Do Democratic leaders depend on racial division?

[Captain America]

I do believe the democrats depend on the votes from people the MAGA types hate on. It's "suck-up" vs. "ridicule." I am reminded of a saying involving bees, sugar and vinegar.

But I still see most white democrats and white republicans alike, living in white suburbs with manicured lawns and cul de sacs.

Whether it's the democrats garnering votes with their "Give us your tired and hungry/woke/equality" approach or if it's the republican, "Messkins are rapin' our white women/racial fear mongering approach" they all play the race cards to the hilt.

It does seem to be getting a bit better I suppose, racially. But no one seems to be really into color blind emersion to any significant degree.

At the end of the day, regardless of all this fashionable wokeism, other than the "token" guest seen on occasion, most folks are still tribal, all across the spectrum. The white folks muster among white folks and black folks muster around black folks, and so forth.

I'm sure the republicans wouldn't turn away black votes but to court the black vote would cost them more white votes than they would pick-up. So the beat goes on.

 

[Nickyjo]

Thank you for your response and yes, I agree. There are several posts where I have stated that Trump is also the problem. We need to move on from anybody who uses hatred, division, anger and fear mongering, including him and the Dems of my OP. America needs to unite. Maybe I'm being naive but I think it's possible. We just need the right person to do it. I like Tim Scott and think he has the potential but I am open to others.
The question is: Have hate and division become so rampant on both sides that unity is impossible? I say no but I do fear I may be wrong. Still, things have improved greatly since the 1860s. Things have improved greatly since the 1960s. Despite Joe saying whites want Blacks back in chains.

Though a left-winger, I would like to see a politics where minorities were not disproportionately democrats, as that might mean that racial issues had diminished and that we all voted on kitchen table and foreign policy issues. What was discouraging to me had been the mild response to Trump’s bigoted comments. Among the lesser known was his tweeting info suggesting that black were responsible for 80% or so of homicides of whites. Such blatant fear-mongering should have produced outrage from all quarters of the GOP.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Not at all. This is not a symmetric situation at all. Objectively. Stop the gaslighting.

Why do you think today's KKK, neo-Nazis, and neo-Confederates only vote for Republican candidates?

The racist Charlottesville rally organized by nazis and populated by the Klan and other white nationalists was called, by the organizers, the "unite the RIGHT" rally, not unite the left rally, for a reason.

They know which side they are on.

 

[Roger Duke]

I wonder if the op is just projecting his own inner feelings onto democrats? Thinking everyone has the same bias as himself.

Either that or he has quite an imagination.

No, I just watch CNN and listen to how happy Democratic leaders are when they cry "Racism, racism, racism!" They love racism, hate and division and are constantly fear mongering. It's clearly a plan to retain power. Zero imagination is needed. Open eyes are.
Did you know it is now racist to use the word "field"? They do whatever it takes to throw fire on the flames. Everything is racist.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I have no doubt that Democrats here on DP would love to live in an America where there was no racial division. But the average Democrat on the street is not attending meetings with elite Democratic strategists who determine what is best for the party's long term success. In fact, they have no say so at all in that strategy.
Joe Biden has certainly made plenty of racially charged remarks in his career and has managed to survive them so far. It must drive other Democratic leaders crazy when he goes off script. He has increasingly shown how important racial division is to the Democratic Party. Is this just Joe being Joe or is he leaking out actual strategy because he simply isn't as sharp as he used to be?
Saying that there are people who want to put Blacks back in chains sure seems like a comment meant to keep racial division alive.
Telling Blacks that they aren't Black if they don't vote for Democrats sure sounds like political strategy.
But the latest one seems more revealing. The quote where he said that he might be a white boy but he's not stupid wasn't the alarming part. His next words were "I know where the power is."
That makes a lot of sense in terms of strategy. If the nation can remain divided racially in the long term, that would help the Democratic Party retain power.
While the good Democrats here on DP would love racial harmony; people of color turning Republican is the biggest fear of Democratic elites. No wonder they fan the flames of hate and division at every opportunity.
Keep going off script Joe. We can't wait to hear what comes next.....not sure Dem elites feel the same. So what do you folks think? Is racial division an actual strategy or is this just Joe being Joe and we shouldn't take his words seriously?

