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Natural selection has to do with what allows a critters to reproduce with more or less success compared to others of its kind. "Survival of the fittest" can impact that when the survival threshold has an impact before breeding occurs, but they're distinct things. (The old people example up thread doesn't have much of an impact on evolution because they were already past breeding age.)Natural Selection says what? :lamo
Natural selection has to do with what allows a critters to reproduce with more or less success compared to others of its kind. "Survival of the fittest" can impact that when the survival threshold has an impact before breeding occurs, but they're distinct things. (The old people example up thread doesn't have much of an impact on evolution because they were already past breeding age.)
The natural selection process has led us to where we are today. Groups of people who didn't work together and take care of one another all died off.
As you acknowledged by your silence on the matter, there's not some outside influence that renders what actually exists un-"natural." The evolutionary pressures that exist and existed created what we are. So far, it seems to be working quite well. Humans would prob'ly be classified as "of least concern" conservationally.
Fail? What does "fail" mean in an evolutionary sense? Are you sure you're not making some sort of morality judgment?Instead of promoting self reliance and then taking care of those TRULY IN NEED we instead continue to enable healthy and capable people to fail.
I am not sure that any one of us has the necessary wisdom and foresight to make the distinction about who "should" and who "should not" breed--at least not if we try to make "should" an objective, scientific judgment. We don't know what our future evolutionary pressures will be. We can decide who each of us willing to reproduce with.Thems what shouldnt be procreating are doing it like bunnies.
Fail? What does "fail" mean in an evolutionary sense? Are you sure you're not making some sort of morality judgment?
I am not sure that any one of us has the necessary wisdom and foresight to make the distinction about who "should" and who "should not" breed--at least not if we try to make "should" an objective, scientific judgment. We don't know what our future evolutionary pressures will be. We can decide who each of us willing to reproduce with.
If we resort to the moral judgments you're ostensibly avoiding, then your case for being able to determine who should and should not breed becomes easier to defend.
I wonder if the anti-saftey net people, after they got their way, would be complaining about the masses of homeless families living in their parks or living out of their cars by their houses or milling about their schools?
Some Swedish economists did a study of living standards between US states vs. EU countries, and they found the top EU countries were in the bottom 5 of US states. Not surprising if you've lived in the EU. Upward mobility is tougher in the EU.
One tidbit: When you're paying 1.52 Euros per liter of gas (almost $9.00 per gallon), it drives up all prices and makes life generally more difficult.
http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf
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Surprisingly, you seem to have overstated my goal, which is simply to provide temporary assistance to individuals who have fallen on hard times.
Agreed, and that's something we can continue to address. But I would not throw out the baby with the bath water.
[Entitlements are] to maintain permanent poverty.
Is that the stated goal, the ulterior motive or the unintended consequences?
it's the reality of what happens :shrug:
What entitlements, specifically? It's easy to lump them all together, but they are not all the same. Are we talking about state entitlements or federal? I really don't think Social Security and Medicaid "keeps people poor", but certainly other programs, such as public housing blocs have had the opposite of the intended effect. So let's clear up which ones we are speaking about specifically.
social security isn't really an entitlement, since most people have actually paid into the system.
Is that the stated goal, the ulterior motive or the unintended consequences?
social security isn't really an entitlement, since most people have actually paid into the system.
Well, lots of people consider that to be an entitlement, but that's really just a matter of opinion whether it is or not.
But which ones specifically are you addressing when you say they tend to keep people poor?
SS is an entitlement, by definition, insofar as it is not discretionary spending. That's what entitlement means.
that's just stupid. anything that is not discretionary spending is an entitlement? oh really..... :lamo
Just saw on tv that the poverty level in 1965 was 14.3%. Today's poverty level is 14%. So, after trillions of dollars spent on entitlements, they don't help the poor get out of poverty. All they do is maintain the poor under the Democrat's wings during elections. Democrats don't care about u, they just use it as a gimmick for your vote.
I would think an uninteded consequence. I'm not big on conspiracy theories.
Just saw on tv that the poverty level in 1965 was 14.3%. Today's poverty level is 14%. So, after trillions of dollars spent on entitlements, they don't help the poor get out of poverty. All they do is maintain the poor under the Democrat's wings during elections. Democrats don't care about u, they just use it as a gimmick for your vote.
anyone care to guess what most of the countries that are doing better than the US all have in common?
Iceland
Norway
Switzerland
Denmark
Netherlands
Sweden
Based on what I hear from the right those are socialist liberal hell-holes. So I'm assuming it has something to do with that?
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