DO I support racism?[W:433]

[sangha]

This question is being asked for an concrete argument relating to another thread.

Suppose someone sets up an organization that advocates for a constitutional amendment that allows any and all businesses to refuse service to people based on their race.

Does this scenario alone mean I support racism?

 

[ecofarm]

Re: DO I support racism?

Yes, but it doesn't mean you're a racist. You could just be an idiot.

 

[Ray410]

Re: DO I support racism?

In order to get uniformly applied answers, you need to provide a definition of racism. If you're going to allow answers based on "Racism is whatever you think it is" then the argument will simply go on, hither and yon, forever.

 

[a351]

Re: DO I support racism?

In order to get uniformly applied answers, you need to provide a definition of racism.

Refusing to serve certain customers due to their race is a fairly straightforward example wouldn't you say?

 

[Joby]

Re: DO I support racism?

Not necessarily, though I agree with the laws existence due to the fact that most people who would invoke their ability to deny service to members of a particular race would be doing so for racist reasons. And I am perfectly OK with banning ones right to do so (the right to deny service based on race) because of this.

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

It means you support first amendment rights.

 

[Henrin]

Re: DO I support racism?

No, it could easily mean they are out to protect the business owners right to association, property, and labor.

 

[RiverDad]

Re: DO I support racism?

Yes, but it doesn't mean you're a racist. You could just be an idiot.

Funny.

 

[Ray410]

Re: DO I support racism?

Refusing to serve certain customers due to their race is a fairly straightforward example wouldn't you say?

No, racism requires intent. Your example disallows intent.

This is how things go wrong without a definition of terms, suddenly emotion is mistaken for reason.

 

[MaggieD]

Re: DO I support racism?

This question is being asked for an concrete argument relating to another thread.

Suppose someone sets up an organization that advocates for a constitutional amendment that allows any and all businesses to refuse service to people based on their race.

Does this scenario alone mean I support racism?

Absolutely not.

In fact, we needed laws to force people to do it -- because it infringes on a business owner's right to withhold service at his/her discretion. Some of our freedoms were taken away with Civil Rights Laws. This was one: the right of a business owner to refuse service for any reason at all.

 

[a351]

Re: DO I support racism?

Anyhow, in response to the actual poll, Yes. Whether that is the individuals stated goal is largely irrelevant to the actual consequences.

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

I am perfectly OK with banning ones right

Typical liberal.

 

[RiverDad]

Re: DO I support racism?

What the hell is it about this issue that so confuses liberals? Here is the free speech analog -"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

If you support someone's right to say something you disagree with does your support mean that you now suddenly agree with what has been spoken by someone else?

 

[sangha]

Re: DO I support racism?

Absolutely not.

In fact, we needed laws to force people to do it -- because it infringes on a business owner's right to withhold service at his/her discretion. Some of our freedoms were taken away with Civil Rights Laws. This was one: the right of a business owner to refuse service for any reason at all.

Businesses never had that right

 

[sangha]

Re: DO I support racism?

What the hell is it about this issue that so confuses liberals? Here is the free speech analog -"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

If you support someone's right to say something you disagree with does your support mean that you now suddenly agree with what has been spoken by someone else?

"I disapprove of child molestation, but I will defend to the death your right to molest children"

 

[Henrin]

Re: DO I support racism?

"I disapprove of child molestation, but I will defend to the death your right to molest children"

That is a pretty brainless comparison you just made there.

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

Businesses never had that right

Did you skip every history class in grade school to smoke weed?

 

[a351]

Re: DO I support racism?

"I disapprove of child molestation, but I will defend to the death your right to molest children"

Somebody might sig that :lol:

 

[Joby]

Re: DO I support racism?

That is a pretty brainless comparison you just made there.

Oh please. It's nice when someone applies Libertarian thinking to real world ****.

Typical liberal.

Oh please. You ****s would still be hanging niggers from trees and calling it justice if it wasn't for us.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: DO I support racism?

What the hell is it about this issue that so confuses liberals? Here is the free speech analog -"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

If you support someone's right to say something you disagree with does your support mean that you now suddenly agree with what has been spoken by someone else?

False equivalence. Speech doesn't harm society. Racism in public business does.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: DO I support racism?

That is a pretty brainless comparison you just made there.

Hahaha, it was right on.

 

[Gipper]

Re: DO I support racism?

False equivalence. Speech doesn't harm society. Racism in public business does.

So Fred Phelps didn't "harm society"? Gotcha.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Re: DO I support racism?

I voted no - racism (properly defined) is not discrimination of other races/creeds/cultures. It is simply the belief that one race is genetically superior/inferior to another. Don't know why so many people miss the boat on this one....

ex: Negroes living in the south during the Civil War were racists, because they believed they were genetically inferior to their white masters.....
ex: The Nazis believed the German people were genetically superior to the jews - hence, they were racists....

So no, a business that simply discriminates against those it does not like are not racists.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: DO I support racism?

So Fred Phelps didn't "harm society"? Gotcha.

No, he didn't.

Do you think he harmed you?

 

[Joby]

Re: DO I support racism?

Did you skip every history class in grade school to smoke weed?

I remember blacks being 3/5 of a person. You remember that part of US History? (insert dogma about "genius" founding fathers here LoL)

Should we assume you'd like a return of this policy as well? Or does it belong in the dustbin of history (something the Civil Rights Act was meant to help accomplish)?