position may or may not be. You want to present your case then make a strong argument for it. As of yet I've not seen any credible evidence that jobs were "stolen".

 

[jfuh]

Really? You seem to support illegals and if I had to guess? I bet you either have illegal family here or some illegal friends.

Are you here for a shoutfest or are you here to debate?
Let's just say for the hell of it that I am an illegal immigrant myself or that I strongly support illegal immigration - how has that taken anything away from the fact that you've not supported your own premise?
Support your own argument - debate - this is not a shouting fest you want to do that go down to the basement or sewer. Certainly you've been around here long enough to know that.

 

[mikhail]

Its what the money means to you.But i would say its basically a load of crap i mean people are individuals some are hardworking some arent.theres a conformation bias to this people have a preconception on way or the other and suddenly all immigrants work harder or are they suck.

 

[Bodi]

Are you here for a shoutfest or are you here to debate?
Let's just say for the hell of it that I am an illegal immigrant myself or that I strongly support illegal immigration - how has that taken anything away from the fact that you've not supported your own premise?
Support your own argument - debate - this is not a shouting fest you want to do that go down to the basement or sewer. Certainly you've been around here long enough to know that.

jfuh is ILLEGAL! I knew it. Call the INS somebody... :2razz:

 

[Kali]

Are you here for a shoutfest or are you here to debate?
Let's just say for the hell of it that I am an illegal immigrant myself or that I strongly support illegal immigration - how has that taken anything away from the fact that you've not supported your own premise?
Support your own argument - debate - this is not a shouting fest you want to do that go down to the basement or sewer. Certainly you've been around here long enough to know that.

Where did I SHOUT???? I did NOT! <----- Til right there.. And I made the points I needed to make not my fault you cannot grasp them. Illegals do steal jobs and milk our system. These are facts and there is no room for debate because it is pretty clear cut: they are illegal and commit crimes and should be sent home. Period. End of Subject. What is so hard to grasp about That?

 

[Kali]

jfuh is ILLEGAL! I knew it. Call the INS somebody... :2razz:

Calling INS would not help because they cannot seem to do their job.

jfuh does not seem to be able to grasp the fact that illegals are milking our system and stealing jobs. Jobs in this country are suppose to go to people that are LEGAL. Period. :doh

 

[Bodi]

Calling INS would not help because they cannot seem to do their job.

jfuh does not seem to be able to grasp the fact that illegals are milking our system and stealing jobs. Jobs in this country are suppose to go to people that are LEGAL. Period. :doh

ILLEGALS do not "steal" jobs, they are "given" jobs by employers that are breaking the law. :2razz:

 

[Rogue]

Stealing would be taking something that does not belong to you without any permission.
Did the job that the illegal get hired for ever "belong" to anyone else? Did they not have permission to take them? Why are you calling the illegal as stealing the job when it was given to them by the employer? The fault is not that of the illegals for being hired for the job but that of the employers for knowingly giving the job to someone who's status is illegal.
Again, that's not stealing, and no I'm not trying to mess with your mind, but simply asking for you to put the blame where it rightfully is.



Again, that's not stealing. This is not about me or what my position may or may not be. You want to present your case then make a strong argument for it. As of yet I've not seen any credible evidence that jobs were "stolen".

Well, we've got all these people who love to bash illegals, but, the real, irrefutable reason that all of these illegal Mexican poverty reject scabs are here is that American scumbag employers of illegals are allowed to hire them. The most corrupt fed gov in US history, available to the highest bidder, has been bought off by the employers of illegals to allow these Mexican poverty reject scabs to flood into the US.

So jfuh is TOTALLY CORRECT about who is responsible for this illegal Mexican invasion, THE SCUMBAG EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS, courtesy of the most corrupt, available to the highest bidder, fed gov in US history.

 

[Scucca]

So jfuh is TOTALLY CORRECT about who is responsible for this illegal Mexican invasion, THE SCUMBAG EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS, courtesy of the most corrupt, available to the highest bidder, fed gov in US history.

The blame lies with the failure of the US-Mexican labour markets to integrate, as predicted by comparative advantage theory. This reflects a mixture of theoretical error (i.e. we have to take into account the negative consequences of multinationals on preferential trade agreements) and the continuation of protectionism by the US. This latter problem will reflect a conservative social welfare function imposed on the government and therefore involve the impact of the median voter. In summary, the illegal migrant worker scenario must be partially blamed on the US people as they encourage the restriction of fair trade

 

[jfuh]

Where did I SHOUT???? I did NOT! <----- Til right there.. And I made the points I needed to make not my fault you cannot grasp them. Illegals do steal jobs and milk our system. These are facts and there is no room for debate because it is pretty clear cut: they are illegal and commit crimes and should be sent home. Period. End of Subject. What is so hard to grasp about That?

Now you've moved the goal posts to include "milking the system".
I recall only not so long ago how that "milking" the system was applied also to the african american community as well as the legal immigrant community.

Stick with your "stealing jobs" which you still have yet to establish as anything being "stolen".

 

[Rogue]

The blame lies with the failure of the US-Mexican labour markets to integrate, as predicted by comparative advantage theory. This reflects a mixture of theoretical error (i.e. we have to take into account the negative consequences of multinationals on preferential trade agreements) and the continuation of protectionism by the US. This latter problem will reflect a conservative social welfare function imposed on the government and therefore involve the impact of the median voter. In summary, the illegal migrant worker scenario must be partially blamed on the US people as they encourage the restriction of fair trade

As I said, the real, irrefutable reason that all of these illegal Mexican poverty reject scabs are here is that American scumbag employers of illegals are allowed to hire them. The most corrupt fed gov in US history, available to the highest bidder, has been bought off by the employers of illegals to allow these Mexican poverty reject scabs to flood into the US.