Discovery Of 12,000-year-old Temple Complex Could Alter Theory Of Human Development

[danarhea]

Archaeologists have found the ruins of a site in Turkey which shows civilization existed as long as 12,000 years ago. In other news, creationists still believe that the world is only 7,000 years old. So, what happened to that other 5,000 years? Maybe it was a civilization of intelligent dinosaurs, which God destroyed so he could create man. You never know, that explanation makes just as much sense as the one the creationists are attempting to shovel at the rest of the world.

Article is here.

Yes, folks. God destroyed the world so he could create it... Oops, I mean that God created a world out of thin air filled with another civilization... Wait, I mean God is just a bad timekeeper, but he is infallible. Oops...... etc, etc, etc.....

**Head explodes**

 

[WI Crippler]

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Did you just hijack your own OP?

 

[americanwoman]

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This is so neat!

a temple complex almost twice as old as anything comparable on the planet.

I can't wait until they put out some pictures or do a special on the history channel.

 

[Hatuey]

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Did you just hijack your own OP?

It's hard not to with the lunacy of creationists. I just snicker whenever I see new evidence that destroys creationism and their arguments against evolution. It's not even worth discussing it with them anymore. They're the equivalent of Code Pink. They're that person who gets tasered bro.

 

[danarhea]

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Did you just hijack your own OP?

Well, since I am the original poster, I am expected to put forth my original thoughts on this, and the creationist idiocy does come to mind. If they take control of science classes, how are they going to explain this? :mrgreen:

 

[WI Crippler]

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It's hard not to with the lunacy of creationists. I just snicker whenever I see new evidence that destroys creationism and their arguments against evolution. It's not even worth discussing it with them anymore. They're the equivalent of Code Pink. They're that person who gets tasered bro.

I don't think any creationists have replied to this thread yet.

 

[Hatuey]

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I don't think any creationists have replied to this thread yet.

Yeah no scientologists post in this forum either doesn't stop us from discussing how silly a lot or some of their beliefs are. I'm willing to give most Christians the benefit of the doubt on Jesus. There is just something deeply ridiculous however about some religious beliefs.

 

[WI Crippler]

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Well, since I am the original poster, I am expected to put forth my original thoughts on this, and the creationist idiocy does come to mind. If they take control of science classes, how are they going to explain this? :mrgreen:

So your intent in posting this story was not to discuss the found ruins, but to slam creationists(whom I disagree with BTW)?

 

[WI Crippler]

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Yeah no scientologists post in this forum either doesn't stop us from discussing how silly a lot of their beliefs are.

I don't even know what they believe. It'd actually be nice to hear their side on this forum, even if I would probably disagree with it. I have no problem with them believing as they wish.

 

[Hatuey]

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I don't even know what they believe. It'd actually be nice to hear their side on this forum, even if I would probably disagree with it. I have no problem with them believing as they wish.

Neither do I. I just find them ridiculous. Just like I find snow globes ridiculous but you'll never catch me trying to stop people from buying them.

 

[WI Crippler]

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Neither do I. I just find them ridiculous. Just like I find snow globes ridiculous but you'll never catch me trying to stop people from buying them.

Then why make the effort to mock it?

 

[danarhea]

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So your intent in posting this story was not to discuss the found ruins, but to slam creationists(whom I disagree with BTW)?

Absolutely. The find is very important, not only as an archaeological event, but as another nail in the coffin of those who would push a political agenda to quash true science in favor of a theory which has no evidence of any kind to support it. The fact that such unsubstantiated claims are now being called science by some, who are pushing to have it taught in the classroom, IS important, and a find like this is newsworthy, not only for its intended purpose, but also newsworthy in its repudiation of claims made by people who would most likely have burned scientists at the stake as witches in their former lives, that is, if you believe in reincarnation. Perhaps we can teach reincarnation in our schools too.

 

[niftydrifty]

Re: Discovery Of 12,000-year-old Temple Complex Could Alter Theory Of Human Developme

Archaeologists have found the ruins of a site in Turkey which shows civilization existed as long as 12,000 years ago. In other news, creationists still believe that the world is only 7,000 years old. So, what happened to that other 5,000 years? Maybe it was a civilization of intelligent dinosaurs, which God destroyed so he could create man. You never know, that explanation makes just as much sense as the one the creationists are attempting to shovel at the rest of the world.

Article is here.

Yes, folks. God destroyed the world so he could create it... Oops, I mean that God created a world out of thin air filled with another civilization... Wait, I mean God is just a bad timekeeper, but he is infallible. Oops...... etc, etc, etc.....

**Head explodes**

[redneck voice on]

Dude, carbon dating is obviously a lie, cuz nothing can be that old in the first place.

[redneck voice off]

 

[Hatuey]

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Then why make the effort to mock it?

Mockery comes natural to me. No effort required. It's an optional characteristic given to biracial people when we are created. It's either that or soul singer.

