Dixie Chicks round 3 (1 Viewer)

[Stinger]

Not having put thier feet in their mouths enough times already the Chicks are at it again.

""The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism," Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. "Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country… I don't see why people care about patriotism."

Amazing

And

""I think for longevity's sake, our music had to mature and we had to mature as people," says Maguire. "Not that this particular event had to happen, but it sped up the process for us and helped us make a record that's really meaningful to us, whether or not other people see that."

This is an example of their growing up?

The media should take pitty on them and no longer ask any questions except about the music and looks, other than that they are clueless.

And let's stipulate from the get-go they have freedom of speech and can say anything they want to say so all the lefties don't even go there.

 

[Kelzie]

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[Volker]

Not having put thier feet in their mouths enough times already the Chicks are at it again.

""The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism," Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. "Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country… I don't see why people care about patriotism."

Amazing

Where's the problem? This is a mature statement.
Do you care about patriotism? Well if you do, sad for you, but this is your thing.

 

[talloulou]

Where's the problem? This is a mature statement.
Do you care about patriotism? Well if you do, sad for you, but this is your thing.

Why sad? The way I see patriotism is if the Earth is attacked by outer space aliens we will all be banded together as "earthlings" in our fight for survival. Likewise if your country is attacked there is a banding together. If your country, state, city, or street has a problem it's in your best interest to band together and work on a solution. It's a sense of community which can be expanded or diminished depending on what you're talking about. Doesn't mean you think your community is better than anothers but sense of community can be a great thing and generally people feel different levels of loyality and commitment to their community at different levels ie family, friends, neighborhood, city, state, country, the planet ect......
Where's the sadness in that? Certainly where you choose to live and raise your family isn't meaningless. If I thought there was a better neighborhood that I could reasonably afford to raise my kids in then I'd move there. Likewise if I ever really felt disconnected from my country and felt I would be happier elsewhere than I'd have no problem changing my alliances and going somewhere else.

I really don't get all this "patriotism is stupid" crap. I think it's a passing fad and just something cool to say like there is no such thing as right or wrong.:rofl

 

[Thorgasm]

Why sad? The way I see patriotism is if the Earth is attacked by outer space aliens we will all be banded together as "earthlings" in our fight for survival. Likewise if your country is attacked there is a banding together. If your country, state, city, or street has a problem it's in your best interest to band together and work on a solution. It's a sense of community which can be expanded or diminished depending on what you're talking about. Doesn't mean you think your community is better than anothers but sense of community can be a great thing and generally people feel different levels of loyality and commitment to their community at different levels ie family, friends, neighborhood, city, state, country, the planet ect......
Where's the sadness in that? Certainly where you choose to live and raise your family isn't meaningless. If I thought there was a better neighborhood that I could reasonably afford to raise my kids in then I'd move there. Likewise if I ever really felt disconnected from my country and felt I would be happier elsewhere than I'd have no problem changing my alliances and going somewhere else.

I really don't get all this "patriotism is stupid" crap. I think it's a passing fad and just something cool to say like there is no such thing as right or wrong.:rofl

This reminds me of an embarrassing speech a president gave at the UN. Perhaps it would be nice to all band together and hate something from outer space. Or maybe we could all band together and be peacefull. I won't hold my breath for either of the two to happen though.

I don't think Natalie knows what patriotism is. I think she misunderstands it to mean "flag waving". I agree with Mark Twain's concept of patriotism. She may be just challenging people to think without ethnocentric bias. I don't think that she is smart enought to put it in those terms though. People love to bash an easy target. They are every bit as easy to put down as the president is.

 

[Volker]

That's not completely true. I'm sure this applies equally in Germany, that, due to what the nation stands for, you are allowed certain opportunities, and if those opportunities go unappreciated and ignored, they have a tendency to vanish.

Yes, I think, this applies to Germany, too.

Patriotism is a double edged sword. Mark Twain described patriotism as supporting your country always, and supporting your government when they deserve it.

Who am I to argue with Mark Twain, especially when he made such an excellent statement :mrgreen:

If you lack patriotism, you lose a driving force to keep fighting to reach the ideal that your country stands for (which also, the merits of this depend on the ideal that your country stands for), but if you equate patriotism with blind faith in everything associated with the state, then you might as well march into the desert and start diggin your own grave.

This might be true, but have a look at these people who describe themselves as patriots.

