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Fearandloathing · May 8, 2016

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joG said:
Victimology seems to indicate that victims are often partly responsible for what happens.
And that it is a handicap is quite obvious. Or don't you recognize the challenge?

Oh bull****!

There is NOT ONE shred of evidence the victim even ****ing moved. She said nothing in response to a severe verbal attack, then got attacked.
It is disingenuous to even mention any victim's responsibility in this video, disingenuous and dishonest.

That post is so full dishonest bull**** we can smell it across the net.

Vitimology It's not even a ****ing word. You insult people with this asinine garbage by expecting anyone but a Trumpette to believe it

Fearandloathing · May 8, 2016

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Winchester said:
Was Pearl helping herself or was she too busy videoing the woman? Did Pearl ask for help? It's not always apparent that help is needed nor wanted. That being said WTF is wrong with some people (the lady doing the assaulting).

What would you suggest she have done? Argue back? Attack the woman? Moving appears to not have been an option as the car was crowded. So what do you suggest she have done to 'help herself'.
No, she didn't ask for help and nor would I. When the attacker opened her mouth that car became an unsafe environment. With the heightened debate over trans gendered people, sometimes hate in the US, she could have as easily provoked more reaction by asking for help.

Fearandloathing · May 8, 2016

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JC Callender said:
Would you have been too afraid to intervene? I would've intervened if a man was attacking a woman, but what am I going to do to a woman attacking a man other than contact the police, which someone may have done if they were anywhere outside of a moving subway car. Also, why didn't the transgender person stand up for themselves? It's not like everyone was attacking him/her. It's NYC...it's survival of the fittest there and really not a place for the faint of heart.

What to do, is to put yourself in harm's way. You stand between the victim and the attacker and call 911 with the attacker watching and hearing. You end the call and say "OK, my gang is at the next stop...and they have guns and mace and handcuffs. It's your choice, be nice and sit down, or get ****ed over by me and then the cops. Your decision, you have thirty seconds". So far you are within the law. From that point you do nothing but protect the victim, if or until the attacker attacks you.

If then he she attacks you, you have the right to defend yourself using whatever force necessary to stop the attack. Taking out an eye usually works and never brings a conviction, even in Canada

Winchester · May 8, 2016

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Fearandloathing said:
What would you suggest she have done? Argue back? Attack the woman? Moving appears to not have been an option as the car was crowded. So what do you suggest she have done to 'help herself'.
No, she didn't ask for help and nor would I. When the attacker opened her mouth that car became an unsafe environment. With the heightened debate over trans gendered people, sometimes hate in the US, she could have as easily provoked more reaction by asking for help.

And filming it didn't provoke more reaction?

Red_Dave · May 8, 2016

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PoS said:
I have no idea what you just said...

These people should learn to speak English before coming here!

LaylaWindu · May 8, 2016

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Winchester said:
And filming it didn't provoke more reaction?

I think it's an interesting question. It could but on average I don't think it does.... now this is only my opinion but I think normal, rational, civil people are less likely to break the law while being filmed. Like if you were going to do some little silly crime like take printer paper from work but there's a camera where the paper is at . . I'm sure most are likely NOT to take the paper. It's really "one" of the reasons surveillance cameras exist . . their presence prevents and stops a lot all by itself. Again I don't have any stats proving that the majority of time it prevents crimes or deescalates a situation it's just my gut feeling. I know in most cases it would do that to me, especially in a case like this if I slipped up and could even find myself acting like such a piece of **** this lady was. (I never could) I think most normal people would have a reality check but that loon didn't. In general do you disagree? . . .

Winchester · May 8, 2016

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LaylaWindu said:
I think it's an interesting question. It could but on average I don't think it does.... now this is only my opinion but I think normal, rational, civil people are less likely to break the law while being filmed. Like if you were going to do some little silly crime like take printer paper from work but there's a camera where the paper is at . . I'm sure most are likely NOT to take the paper. It's really "one" of the reasons surveillance cameras exist . . their presence prevents and stops a lot all by itself. Again I don't have any stats proving that the majority of time it prevents crimes or deescalates a situation it's just my gut feeling. I know in most cases it would do that to me, especially in a case like this if I slipped up and could even find myself acting like such a piece of **** this lady was. (I never could) I think most normal people would have a reality check but that loon didn't. In general do you disagree? . . .

This wasn't a surveillance camera though and the ranting woman specifically mentioned it at the beginning of the clip so I do think it had something to do when she got up and slapped it out of his hand. That being said I do find it hard to believe someone on the train didn't tell her to shut the **** up already.

