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Diversity trainers react to Trump’s ban on diversity training in federal agencies

dixon01767 said:
Diversity training makes critical race theory look tame.
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That should of been just the opposite. Critical race theory makes diversity training look tame.
 
Lack of diversity can sometimes be a good thing, it seems.

 
"Diversity Training" is fascist indoctrination, nothing else.

I oppose ANY required courses or testing over ANY social, ideological or political topic. No exceptions.
 
COTO said:
Now all they need to do is end the phrenology training and haruspicy training and they'll have cleared out the worst of the detritus. :unsure:
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Haruspicy training haruspicy training, that's all I ever hear about these days.
 
dixon01767 said:
That's Wallace saying something not Trump and the sentence before your clip begins is

"This month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory."

WALLACE simply labeled white privilege and critical race theory as " racial sensitivity training". Yet another example of Wallace's bias. Both the executive order and letter to all department heads on the subject, didn't as much as contain the phrase "racial sensitivity training". And Wallace speaking the words doesn't make them Trumps words.
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Trump said he ended "it," in response to Wallace's comment about "racial sensitivity training." Trump thus apparently understands his order to end "racial sensitivity training," and thinks "racial sensitivity training" is "racist." You can play semantics and argue he was answering an unasked question or was confused if you want, but your condescending comment "Read the transcript to learn that he never said ANYTHING regarding 'racial sensitivity training'" (capitals yours) is wrong. I'll also note that you linked to the wrong transcript, which suggests you didn't read the transcript yourself....

But even if this exchange could be viewed as somehow ambiguous about what Trump thinks of racial sensitivity training, his ridiculous letter banning training programs that do not actually exist (i.e., those that purportedly teach "that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil") in the middle of a pandemic, economic collapse, and the BLM movement says everything you need to know. This man panders blatantly to racists and it is utterly disgusting that anyone would defend it.
 
Cameron said:
Trump said he ended "it," in response to Wallace's comment about "racial sensitivity training."
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Nah. He was addressing the "white privilege or critical race theory". The part you edited out.
 
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Top Cat said:
Oh please. Spare the happy horse****. Trump is a racist in every sense.

People like you deny that a statement like this is racist. Your denial is absurd.

"“Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?” the president reportedly said. “We should have more people from places like Norway.”
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Would to God that we DID have more white Europeans come here!! It was for THEM and their Christian counterparts that this country was founded in the first place.
 
if you told 2020 Jesus Christ that a country had to be TRAINED to accept all people as equal, what would he say?
 
CaughtInThe said:
if you told 2020 Jesus Christ that a country had to be TRAINED to accept all people as equal, what would he say?
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God/Jesus Christ NEVER EVER promoted the integration of all peoples. Why? Because mankind are DIVERSE.....with diverse cultures and religions. It (diversity) is that which destroyed our Christian nation.
 
bomberfox said:
Diversity training can show you how to not be a dick to other people. Simple as that.
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Why not compromise?

Replace diversity training with training on how to react gracefully when somebody is being racially insensitive. Training to take no offense when no offense is intended.

I can get behind any program that seeks to make people less offendable, irritable, or mistrustful.
 
cman said:
God/Jesus Christ NEVER EVER promoted the integration of all peoples.
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...as Jesus Christ himself was seen as a "lesser" human right here on earth.

but i do appreciate your sentence. it's what i've been preaching about for decades (how some Christians use Christianity to segregate, hate, etc).
 
COTO said:
Why not compromise?

Replace diversity training with training on how to react gracefully when somebody is being racially insensitive. Training to take no offense when no offense is intended.

I can get behind any program that seeks to make people less offendable, irritable, or mistrustful.
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That effectively squelches those who do take issue with it so there is no compromise, effectively telling people to shut up if they have problems. Nobody’s freedoms are taken away by this training. Nobody said the slave gym workout was intentionally offensive but racism isnt about intent and never has been, its about actions and what effect those actions have. Its the same with Anime as well, the artists didnt have much concept of how black people should be drawn or characterized, things like how black people were portrayed in dragonball relied on misinformed stereotypes, i doubt Akira Toryama intended to be racially offensive because later renditions of black people within the show improved. If we had your compromise instead of diversity training, those who wanted better representation would not have been able to speak up and black people would still have been portrayed in anime as big lipped jet black stereotypes.
 