So, I don't have a problem with what the Dixie Chicks have said. I think in expressing their discontent with President Bush they were doing their duty as Americans to always hold the government responsible to the people, and in questioning the importance of patriotism they motivate true patriots to question and reform what they support and why they support it.

Strange enough, this encouraged self-appointed patriots to act like idiots.

I do have issue with the Dixie Chicks, and this is it. People started questioning whether their first ammendment rights were being violated because people were boycotting their records, and in supporting that argument they supported the creation and the strengthening of blind ignorance. It's the exact same **** as when people started claiming kids booing Anne Coulter violated her first ammendment rights. Anyone with half of a ****ing brain can tell you that someone not listening to you is NOT something you are protected from in the constitution, and supporting retarded interpretations of the constitution amongst a group of people who already know too little about it is a big ****ing problem for me.

You don't like the Dixie Chicks, because there are hillbillies who boycotted their records?

 

[Volker]

Why sad? The way I see patriotism is if the Earth is attacked by outer space aliens we will all be banded together as "earthlings" in our fight for survival. Likewise if your country is attacked there is a banding together. If your country, state, city, or street has a problem it's in your best interest to band together and work on a solution.

You don't need this patriot stuff to do so. Some folklore is ok for me.

Where's the sadness in that? Certainly where you choose to live and raise your family isn't meaningless. If I thought there was a better neighborhood that I could reasonably afford to raise my kids in then I'd move there. Likewise if I ever really felt disconnected from my country and felt I would be happier elsewhere than I'd have no problem changing my alliances and going somewhere else.

Why not? If you go to Switzerland, yoou see a lot of Swiss flags. There are flags from other countries, too, from Greece or Portugal, whereever people came from. This is relaxed and it's something nice.

I really don't get all this "patriotism is stupid" crap. I think it's a passing fad and just something cool to say like there is no such thing as right or wrong.:rofl

Even my morning radio today talked about this topic in the Christian brodcast. They were like, we don't have to be concerned about all these black-red-gold flags during FIFA championships. They were like, they are many Germans who wear Brazilian flags, many Turkish people who wear German flags and so on. They are correct about this one, I noticed, after they said so.

 

[Volker]

This reminds me of an embarrassing speech a president gave at the UN. Perhaps it would be nice to all band together and hate something from outer space. Or maybe we could all band together and be peacefull. I won't hold my breath for either of the two to happen though.

Maybe they tell us, we should band together, because we are from the same galaxy and these guys from other galaxies don't want us to live in freedom.

I don't think Natalie knows what patriotism is. I think she misunderstands it to mean "flag waving". I agree with Mark Twain's concept of patriotism. She may be just challenging people to think without ethnocentric bias. I don't think that she is smart enought to put it in those terms though. People love to bash an easy target. They are every bit as easy to put down as the president is.

I don't know her, but how fair is it to talk this way about a lady?

 

[Thorgasm]

Maybe they tell us, we should band together, because we are from the same galaxy and these guys from other galaxies don't want us to live in freedom.

I don't know her, but how fair is it to talk this way about a lady?

From my observations, she isn't an expert at putting her thoughts together and vocalizing them in an interview when it comes to political issues. Maybe it isn't fair to her, I am not sure that I haven't been fair when I express my opinion. Does she strike you as having above average intelligence?

 

[Volker]

From my observations, she isn't an expert at putting her thoughts together and vocalizing them in an interview when it comes to political issues. Maybe it isn't fair to her, I am not sure that I haven't been fair when I express my opinion. Does she strike you as having above average intelligence?

I have no idea, I have never seen or read an interview with her or so. This patriotism part did not sound bad, but I can not have an opinion about a person after reading five lines.

 

[Stinger]

From my observations, she isn't an expert at putting her thoughts together and vocalizing them in an interview when it comes to political issues. Maybe it isn't fair to her, I am not sure that I haven't been fair when I express my opinion. Does she strike you as having above average intelligence?

Why does Natalie ride around in her car with her head sticking out the window?

Refill.

 

[Captain America]

Why does Natalie ride around in her car with her head sticking out the window?

Refill.

That was GREAT!!! :rofl

 

[Volker]

People always assume up is down, black is white, etc. about everywhere else, but in fact, ****'s a lot more similar than we take note of.

Maybe, but it's not so much for me, because I lived in America for a little while. Sure it doesn't make me an expert or so.

I'm assuming this whole debate didn't take place in Germany (lol, DUH!), so let me clarify.

There was no debate, it was in the news and has been commented and it has been seen as something strange and funny. However, we have our own patriotism debate now, maybe thatt's why I mix things to much.