No, but the Republican party is engaging in proto American fascism of a major party and the lost cause.

 

[Nickyjo]

No, I just watch CNN and listen to how happy Democratic leaders are when they cry "Racism, racism, racism!" They love racism, hate and division and are constantly fear mongering. It's clearly a plan to retain power. Zero imagination is needed. Open eyes are.
Did you know it is now racist to use the word "field"? They do whatever it takes to throw fire on the flames. Everything is racist.

True, democrats get into silly grammatical debates over this term or that term. While that are fiddling with the English department, real hard core bigotry is with some republicans who don’t mince words. Trump, of course. And DeSantis picks up migrants fleeing a left-wing regime and deposits them in Martha’s Vineyard just to spite liberals who want to honor silly ratified treaties and U.S. law since 1980. Slavery, you ask? Didn’t that guy Spartacus deal with it? 1619? Frank Gifford’s and Johnny Unitas’s numbers are all that reminds me of. The guy is presidential material.

 

[Roger Duke]

I'm sure the republicans wouldn't turn away black votes but to court the black vote would cost them more white votes than they would pick-up. So the beat goes on.

That was an impressive post. I don't agree with this part though.
Let's just say Tim Scott wins the nomination to run for president. A few Republican racists wouldn't vote for him because he is Black. But they wouldn't turn Democrat and vote for whoever runs on the Democratic ticket; be it Joe Biden or another white guy like John Fetterman. They just wouldn't vote at all. But think of the people who would vote for Tim Scott over Biden or Fetterman, who otherwise wouldn't have voted GOP.....especially moderates and independents who always determine elections.
And I guarantee Tim Scott would never say "If you don't vote for me you ain't Black"

 

[Roger Duke]

True, democrats get into silly grammatical debates over this term or that term. While that are fiddling with the English department, real hard core bigotry is with some republicans who don’t mince words.

We are finding common ground here. If you go back to the OP you will notice that the title is NOT "Democrats are Bigger Racists than Republicans". I agree that the Republican Party contains more racists. I'm not happy about that.
(I also think that it's not just whites who can be racist too, despite what CNN tells us).
If you read the first sentence of the OP, you will see that I also do not blame the average Democrat on the street or on DP.
The blame lies squarely with Democratic leaders. They are no better than Donald Trump. Both use hatred, division and fear for political gain.

 

[IQ57]

We are finding common ground here. If you go back to the OP you will notice that the title is NOT "Democrats are Bigger Racists than Republicans". I agree that the Republican Party contains more racists. I'm not happy about that.
(I also think that it's not just whites who can be racist too, despite what CNN tells us).
If you read the first sentence of the OP, you will see that I also do not blame the average Democrat on the street or on DP.
The blame lies squarely with Democratic leaders. They are no better than Donald Trump. Both use hatred, division and fear for political gain.

I partially agree. Under current circumstances it seems the Dems have easily taken the lead when it comes to racism. Look at all the propaganda. They own it, and just project it. It’s disgusting. I agree they are exactly the thing they loathe, Donald Trump. They can’t see themselves though. There is practically good in almost all people. The nastiness is coming out though, and quite honestly, they are leagues ahead in the hate, racism, lies and dishonesty game. It’s crazy. They are overtaken by themselves.

Their logical debate is within their own sewing circles of propaganda. They enjoy being nasty and claiming others are the nasty ones. We just need to come together and accept our differences and stop trying to control each other. We need civility. There is still hope. Aren’t we all Americans after all? We are in this together no matter what anyone believes or thinks. The truth will set us all free, with a little peace and love.

 

[IQ57]

Just think. They mercilessly went after Trump and degraded him at every chance and things were still good.

