DNC rejects medicare for all

[Casper]

'History Will Not Judge This Kindly': DNC Platform Committee Votes Down Medicare for All Amendment | Common Dreams News

This action helps demonstrate how similar the Dems and Repubs are.

By this metric, Joe is the same as Donald.

So you are For Medicare for all?

 

[Thoreau72]

Bernie Sanders was pushing for medicare for all. I think it's a great idea, just not realistic at this time. I believe Joe will be fine.

Oh yeah, Joe is nothing like Donald. Seems like Donald's agenda is to destroy. I'm still wondering when MAGA is going to happen.

Why do you see it as not realistic at this time?

 

[Thoreau72]

So you are For Medicare for all?

Yes, and free education for all, including debt forgiveness for all those youngsters now burdened for the rest of their lives with massive unemployment and a very weak economy for the foreseeable future.

 

[Casper]

Yes, and free education for all, including debt forgiveness for all those youngsters now burdened for the rest of their lives with massive unemployment and a very weak economy for the foreseeable future.

Really? Never took you for a Bernie follower, learn something new every day.

 

[Thoreau72]

The M4A concept (as presented in HR 676) should be rejected because it seeks to outlaw private, for-profit (aka capitalist) providers of medical care goods/services.

Because my father was a physician, I do not really object to for profit medical care, and I do currently participate in that system because that's all we have.

That said, it is a very poor model, and one of the ironies of Plandemic is that compared to the model used and demonstrated by China at the beginning of this fiasco, our for profit model failed miserably in terms of public health, even though it succeeded greatly at plundering the US Treasury.

 

[ludin]

Joe is not that far from Trump. I have long said that Trump is the status quo without brakes or filter. With Joe you won't get the embarrassing tweets and it will be a little less contentious, but it's not like we'd get some radically different government. The government is where it is today because of the status quo.

Instead you will get incomprehensible tweets that make no sense and probably have nothing to do with what is going on.
LOL this is a guy that challenges people to push ups when they ask him tough questions. lol

 

[Greenbeard]

Instead you will get incomprehensible tweets that make no sense and probably have nothing to do with what is going on.

We have that now.

 

[ludin]

There is a good chunk of the DNC that doesn't support M4A because it is a crappy idea that will be hung around their necks like a dead albatross.

Of course it was a horrible plan. SO far any government run healthcare is a horrible horrible idea.

 

[Thoreau72]

Really? Never took you for a Bernie follower, learn something new every day.

Never judge a book by its cover.

I wanted to vote for Bernie in the last 2 cycles, but the Russians told me to vote for Donald, so I didn't.

 

[vegas giants]

Of course it was a horrible plan. SO far any government run healthcare is a horrible horrible idea.

That is factually incorrect. People love Medicare

 

[Drawdown]

Of course it was a horrible plan. SO far any government run healthcare is a horrible horrible idea.

I was told that Indiana actually had a decent state run program once but people refused to participate at levels to keep it viable.

 

[Ikari]

Instead you will get incomprehensible tweets that make no sense and probably have nothing to do with what is going on.
LOL this is a guy that challenges people to push ups when they ask him tough questions. lol

Sadly, those tweets are preferable to what we have now. The bar was set so low, it's now challenging the Mariana Trench for the deepest object on earth.

 

[ludin]

I was told that Indiana actually had a decent state run program once but people refused to participate at levels to keep it viable.

That is the problem with ponzi scheme's you run out of other peoples money.

The better bet is to soley rely on that one thing that makes the world turn money.
When it comes to medical care cash is king.

I have done so much research on this from financial analysts and others to confirm that the best laid plans for a medical system is cash.

There are some reforms that have to happen.

1. The charge masters at hospitals needs to change and reflect actual normal cost + profit formula's.
2. The drug company middlemen need to go away those people drive up the cost of drugs so badly it isn't funny.
3. we need to redo our patent laws on drugs etc ...

there are a few system changes but a national HSA system in which insurance only covers things like surgies, cancers etc ... would lower costs greatly.
you pay for your day to day care with your HSA.

Cash prices must be published and clear in full view of what actually was done.

That is like when my wife went to have our last baby the doctor came in to do the epidural. He opened an entire kit and i had to pay for the entire
kit not the 3 items he used out of the kit.

We got to talking and he told me that he had to help a lady with a bad broken ankle. it took 5 screws.
the hospital pays like 3 bucks for the screws they charged her almost 200-300 per screw.

on top of everything else. that is where the real reform needs to occur.

a full cash based system would help eliminate that.

 

[Thoreau72]

Speaking of running out of other people's money, the amount missing from Pentagon coffers is approximately equal to the national debt.

Scamdemic will change those numbers a bit.

 

[vegas giants]

That is the problem with ponzi scheme's you run out of other peoples money.

The better bet is to soley rely on that one thing that makes the world turn money.
When it comes to medical care cash is king.

I have done so much research on this from financial analysts and others to confirm that the best laid plans for a medical system is cash.

There are some reforms that have to happen.

1. The charge masters at hospitals needs to change and reflect actual normal cost + profit formula's.
2. The drug company middlemen need to go away those people drive up the cost of drugs so badly it isn't funny.
3. we need to redo our patent laws on drugs etc ...

there are a few system changes but a national HSA system in which insurance only covers things like surgies, cancers etc ... would lower costs greatly.
you pay for your day to day care with your HSA.

Cash prices must be published and clear in full view of what actually was done.

That is like when my wife went to have our last baby the doctor came in to do the epidural. He opened an entire kit and i had to pay for the entire
kit not the 3 items he used out of the kit.