Back in 2003, when the lead singer of the Dixie Chicks said that whole "President Bush is an embarassment to Texas" or something along those lines, a whole bunch of people went and boycotted the album (I didn't, for two reasons, 1) I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the big deal was, and 2) I wasn't ever intending on buying a Dixie Chicks album anyways, so you can't much boycott something that you weren't already buying).

Yes, this is how I think, too.

As I'm sure you agree, if everyone really gets into a really stupid debate, everyone emerges a little bit dumber, and the level of debate is just a little bit lower. Now, I'm not sure about public discourse in Germany, but here, for the most part, it can't really get any lower, and that is partly because of the Dixie Chicks convincing high school liberals out there that it is somehow possible to violate someone's first ammendment rights by not buying their CD.

I agree. Not buying their CD's does not violate something. But what is about radio stations not playing their music for political reasons? I understand, they are private owned, but if they give directions to DJ's, is that fair?

That's why I dislike the Dixie Chicks as public figures, because they represent ignorant liberal rage, as opposed to productive informed liberal frusteration. I'm not a liberal by any means, but I'd prefer smart liberals fighting for a cause over dumb liberals fighting for something stupid.

Ok, this makes sense to me.

I dislike the Dixie Chicks as a band because they totally butchered "Landslide"

I don't understand what you mean with "Landslide".

 

[Thorgasm]

It was originally done by Fleetwood Mac, and it's a fantastic song, but the Dixie Chicks covered it, and their cover was terrible.

Yeah, what were they thinking? Fleetwood Mac should sue them for desecration of art. :mrgreen:

 

[Volker]

Radio stations have the right to control their image, and, if they're dumb enough to think that playing an anti-Bush group hurts the image they're trying to project, then they have every right to, while the Dixie Chicks have absolutely no more of a right to radio air time as I do, or you do.

Yes, that's true, radio stations can play he music they think fits them best. It's the decision of the respective owners.

It was a song. It was originally done by Fleetwood Mac, and it's a fantastic song, but the Dixie Chicks covered it, and their cover was terrible.

Ok :smile:

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Who cares.. They sucked in round 1.... Sucked in round 2... and round 3 is looking to be very similar to the past

 

[Captain America]

I am no great big fan of the Chixie Dicks but I absolutely LOVE their rendition of Fleetwood Mac's song. But 75% of the reason is that it's such a great song to begin with. I turn up the radio when that one comes on. But when Goodbye Earl comes on, I turn the radio off......:roll:

I'll fly away.....

On the sin wagon.:mrgreen:

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Blue Collar Joe]

Anywho, across these United States, this spawned a debate. The reasonable debate that it should've spawned is "Are the people behind the boycott encouraging groupthink and trying to silence everyone who disagrees with them?"

Anyone that boycotts anything without doing so for personal reasons should go ahead and wear their cowbell, as it is merely the herd mentality, be they on the left side of the fence or the right side.
I boycotted them, and continue to not listen to them because I personally don't like their attitudes nor comments. But I still listen to Fleetwood Mac. They are liberal as well, but they are not political about it.
Those that ran out to buy their album to show 'political support' for them, if they did so because the liberal blogs/pundits call for it, are just as much a sheep as those that never heard their comments and boycotted because Rush said to do so. (I don't know if he did, just making a generalization.)

Instead, we got to debate the question "Are the boycotts violating the Dixie Chicks's first ammendment rights?"

Not in the least. Freedom of Expression goes both ways. As much as they have the right to say anything that they like, the consumers have the right not to buy something they find offensive.
People make porn movies. Does that require that those who disagree with them must go buy them or be guilty of violating someones right to free speech?
Freedom of speech may grant you the right to say what you want, but it does not protect you from the repercussions of your words and any potential reactions they may cause in the marketplace.
I exercised my right to freedom of expression by not buying anything they do.
Radio stations are capitalist enterprises. They make money on advertising, and advertisers buy adds based on listeners.
Most country fans are conservative.
And country fans are notorious for one thing. They have some long memories. You make a country fan annoyed, they will simply quit buying your music.
No media mainstream advertising blitz, no contacting people to gain support. They simply stop listening to you. And if a radio station plays something they don't like, they will change the station.
And usually, not change back unless another station plays the song that drove them off in the first place.
Thus, from a purely financial standpoint, and knowing their customer base, the owners and managers of the radio stations are not going to commit what can be equated to financial suicide willingly.