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CaughtInThe said:
...as Jesus Christ himself was seen as a "lesser" human right here on earth.

but i do appreciate your sentence. it's what i've been preaching about for decades (how some Christians use Christianity to segregate, hate, etc).
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TRUE Christians follow and believe the teachings of the BIBLE, and one of the things the BIBLE teaches is that

"God hath made of one (human) blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation." (Act 17:26)

So you see, the very God who created mankind was and is a segregationist. He never intended for mankind to mix and inter-marry with each other. Causes too much hate/division.
 
cman said:
TRUE Christians follow and believe the teachings of the BIBLE, and one of the things the BIBLE teaches is that

"God hath made of one (human) blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation." (Act 17:26)

So you see, the very God who created mankind was and is a segregationist. He never intended for mankind to mix and inter-marry with each other. Causes too much hate/division.
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...as many American Christians (and not just now) use Christianity to segregate and hate.

i hope God is watching.
 
bomberfox said:
That effectively squelches those who do take issue with it so there is no compromise, effectively telling people to shut up if they have problems.
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That's a harsh way of putting it, but... yes. Longsuffering, lightheartenedness, forgiveness, and stoicism are all virtues.

bomberfox said:
Nobody’s freedoms are taken away by this training. Nobody said the slave gym workout was intentionally offensive but racism isnt about intent and never has been, its about actions and what effect those actions have.
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What possible benefit is there in taking offense when no offense is intended? Why wouldn't we want to steer people away from being offended rather than steering them towards it?

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Its the same with Anime as well, the artists didnt have much concept of how black people should be drawn or characterized, things like how black people were portrayed in dragonball relied on misinformed stereotypes, i doubt Akira Toryama intended to be racially offensive because later renditions of black people within the show improved. If we had your compromise instead of diversity training, those who wanted better representation would not have been able to speak up and black people would still have been portrayed in anime as big lipped jet black stereotypes.
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Firstly, I'd tell anybody who's offended by a dated black caricature not to be offended unless they're certain the artist intended offense.

Secondly, in an instance where individual X draws such a caricature and individual Y is sufficiently offended by it to want to say something, no training is required on the part of either X or Y for Y to take X aside and say "Many black people consider these dated caricatures offensive because...". X can then accept the advice or reject it. If he accepts it, problem solved. If he rejects it, diversity training wasn't going to fix the problem anyway.

If diversity training is nothing more than an explanation of some of the things various groups may find offensive, I suppose there's no harm in it. But what if it's a vector for political activism? What if it's used to inject guilt, contempt, divisiveness, or a malcontented, unforgiving attitude into the learners? Then it becomes a harm. I'm sure that's what everyone here is worried about.
 
COTO said:
That's a harsh way of putting it, but... yes. Longsuffering, lightheartenedness, forgiveness, and stoicism are all virtues.


What possible benefit is there in taking offense when no offense is intended? Why wouldn't we want to steer people away from being offended rather than steering them towards it?


Firstly, I'd tell anybody who's offended by a dated black caricature not to be offended unless they're certain the artist intended offense.

Secondly, in an instance where individual X draws such a caricature and individual Y is sufficiently offended by it to want to say something, no training is required on the part of either X or Y for Y to take X aside and say "Many black people consider these dated caricatures offensive because...". X can then accept the advice or reject it. If he accepts it, problem solved. If he rejects it, diversity training wasn't going to fix the problem anyway.

If diversity training is nothing more than an explanation of some of the things various groups may find offensive, I suppose there's no harm in it. But what if it's a vector for political activism? What if it's used to inject guilt, contempt, divisiveness, or a malcontented, unforgiving attitude into the learners? Then it becomes a harm. I'm sure that's what everyone here is worried about.
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I dont have the experience that others have so its not really up to me to tell people their concerns are invalid. Actually diversity training solves precisely that, do you actually know if it doesnt or are you just assuming it doesnt? (curious)It gives people a better idea of how to work in a more diverse environment. The thing about misleading black caricatures is whether or not the artist intends on creating a misleading stereotype, such portrayals effect the way people who have no other context like in Japan (which in many ways is still pretty insular) view the outside world.

since media from Japan for instance is consumed by a worldwide audience, people need to know how to cater to different consumers. Diversity training and a good study of different cultures gives people an idea on what to do and what not to do.

i dont think it will come to teaching people to be offended because that already exists, well have to see what is actually being taught. Diversity training is pretty standard corporate PR, but its useful to have. Im not advocating for teaching people that they need to harass anyone over any mistakes but i do see the benefits of such training.
 
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