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DNI will no longer brief Congress in person on election security over leak concerns

Aunt Antifa said:
These aren’t children being refused dessert and the intelligence gathered isn’t the property of the administration. It belongs to the people.

Neither DNI Radcliffe nor Trump have any legal authority to withhold info, and without oral examination, there is no means to know if our government is lying to us about intelligence generated with *our* blood and treasure.

If you guys don’t even believe in a *republic* anymore, you should probably just say that.


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You still don't seem to understand what "classified" means.

Moving on...
 
Mycroft said:
Well, if the DNI sends a letter saying "Nuttin goin on anywhere. Happy Labor Dayz!”, then Congress can pass that on to the public. If you have questions about that, send them in to your Congressmen and they can pass them on to the DNI. I'm sure the DNI will give them the answers you are looking for.

But your example is hyperbole that doesn't reflect reality. The DNI isn't going to send that kind of letter. He'll send a report that will be complete, though without classified information. If the Congressmen want more...and if they have the proper clearance...they can ask for more. But you...who doesn't have the proper clearance...won't get that classified information.

Sorry about that.
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Hyperbole is insisting that removing a briefing is keeping the briefing the same as before.

I don’t need to, I vote for people I trust to review, and ask questions. That’s how our government works.

And I ain’t sorry about any of it.


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Mycroft said:
You still don't seem to understand what "classified" means.

Moving on...
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I wasn’t arguing about classification.

If you can’t hang with the convo, then sure, you may go.


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Aunt Antifa said:
I wasn’t arguing about classification.

If you can’t hang with the convo, then sure, you may go.


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But thats the topic. The classified intel the DNI has been presenting to congress. It does belong to the people. And the people decided that some of the intel should only be seen by some of their representatives.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It's not so much the meaning of the term "classified," as it is who does the classifying.
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No. Who does the classifying doesn't matter. You don't get to know it until it IS declassified.
 
Mycroft said:
No. Who does the classifying doesn't matter. You don't get to know it until it IS declassified.
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So, anyone can keep whatever they want a secret? Is that how government is supposed to be?
 
Mycroft said:
That's how it is...whether you like it or not.
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Personally, I'd rather live in a democracy in which people are informed, but that's just me.
Of course, we have to keep certain secrets, mostly about military actions and weapons, but not just anything should be a secret.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Personally, I'd rather live in a democracy in which people are informed, but that's just me.
Of course, we have to keep certain secrets, mostly about military actions and weapons, but not just anything should be a secret.
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And we have to keep secrets about intelligence matters.

But hey...you have the right to your opinion, even if it's wrong.
 
Mycroft said:
And we have to keep secrets about intelligence matters.

But hey...you have the right to your opinion, even if it's wrong.
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and you have a right to yours, even under the same conditions.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Personally, I'd rather live in a democracy in which people are informed, but that's just me.
Of course, we have to keep certain secrets, mostly about military actions and weapons, but not just anything should be a secret.
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Well you dont. You live in a Republic where we choose representatives to be informed. You dont have to like it, though.
 
jonny5 said:
Well you dont. You live in a Republic where we choose representatives to be informed. You dont have to like it, though.
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Right, right, and as long as the electorate remains ignorant, we'll continue to elect the same representatives over and over.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Right, right, and as long as the electorate remains ignorant, we'll continue to elect the same representatives over and over.
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Classified info is the least of that problem. They dont even know whats in actual public documents like the constitution. Maybe start there instead of national security secrets.
 
jonny5 said:
Classified info is the least of that problem. They dont even know whats in actual public documents like the constitution. Maybe start there instead of national security secrets.
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Now, there's a point of agreement.

Not that all of the classified documents are really "national security threats."
 
Dittohead not! said:
Now, there's a point of agreement.

Not that all of the classified documents are really "national security threats."
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Well, thats up to our reps to decide. Thats why we elect them. As you pointed out, regular people are too ignorant to do it.
 
jonny5 said:
Well, thats up to our reps to decide. Thats why we elect them. As you pointed out, regular people are too ignorant to do it.
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You just have a higher opinion of our elected representatives than I have.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You just have a higher opinion of our elected representatives than I have.
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No, just an even lower opinion of the average person. If youre saying YOU want to see this information and YOU wont leak it, then I would probably trust YOU. I dont trust the public. And I dont trust congress either. But secrets are easier kept the less people know.
 
Mycroft said:
And we have to keep secrets about intelligence matters.

But hey...you have the right to your opinion, even if it's wrong.
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Trump doesn’t keep secrets about intelligence matters. He briefs Putin directly.
 
jonny5 said:
No, just an even lower opinion of the average person. If youre saying YOU want to see this information and YOU wont leak it, then I would probably trust YOU. I dont trust the public. And I dont trust congress either. But secrets are easier kept the less people know.
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Absolutely! If it's something that should be kept secret, like a cool new nuclear weapon's program, then the fewer people that know, the better. If it's a political scandal, then that should be known. The real issue is, what should be kept secret, and what shouldn't?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Absolutely! If it's something that should be kept secret, like a cool new nuclear weapon's program, then the fewer people that know, the better. If it's a political scandal, then that should be known. The real issue is, what should be kept secret, and what shouldn't?
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Run for office and you can decide.
 
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