 

[WI Crippler]

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Absolutely. The find is very important, not only as an archaeological event, but as another nail in the coffin of those who would push a political agenda to quash true science in favor of a theory which has no evidence of any kind to support it. The fact that such unsubstantiated claims are now being called science by some, who are pushing to have it taught in the classroom, IS important, and a find like this is newsworthy, not only for its intended purpose, but also newsworthy in its repudiation of claims made by people who would most likely have burned scientists at the stake as witches in their former lives, that is, if you believe in reincarnation. Perhaps we can teach reincarnation in our schools too.

I thought it was intelligent design that they were trying to push in schools(which I also disagree with FWIW). Creationism isn't the same thing, at least one branch of creationism, known as young earth creationism. Old Earth creationism accepts scientific dating, but rejects evolution so its more in line with intelligent design. Besides, I thought the intelligent design in public school ideas got shut down(rightly so, IMO) by a District judge.

 

[danarhea]

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I thought it was intelligent design that they were trying to push in schools(which I also disagree with FWIW). Creationism isn't the same thing, at least one branch of creationism, known as young earth creationism. Old Earth creationism accepts scientific dating, but rejects evolution so its more in line with intelligent design. Besides, I thought the intelligent design in public school ideas got shut down(rightly so, IMO) by a District judge.

Tell that to Florida.

 

[WI Crippler]

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Tell that to Florida.

We have alot of things we need to tell to Florida.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

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We have alot of things we need to tell to Florida.

We as citizens have a lot of work to do on our country period.

 

[jfuh]

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I thought it was intelligent design that they were trying to push in schools(which I also disagree with FWIW). Creationism isn't the same thing, at least one branch of creationism, known as young earth creationism. Old Earth creationism accepts scientific dating, but rejects evolution so its more in line with intelligent design. Besides, I thought the intelligent design in public school ideas got shut down(rightly so, IMO) by a District judge.

Young earth, old earth, intelligent design, the differences are only skin deep; they all go back to the super perfect god almighty being that created this planet all it's life and the entire universe. They're all ways to mask religion and force it into the public school system.
I quote Pat Roberts after Dover residents voted out the School board religious nuts:
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city," This is of ID theory not creationism - to which ID claims it is NOT religious.

 

[Binary_Digit]

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And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson, Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda, Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

This is where the Young Earth theory comes from. There are 4 other places in the bible where parts of this lineage is mentioned (Genesis, Chronicles, Kings, and Matthew), but this is the only verse that tells the entire lineage in one breath. Since we know when Jesus lived, it's easy to add these up and get a rough estimate of how long ago Adam lived. Genesis has specific numbers for several of these, e.g. Noah was 500 years old when he had Shem. Later on in the lineage, people didn't live as long, and the trend became about 30-40 years between generations. So adding up all the specific numbers from Genesis, and assuming 35 years between the other generations, means that Adam walked the earth about 6000 years ago.

To admit that the earth is older than that, is to admit that the bible is not perfect. That it has mistakes and inaccuracies. That it's not the Alpha-Omega will of God in its entirety, and instead that humans have gone in and made their own additions and/or changes (in at least one case). The problem with the Young Earth crowd isn't God, it's their rigid belief that the bible is 100% infallible.

 

[Kandahar]

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Something is wrong here. There is absolutely no way that these ruins can be 12,000 years old. Hunter-gatherers simply do not develop complex religions. Especially hunter-gatherers who live in places/epochs with no neighboring farming civilizations.

Somebody is making a mistake somewhere...either with the carbon dating, or with identifying the purpose of this building.

 

[Cold Highway]

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We used to have creationists here. Ironically they were done in by the evolution of the forum. :lol: I liked that, I don't care what you think.

Oh yea I could just picture how long The Baron's post would be filled of Bible quotes after this article.

 

[DeeJayH]

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This is where the Young Earth theory comes from. There are 4 other places in the bible where parts of this lineage is mentioned (Genesis, Chronicles, Kings, and Matthew), but this is the only verse that tells the entire lineage in one breath. Since we know when Jesus lived, it's easy to add these up and get a rough estimate of how long ago Adam lived. Genesis has specific numbers for several of these, e.g. Noah was 500 years old when he had Shem. Later on in the lineage, people didn't live as long, and the trend became about 30-40 years between generations. So adding up all the specific numbers from Genesis, and assuming 35 years between the other generations, means that Adam walked the earth about 6000 years ago.

To admit that the earth is older than that, is to admit that the bible is not perfect. That it has mistakes and inaccuracies. That it's not the Alpha-Omega will of God in its entirety, and instead that humans have gone in and made their own additions and/or changes (in at least one case). The problem with the Young Earth crowd isn't God, it's their rigid belief that the bible is 100% infallible.

6000 years ago
or 6000 years from Jesus' birth?
:doh

 

[DeeJayH]

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oh yeah
why isn't this in Africa
why is there nothing like this in teh 'cradle of civilization'
why is that continent still so bass ackwards?

 

[Hatuey]

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oh yeah
why isn't this in Africa
why is there nothing like this in teh 'cradle of civilization'
why is that continent still so bass ackwards?

Africa is called the cradle of civilization because "modern" day human beings came from there. Not because there was an actual full fledged civilization that we know existed.

When I say modern day I mean as in Homo sapiens. About 200-300,000 years ago.