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DO I support racism?[W:433]

Do I support racism?

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Re: DO I support racism?

ernst barkmann said:
then you are not for liberty then.
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Yeah, I know, I'm such a tyrant to expect those classes of people to have a right to purchase goods and services despite their skin color, sexual orientation, handicapping condition and religion.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
yeah, i know, i'm such a tyrant to expect those classes of people to have a right to purchase goods and services despite their skin color, sexual orientation, handicapping condition and religion.
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you want laws to be created by how it makes you feel on the basis of emotion, and laws cannot be make according to that test.

Laws based on emotion, will voilate the rights of people evertytime.
 
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maquiscat said:
Sure we can discuss what the law is, but that does not automatically reflect what is right.
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You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts

You are free to make your own choices when it comes to your own personal morality. However, the claim that people can do whatever they want with their property is factually wrong. Furthermore, it is nearly unanimously agreed, that it is not moral to allow people to do whatever they want with their property.

At one point it would have easily been said,"If you're a public accommodation in the business of providing any of those things and you provide them to blacks who have escaped a plantation, then that is a crime." Or similar things about allowing blacks and whites to sit together at the lunch counter. Simply because a law exists does not mean that it is right. At no point, that I've noticed, is it being argued that such refusals are not against the current law. The argument is that the current law, such as it is written, improperly removes the freedom of association and personal property rights under the legal fiction of private property being a "public accommodation".
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Public accommodations do have such freedom or such rights. If someone wants to maintain their freedom to not associate with blacks, or use their property to serve blacks, then they can choose to not open a business and run it as as public accommodation. They can run it as a private club

Of course you too failed to answer the question.



You are the one wrong here. At the store I work at we all allow, legally, to tell anyone that they are no longer allowed to come into our store. We don't have to give them a reason. We've even had that confirmed by the police on a couple of occasion. Now if we tell them it's because we suspect them of shop lifting and they've not been then we can indeed get in trouble. We'd be guilty of false accusation. We can of course get in trouble if we say that it is based upon race or age or any of the "protected classes". But we have that right to refuse service period. If it were illegal to do, then no one would be allowed to have the signs that say "we reserve the right to refuse service for any reason".
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The fact that you have never been in trouble for doing something does not mean it is either legal or moral. And hanging a sign does not make it legal to do. If you were to hang a sign that says "The owner reserves the right to have sex with any customer", it would still not be legal to do so (without their consent)
 
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sangha said:
You said that real estate laws have rights. You were wrong

Again
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prove it!

I was talking legal rights under real estate law,. Which are civil privileges.

you have been wrong, over and over and you pronounce me wrong.......please continue next and tell me discrimination is criminal, so I can show your wrong there too.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
The U.S. Supreme Court decided in Roberts v. United States Jaycees (1984) that "implicit in the right to engage in activities protected by the First Amendment" is "a corresponding right to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends."[220] In Roberts the Court held that associations may not exclude people for reasons unrelated to the group's expression, such as gender.

along with the right to associate is also disssociate.

these are RIGHTS...again RIGHTS. why do you believe you can created laws, to violate RIGHTS of people because you just don't like how they behave towards another person?
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Your own post just contradicted what you believe, and you don't even realize it:
In Roberts the Court held that associations may not exclude people for reasons unrelated to the group's expression, such as gender.
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WHen it comes to businesses, the businesses expression is to make money by selling goods or services to the public. Race is unrelated to the business's expression
 
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ernst barkmann said:
prove it!

I was talking legal rights under real estate law,. Which are civil privileges.

you have been wrong, over and over and you pronounce me wrong.......please continue next and tell me discrimination is criminal, so I can show your wrong there too.
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Laws don't have rights. Only people have rights
 
sangha said:
refusing to serve black people is a racist policy
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Of course it is. Duh.

sangha said:
AM I the only one who has noticed that the supporters of racism...
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Don't actually exist in this stupid thread which you obviously made only to flame and racebait and namecall anyone who dares disagree with your political opinion?

Yes, it has been noticed.

No one in this thread has offered any support for racism.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you want laws to be created by how it makes you feel on the basis of emotion, and laws cannot be make according to that test.

Laws based on emotion, will voilate the rights of people evertytime.
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Um, last I looked those classes of people are still protected from discrimination laws and I don't really care if a merchant feels violated selling goods/services to a person they find unpleasant due to their prejudices. It's just a sacrifice they will have to make to treat all humans like humans.
 
People have the legal right to have bigoted and racist beliefs. They don't have to right to impose their bigoted or racist beliefs on others relative to any given laws that prohibit such.
 
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sangha said:
Your own post just contradicted what you believe, and you don't even realize it:


WHen it comes to businesses, the businesses expression is to make money by selling goods or services to the public. Race is unrelated to the business's expression
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U.S. Supreme Court decided in Roberts v. United States Jaycees (1984) that "implicit in the right to engage in activities protected by the First Amendment" is "a corresponding right to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends."[220] In Roberts the Court held that associations may not exclude people for reasons unrelated to the group's expression, such as gender.

i did not talk about the case of this organization, in my post i talked about rights.

right of association

the point i made is that the court stated you have a right to association, per the 1st amendment, which you do not acknowledge.

so i posted something that the court stated, was a 1st amendment right.

this is not a business case, so why are you turning it into a business case by your statement?......the case is about club membership.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
U.S. Supreme Court decided in Roberts v. United States Jaycees (1984) that "implicit in the right to engage in activities protected by the First Amendment" is "a corresponding right to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends."[220]
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Commerce is not a first amendment right.
 
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sangha said:
What you said is that easement is a right of the law.

You're wrong. Laws don't have rights
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YOU ARE WRONG....you need to go way back in this thread....where Maggie, stated to me, government had rights.

i stated in a rebuttal, government does not have rights........... ONLY PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS.

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ernst barkmann said:
rights belong to man..flesh and blood, powers belong to government..powers can be repealed, by the people.....rights cannot be repealed.
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so how can i say what you claim?
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ernst barkmann said:
YOU ARE WRONG....you need to go way back in this thread....where Maggie, stated to me, government had rights.

i stated in a rebuttal, government does not have rights........... ONLY PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS.

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so how can i say what you claim?
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Because you said it

ernst barkmann said:
there you go nothing, it not a right of the people, its right of real estate law.
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Laws don't have rights
 
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