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The list of states with mask mandates includes California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New York, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.
Similar mandates in Texas and Ohio are limited to counties where the coronavirus case rate surpasses government thresholds. Hawaii also has a statewide mask mandate, which applies to customers and staff at businesses.
I read it 3 times, still doesn't make sense.Did the virus sicken ad kill all it was going to in certain states?
I would like input mainly from the conservative posters here as I consider you more rational and logical in your analysis as opposed to the emotions and hyperbole of the left. As we know, there are 4 states on the east coast who had a tremendously high death rate, and this in spite of wearing masks and social distancing. At the same time other states had drastically lower death rates. We saw an uptick in those states in the past few weeks or so. I have heard no reports that the states experiencing an uptick now are NOT wearing masks in public.
More Than 20 U.S. States Now Require Face Masks In Public : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR
The states I put in bold letters were the subject of my OP because they border each other and have the highest death rate per million, by far. YET.....they are now having the lowest percentage of NEW deaths of all. The states that previously had low death rates per million are now having much higher death rates even though each of those states require masks (as per the above link) just like the four states of New York, New Hersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts which have death rates of between 3 and 5 times higher.
So, something is going on and no one wants to talk about it. They can't use the mask excuse because masks are mandated and people are wearing them.
I submit my opinion for discussion and feedback. I think that there are millions of people who just don't catch the virus no matter what, mask or no mask. i think there are people who could have someone with full blown COVID cough in their face and not get it and millions others who get it and don't even know it or have very mild symptoms. Conversely, I think there are those that are going to get it no matter what, even if they wear the perfect mask and stay 6 feet away from others. I think this is what we had in the heavily hit states that border each other where the virus spread like wildfire after being introduced by Chinese coming from Wuhan and other parts of China and no matter what, the virus was going to do its thing and infect and kill people regardless of a mask or not. this whole mask bit is guess work and conjecture by some lab wonks using machines and not humans and not taking into account that people use aunt Mary's home made special.
So..........in New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Massachusetts that are seeing drastic reductions in death rates, it is because the virus has killed those who would be killed....the elderly and the weak and there really are no more that the virus can kill in those locales because it has done its job.
In the states that are now seeing an uptick, it is because the virus has not yet finished doing its "job" and is infecting and killing people WITH masks, meaning masks are useless and just provide a placebo for the wearers. IOW, in spite of lab tests, this virus goes through these masks and will infect and kill people depending on their age and overall health, no matter what. The numbers bear this out.
I appreciate any thoughts and comments from conservatives.
I did too...until I realized he meant "and" instead of "ad."
I would like input mainly from the conservative posters here as I consider you more rational and logical in your analysis as opposed to the emotions and hyperbole of the left. .
You did better than me, I only got as far as the title. lol
I would like input mainly from the conservative posters here as I consider you more rational and logical in your analysis as opposed to the emotions and hyperbole of the left. As we know, there are 4 states on the east coast who had a tremendously high death rate, and this in spite of wearing masks and social distancing. At the same time other states had drastically lower death rates. We saw an uptick in those states in the past few weeks or so. I have heard no reports that the states experiencing an uptick now are NOT wearing masks in public.
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:lamoI would like input mainly from the conservative posters here as I consider you more rational and logical in your analysis as opposed to the emotions and hyperbole of the left.
Hello? Case and death rates fell AFTER they started distancing. It was also so early that doctors and hospitals were still figuring out what they could do to reduce the death rates. Yeesh.As we know, there are 4 states on the east coast who had a tremendously high death rate, and this in spite of wearing masks and social distancing.
They have lower death rates because:At the same time other states had drastically lower death rates. We saw an uptick in those states in the past few weeks or so. I have heard no reports that the states experiencing an uptick now are NOT wearing masks in public.
Nope, nope, wrong, MSM and medical authorities have discussed this for WEEKS.So, something is going on and no one wants to talk about it.
Yes, and I'm sure your claim is based on your vast expertise and training in epidemiology. :lamoI submit my opinion for discussion and feedback. I think that there are millions of people who just don't catch the virus no matter what, mask or no mask.
So what?i think there are people who could have someone with full blown COVID cough in their face and not get it and millions others who get it and don't even know it or have very mild symptoms.
I think your argument is moronic.I think this is what we had in the heavily hit states that border each other where the virus spread like wildfire after being introduced by Chinese coming from Wuhan and other parts of China and no matter what....
No, it's also based on observational studies. Nations and counties with wide-spread use of masks see fewer cases. Yeesh.this whole mask bit is guess work and conjecture by some lab wonks using machines and not humans....
No, no, no. The virus most certainly has NOT killed every high-risk person in NY, NJ, CT, MA. Not even close. Your claim isn't even remotely based in reality.So..........in New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Massachusetts that are seeing drastic reductions in death rates, it is because the virus has killed those who would be killed....the elderly and the weak and there really are no more that the virus can kill in those locales because it has done its job.