We got to talking and he told me that he had to help a lady with a bad broken ankle. it took 5 screws.
the hospital pays like 3 bucks for the screws they charged her almost 200-300 per screw.

on top of everything else. that is where the real reform needs to occur.

a full cash based system would help eliminate that.

There is no successful country on earth that uses a solely cash based medical system

 

[ludin]

Sadly, those tweets are preferable to what we have now. The bar was set so low, it's now challenging the Mariana Trench for the deepest object on earth.

you guys nominated biden.
you didn't learn your lesson from clinton.

you could have beaten trump with anyone other than clinton.
you could beat trump with anyone than biden.

I have a bad feelings about biden losing this thing.
at some point in time he is going to have to debate trump.

it is not going to end well for him.

 

[Ikari]

you guys nominated biden.
you didn't learn your lesson from clinton.

you could have beaten trump with anyone other than clinton.
you could beat trump with anyone than biden.

I have a bad feelings about biden losing this thing.
at some point in time he is going to have to debate trump.

it is not going to end well for him.

What do you mean "you guys"? I didn't nominate Biden.

lol

 

[Perotista]

Joe is not that far from Trump. I have long said that Trump is the status quo without brakes or filter. With Joe you won't get the embarrassing tweets and it will be a little less contentious, but it's not like we'd get some radically different government. The government is where it is today because of the status quo.

I don't think there'll be any massive changes for a couple of reasons. 1. Most Americans don't like to be taken out of their comfort zone. They're fine with little steps at a time, but not the gigantic ones. You seen this with the ACA back in 09 and 10. Most Americans were against it. The ACA took most of them out of their comfort zone and left them in unsure land. Hence the 63 seat pick up by the GOP in the House along with 8 senate seats.

And 2, both major parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, Wall Street Firms, lobbyist, special interest groups, mega money donors etc. That is where they get their tens and at times hundreds of million of dollars for their campaigns and running their organizations. Sure, candidates will talk bad about those moneyed folks time to time, but it is always with a wink and a nod.

you can also add Bill Clinton to number 1 as another example, his attempt at health care reform in 1993, once again threatening to take most Americans out of their comfort zone with one gigantic leap, not small steps. That resulted in the Democrats losing both chambers of congress in 1994, both the house and the senate reverted to Republican control for the first time in 40 years.

I do think govern run health care is inevitable whatever form it takes. It's just a matter of time.

 

[cabse5]

Joe is not that far from Trump. I have long said that Trump is the status quo without brakes or filter. With Joe you won't get the embarrassing tweets and it will be a little less contentious, but it's not like we'd get some radically different government. The government is where it is today because of the status quo.

How do Trump and Biden agree on green energy? On the US's relationship with China?

 

[Ikari]

I don't think there'll be any massive changes for a couple of reasons. 1. Most Americans don't like to be taken out of their comfort zone. They're fine with little steps at a time, but not the gigantic ones. You seen this with the ACA back in 09 and 10. Most Americans were against it. The ACA took most of them out of their comfort zone and left them in unsure land. Hence the 63 seat pick up by the GOP in the House along with 8 senate seats.

And 2, both major parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, Wall Street Firms, lobbyist, special interest groups, mega money donors etc. That is where they get their tens and at times hundreds of million of dollars for their campaigns and running their organizations. Sure, candidates will talk bad about those moneyed folks time to time, but it is always with a wink and a nod.

you can also add Bill Clinton to number 1 as another example, his attempt at health care reform in 1993, once again threatening to take most Americans out of their comfort zone with one gigantic leap, not small steps. That resulted in the Democrats losing both chambers of congress in 1994, both the house and the senate reverted to Republican control for the first time in 40 years.

I do think govern run health care is inevitable whatever form it takes. It's just a matter of time.

There may be changes to healthcare eventually, if it can be made to benefit the insurance companies well enough. The biggest reason I don't think we'll see some big difference between Trump and Biden is your #2. Both sides of the Republocrats are for the entrenching of the Corporate State and serving their Corporate Overlords.

 

[Deuce]

Why do you see it as not realistic at this time?

Besides the GOP-controlled Senate?

 

[Drawdown]

That is the problem with ponzi scheme's you run out of other peoples money.

The better bet is to soley rely on that one thing that makes the world turn money.
When it comes to medical care cash is king.

I have done so much research on this from financial analysts and others to confirm that the best laid plans for a medical system is cash.

There are some reforms that have to happen.

1. The charge masters at hospitals needs to change and reflect actual normal cost + profit formula's.
2. The drug company middlemen need to go away those people drive up the cost of drugs so badly it isn't funny.
3. we need to redo our patent laws on drugs etc ...

there are a few system changes but a national HSA system in which insurance only covers things like surgies, cancers etc ... would lower costs greatly.
you pay for your day to day care with your HSA.

Cash prices must be published and clear in full view of what actually was done.

That is like when my wife went to have our last baby the doctor came in to do the epidural. He opened an entire kit and i had to pay for the entire
kit not the 3 items he used out of the kit.

We got to talking and he told me that he had to help a lady with a bad broken ankle. it took 5 screws.
the hospital pays like 3 bucks for the screws they charged her almost 200-300 per screw.

on top of everything else. that is where the real reform needs to occur.

a full cash based system would help eliminate that.

It isn't a ponzi scheme. It is just flat out racketeering the system we have. Nonetheless, to the extent we have insurance, we can have something more workable. We need to begin with taking all the mandatory "free" out of the system and start with catastrophic coverage and working our way down.