LaylaWindu · May 8, 2016

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Winchester said:
This wasn't a surveillance camera though and the ranting woman specifically mentioned it at the beginning of the clip so I do think it had something to do when she got up and slapped it out of his hand. That being said I do find it hard to believe someone on the train didn't tell her to shut the **** up already.

A camera is a camera, the surveillance part doesn't matter. Heck a phone camera would be MORE preventative to me and most normal people. Like I said it's just my opinion but you don't agree with that? That attacker is a loon, I'm not saying the camera didn't provoke the attacker in anyway, it very well may have because that nut case was embarrassed that her vile behavior was being captured my point was thats the attackers issue not the victim. Pearl was just riding the train when some loon started attacking her so she filmed it. I would of probably done the same in hopes she stops. Normal people would check themselves when filmed, this loon didn't and it wasn't because of the camera it's because she is a loon.

I find it hard to believe that nobody helped the lady either but that seems to be the case and was the case in the video, but we don't know what happen after.

Scrabaholic · May 8, 2016

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LaylaWindu said:
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Wow that woman assaulting Pearl is the definition of what s piece of **** human being is . . .so said . . . its also said that nobody supposedly helped her. I would have.

It boggles my mind that someone would do that to another person. Why can't people just mind their own business and leave others alone? The victim wasn't doing anything but sitting there minding her own business.

ETA: Assault charges should be filed, since the woman hit the victim. Maybe even harassment charges.

CaptainCourtesy · May 8, 2016

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joG said:
I didn't want to be impolite, but that is exactly, what I thought about you.

Well, since my position has some accuracy and yours doesn't. your thought is incorrect.

CaptainCourtesy · May 8, 2016

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joG said:
In fact, they are handicapped in the world as we have structured it. This is why we put so much effort into changing the environment in which the live and improving input like education into the members of those groups or making their inclusion legally mandatory. Handicap is a relative thing and relates to how well the person is probable to fare in the world she is confronted with. Anyone that says those groups are not severely handicapped in our society is just afraid of the term and is ignoring or missing a whole side of the problem. This influences the thinking about the topic, even the research to a certain extent, impacts policy asymmetrically and sends the measures taken in resolution of the problems relating to the handicaps down misinformed paths.

No, anyone who doesn't use the term "handicapped" doesn't use it because of the negative connotation it presents. Words have meanings. Using them incorrectly as you are is equivocating the discussion and is dishonest. It's like calling a fetus a parasite or calling abortion murder.

CaptainCourtesy · May 8, 2016

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joG said:
I think possibly you are committing a fundamental attribution error. I realize that this topic is highly controversial, but that does not mean that cause and culpability are the same thing. They are not and it is a bad mistake as an individual or as a society to forget that.

Sure you can put on a bikini top and tiny skirt to walk the back streets of Tehran for the thrill. When you are assaulted you can rightly point out that it was inhuman to rape you and throw acid in your face. You can demand the culprit hang. If you did the same in many US areas or parts of European city, similar outcomes could easily be expected. The assaults are criminal there. the culprits would be punished, if they were caught and the forensic evidence is strong enough. But there is also no doubt who caused the incident by neglecting the fact, that the outcome required you to act the way you did. You would have been one of the factors leading to the event independent of whether your actions had been inadvertently caused or intentionally.

Cause has nothing per se to do with guilt. The guilt is defined by local law and bound by culture. In our culture you are allowed to shave your legs, dress to the T and go anywhere you want even though the probability of this leading to an assault is extremely high and the attacker will be punished, though, you committed a premeditated stupidity. In another culture the attacker would be protected from you premeditated provocation. What don't you understand?

Incorrect. You are failing to understand the concept of responsibility. We are each responsible for our own behaviors... and that's it. For example, a woman who wears a bikini in Tehran is responsible for her stupid decision to do so. If she gets raped, she is NOT responsible for the rape. And no, she didn't cause the rape. The cause was due to the individual who chose to rape her. Since others did NOT choose to do so, we can see that there is no direct causation between her behavior and the behavior of the culprit. She is responsible for doing something dumb, but since there is no direct causation, she is not responsible for the rape. An alternative example would be if I CHOSE to drive my car into a tree. I am both responsible for my stupid decision AND the outcome of my decision since there is direct causation.

RetiredUSN · May 8, 2016

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JC Callender said:
What do you think makes other people so afraid to step in while you're so courageous? And NYC is widely known as being a very aggressive city, whether there's physical violence or not, you have to be able to stand up for yourself. It's not Des Moines, which is nowhere near as aggressive as NYC.

Knock off the courageous crap. NYC is aggressive, but not any more violent than most places. I have been there about 400 times ok?