Now with Biden it is all praise as the world burns around us.

See the difference?

Trump made things great and they made it worse.

Biden administration is making things bad and they say he is the best we ever had.

How sickening is that?

They ruined it under Trump, not Trump. Biden administration ruining it, and they cheer praise after praise and claim not to be brainwashed from the propaganda. It has turned them into zombified monsters, and they don’t even realize it, and heaven forbid trying to be nice and loving to them trying to wake them up from the nightmare they are causing us all to live in with hate and division that they SCREAM is UNITY. It’s crazy/ludicrous.

School is in session. Hopefully lessons have been learned. Time to wake up to reality folks.

 

[Roger Duke]

Just think. They mercilessly went after Trump and degraded him at every chance and things were still good.

Now with Biden it is all praise as the world burns around us.

See the difference?

Trump made things great and they made it worse.

Biden administration is making things bad and they say he is the best we ever had.

How sickening is that?

They ruined it under Trump, not Trump. Biden administration ruining it, and they cheer praise after praise and claim not to be brainwashed from the propaganda. It has turned them into zombified monsters, and they don’t even realize it, and heaven forbid trying to be nice and loving to them trying to wake them up from the nightmare they are causing us all to live in with hate and division that they SCREAM is UNITY. It’s crazy/ludicrous.

School is in session. Hopefully lessons have been learned. Time to wake up to reality folks.

Great post. The mainstream media does the bidding of the Democratic Party and twisted every good thing Trump did into something bad. And now they twist all the bad things Joe has done into something good.
I will give them a little credit though. These past few months they seem to be starting to criticize Biden a little....not nearly enough. They need to start pointing out the obvious strategy he uses in this OP. It's clear to anyone with open eyes. It is amazing how they have given him a pass on all his racist remarks.

 

[rickc]

Hilarious thread.
Projection, projection, projection
Yeah the Democratic party is the racist party

 

[IQ57]

^^Doing what they accuse others of.

No context or debate, just hate and select pictures.

At least they admit that the New Democratic Party is the “more” racist one.

Proving the OP correct 100%

 

[rickc]

^^Doing what they accuse others of.

No context or debate, just hate and select pictures.

At least they admit that the New Democratic Party is the “more” racist one.

Proving the OP correct 100%

Projection

Racist righties who just naturally believe everyone feels the same way they do about race.

 

[Roger Duke]

Projection

Racist righties who just naturally believe everyone feels the same way they do about race.

If you hear something often enough, you can possibly start to believe it, even if it's not true. Democratic leaders don't care about the truth. They care about retaining power. That is why they hammer they same message home day after day, year after year. They use their lap dog, the mainstream media, as their megaphone and, given enough time, their mindless sheep followers believe every word, despite that it is nonsense:
Every white person is a racist.
No person of color is a racist.
Every Republican is a racist.
No Democrat is a racist.

 

[IQ57]

^^This is what the truth looks like.

It’s easy to so see and even easier to embrace.

We are in this together people.

Don’t let partisan bias and propaganda control you.

 

[ralfy]

Enforcing diversity based on skin color is illogical.

 

[IQ57]

Enforcing diversity based on skin color is illogical.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. agrees with you, and so do a lot of people, including me.

 

[Roger Duke]

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. agrees with you, and so do a lot of people, including me.

Biden doesn't agree. It wasn't too long ago that he said he will NOT consider anybody for a Supreme Court nomination if they are Asian, Hispanic, Indigenous or a Black man.

 

[Nickyjo]

We are finding common ground here. If you go back to the OP you will notice that the title is NOT "Democrats are Bigger Racists than Republicans". I agree that the Republican Party contains more racists. I'm not happy about that.
(I also think that it's not just whites who can be racist too, despite what CNN tells us).
If you read the first sentence of the OP, you will see that I also do not blame the average Democrat on the street or on DP.
The blame lies squarely with Democratic leaders. They are no better than Donald Trump. Both use hatred, division and fear for political gain.