I am from the streets myself and I saw and dealt with POS like that lady every day.

That TG person was very obviously passive, and probably could not burst a birthday balloon.

JC Callender · May 8, 2016

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RetiredUSN said:
Knock off the courageous crap. NYC is aggressive, but not any more violent than most places. I have been there about 400 times ok?

I am from the streets myself and I saw and dealt with POS like that lady every day.

That TG person was very obviously passive, and probably could not burst a birthday balloon.

It's a fair question, others are afraid but you would've taken that lady on. I just want to know what makes you so much more courageous than them? And btw, would you say NYC is more violent than Des Moines?

joG · May 9, 2016

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CLAX1911 said:
A person existing is not a cause for this.

That is true, but has nothing to do with the topic.

joG · May 9, 2016

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Fearandloathing said:
Oh bull****!

There is NOT ONE shred of evidence the victim even ****ing moved. She said nothing in response to a severe verbal attack, then got attacked.
It is disingenuous to even mention any victim's responsibility in this video, disingenuous and dishonest.

That post is so full dishonest bull**** we can smell it across the net.

Vitimology It's not even a ****ing word. You insult people with this asinine garbage by expecting anyone but a Trumpette to believe it

All those **** make each of your sentences much more impressive.

calamity · May 9, 2016

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To be expected. People don't like this trans crap rammed down their throats. There will be much more of this now, not less.

joG · May 9, 2016

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CaptainCourtesy said:
Incorrect. You are failing to understand the concept of responsibility. We are each responsible for our own behaviors... and that's it. For example, a woman who wears a bikini in Tehran is responsible for her stupid decision to do so. If she gets raped, she is NOT responsible for the rape. And no, she didn't cause the rape. The cause was due to the individual who chose to rape her. Since others did NOT choose to do so, we can see that there is no direct causation between her behavior and the behavior of the culprit. She is responsible for doing something dumb, but since there is no direct causation, she is not responsible for the rape. An alternative example would be if I CHOSE to drive my car into a tree. I am both responsible for my stupid decision AND the outcome of my decision since there is direct causation.

Things can be caused by the interaction of the behavior of two persons. Each then can be said to have caused the results.

RetiredNSmilin · May 9, 2016

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Some people have their breaking point with the PC & LGBT agenda. Adding alcohol just shortens the time required.

No one helped because NYC is so litigious you can get sued for a slight wink.

That is why it is best to do nothing.

Besides, it was a woman assaulting a MAN.

No matter what side a bystander took, they would be sued.

calamity · May 9, 2016

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RetiredNSmilin said:
Some people have their breaking point with the PC & LGBT agenda. Adding alcohol just shortens the time required.

No one helped because NYC is so litigious you can get sued for a slight wink.

That is why it is best to do nothing.

Besides, it was a woman assaulting a MAN.

No matter what side a bystander took, they would be sued.

It didn't help that the moron was videotaping the obviously unbalanced woman. I would probably react aggressively myself if some POS started videotaping me...especially if I was drinking.

cabse5 · May 9, 2016

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LaylaWindu said:
I'd say there's more evidence of criminal assault is handicapped then the victim.

Are you proposing the transgender is handicapped???

countryboy · May 9, 2016

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LaylaWindu said:
I'd say there's more evidence of criminal assault is handicapped then the victim.

This sentence literally makes no sense. Try again.

cabse5 · May 9, 2016

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RetiredUSN said:
Knock off the courageous crap. NYC is aggressive, but not any more violent than most places. I have been there about 400 times ok?

I am from the streets myself and I saw and dealt with POS like that lady every day.

That TG person was very obviously passive, and probably could not burst a birthday balloon.

And the transgender obviously looked more man than woman.

CLAX1911 · May 9, 2016

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joG said:
That is true, but has nothing to do with the topic.

The only reason the aggressor attacked her is because she didn't like her existing.

It isn't the transgender person's fault that the attacker is a piece of ****.

cabse5 · May 9, 2016

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CLAX1911 said:
The only reason the aggressor attacked her is because she didn't like her existing.

It isn't the transgender person's fault that the attacker is a piece of ****.

I don't dare to read the minds of anyone as you have done. What I was guess is, if the federal government has it's way, this man wearing makeup can go to the bathroom in any female john. See, guys on the subway aren't too concerned with the transgender trying desperately to look like a man, women are.

Secondly, the chance of coming across a transgender is .01 of the population. One tenth of one percent for hermaphrodites and one percent for hermaphrodites plus psychological cases. Why does the federal government even waste anyone's time and money on this?

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