I rely for judgement more on policy than on stray statements. And please, Trump leads any league in such pronouncements — a triple crown five-tool player, to use baseball terms. Probably best to pick another republican to measure democrats against. Trump is sui generis.

 

[Roger Duke]

I rely for judgement more on policy than on stray statements. And please, Trump leads any league in such pronouncements — a triple crown five-tool player, to use baseball terms. Probably best to pick another republican to measure democrats against. Trump is sui generis.

Trump is hard to defend in terms of rudeness so I won't. When you look at some of the rude things Biden has said they are hard to defend too. Just look at the OP. If what you are saying is that both old white guys use racism, rudeness, hate and division to their political benefit, I will agree. If you are saying Trump is better at it, I will reluctantly agree. Since Democrats have clearly adopted Trump's strategy in this regard, look for them to ramp it up if what happens in post 301 continues to happen, and people of color start to get more interested in the GOP.
Any politician like Biden who has been spent that past half century becoming an elite multi-millionairre off the backs of taxpayers, is not as squeaky clean as liberals here on DP believe. I suspect you are an exception.

 

[Nickyjo]

Trump is hard to defend in terms of rudeness so I won't. When you look at some of the rude things Biden has said they are hard to defend too. Just look at the OP. If what you are saying is that both old white guys use racism, rudeness, hate and division to their political benefit, I will agree. If you are saying Trump is better at it, I will reluctantly agree. Since Democrats have clearly adopted Trump's strategy in this regard, look for them to ramp it up if what happens in post 301 continues to happen, and people of color start to get more interested in the GOP.
Any politician like Biden who has been spent that past half century becoming an elite multi-millionairre off the backs of taxpayers, is not as squeaky clean as liberals here on DP believe. I suspect you are an exception.

The only quarrel I have is with the broad statement that the parties are the same. Minorities continue to vote overwhelmingly for democrats, and there is strong circumstantial evidence that while parts of the GOP want to reach out to those communities on social issues, other parts took advantage of the Supremes’ decision on the 1965 Voting Rights Act to make it harder for them to vote.

 

[Roger Duke]

The only quarrel I have is with the broad statement that the parties are the same. Minorities continue to vote overwhelmingly for democrats, and there is strong circumstantial evidence that while parts of the GOP want to reach out to those communities on social issues, other parts took advantage of the Supremes’ decision on the 1965 Voting Rights Act to make it harder for them to vote.

Did you see post 301? Political tides are very slow to move. So are social ones. Democrats have reason to be concerned. I suspect that is why they are turning up the heat as mentioned in the OP.
When you have the sitting VP of the United States say she will bail out Black arsonists if the fire they started was for political purposes, you know something weird is happening.

 

[Nickyjo]

Did you see post 301? Political tides are very slow to move. So are social ones. Democrats have reason to be concerned. I suspect that is why they are turning up the heat as mentioned in the OP.
When you have the sitting VP of the United States say she will bail out Black arsonists if the fire they started was for political purposes, you know something weird is happening.

As I recall, she suggested people contribute to bond funds for the demonstrators. Somehow I don’t think that she was endorsing arson, tho much like Trump’s ambivalent words on Jan 6, if one is inclined to interpret them that way….

I looked on line, and conservative sites said she wanted to bail out those who did damage, including murderers. Other sites who evaluate such claims from left and right responded with “not really” or “needs context.”

Having been in demos where some people turn violent, I know that police are not always super careful as to whom they arrest or rough up. So suggesting what I believe she did, contributions to bail funds might be appropriate.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Enforcing diversity based on skin color is illogical.

Enforcing diversity is very logical, as better decisions are made by more diverse groups. And the easiest way to ensure do serity of experience and culture is to look at skin color.

Which should come as no surprise, as the lack of diversity was enforced for centuries, based on skin color. It continues even I. The modern era and today (look at the GOP politicians for a good example). So, naturally, the correction looks at skin color.

So yes, it's very logical. And effective.