:roll:in spite of lab tests, this virus goes through these masks and will infect and kill people depending on their age and overall health, no matter what. The numbers bear this out.
I would like input mainly from the conservative posters here as I consider you more rational and logical in your analysis as opposed to the emotions and hyperbole of the left. As we know, there are 4 states on the east coast who had a tremendously high death rate, and this in spite of wearing masks and social distancing. At the same time other states had drastically lower death rates. We saw an uptick in those states in the past few weeks or so. I have heard no reports that the states experiencing an uptick now are NOT wearing masks in public.
More Than 20 U.S. States Now Require Face Masks In Public : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR
The states I put in bold letters were the subject of my OP because they border each other and have the highest death rate per million, by far. YET.....they are now having the lowest percentage of NEW deaths of all. The states that previously had low death rates per million are now having much higher death rates even though each of those states require masks (as per the above link) just like the four states of New York, New Hersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts which have death rates of between 3 and 5 times higher.
So, something is going on and no one wants to talk about it. They can't use the mask excuse because masks are mandated and people are wearing them.
I submit my opinion for discussion and feedback. I think that there are millions of people who just don't catch the virus no matter what, mask or no mask. i think there are people who could have someone with full blown COVID cough in their face and not get it and millions others who get it and don't even know it or have very mild symptoms. Conversely, I think there are those that are going to get it no matter what, even if they wear the perfect mask and stay 6 feet away from others. I think this is what we had in the heavily hit states that border each other where the virus spread like wildfire after being introduced by Chinese coming from Wuhan and other parts of China and no matter what, the virus was going to do its thing and infect and kill people regardless of a mask or not. this whole mask bit is guess work and conjecture by some lab wonks using machines and not humans and not taking into account that people use aunt Mary's home made special.
So..........in New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Massachusetts that are seeing drastic reductions in death rates, it is because the virus has killed those who would be killed....the elderly and the weak and there really are no more that the virus can kill in those locales because it has done its job.
In the states that are now seeing an uptick, it is because the virus has not yet finished doing its "job" and is infecting and killing people WITH masks, meaning masks are useless and just provide a placebo for the wearers. IOW, in spite of lab tests, this virus goes through these masks and will infect and kill people depending on their age and overall health, no matter what. The numbers bear this out.
I appreciate any thoughts and comments from conservatives.
Not a "conservative" but the answer is probably not. Statistics aren't a great predictor of these sorts of things. At one point they suggested smokers were at lower risk. At other point, they suggested that O blood types were at lowest risk. My guess is it plundered the populations of people who didn't take it seriously and didn't social distance for whatever reason and once it got bad enough, they took it seriously. Now it is moving on to populations who are not taking social distancing seriously. Human nature suggests eventually the former will become the latter again over time as people start putting convenience ahead of their health.
You don't understand what a placebo is.
rotflmao
Biden Harris will put you folks back in your place ASAP
When the virus first hit hard in New Jersey and New York, doctors didn't know how to treat it.
Today doctors have a better idea of how to treat the virus so many more lives are saved.
Reported coronavirus deaths yesterday:
• France: 0
• United Kingdom: 0
• Canada: 4
• Germany: 6
• Italy: 6
• United States: 1,450
Not sure what that means
I read it 3 times, still doesn't make sense.
A placebo can be anything. It doesn't have to be a pill It is the MIND that makes you feel safe. You wear a mask ad you feel like Batman or superman.
Here's what happened in Kansas:
Kansas counties with mask mandate show steep COVID-19 drop
BELLE PLAINE, Kan. (AP) — Kansas counties that have mask mandates in place have seen a rapid drop in cases, while counties that only recommend their use have seen no decrease in cases, the state’s top health official said Wednesday.
Dr. Lee Norman, the state health department’s top administrator, said Wednesday that overall statewide the numbers of new cases is favorable, but that the reduction of new cases is entirely in the counties that require masks be worn in public spaces.
After Gov. Laura Kelly put a mask mandate in place last month, 15 counties stayed with the mandate while 90 counties abandoned it, Norman said at a news conference Wednesday.
Norman pointed a graph showing the seven-day rolling average of cases per 100,000 people comparing counties with the mask mandates with those counties that abandoned it. The favorable trend line down was entirely in the counties that required the use of masks, while the trend line for those without one was flat, he said.
“Do masks work? Here in this natural experiment called Kansas where we have essentially — not due to any great design, but it has worked out that way — some counties have been the control group with a no mask mandate and some have been the experimental group with masks,” Norman said. “The experimental group is winning the battle. All improvements in case development comes from those counties wearing masks.”
I said I wanted conservatives mainly because this is a serious OP and I need adults in the room.
allegorical. Kansas isn't really one of those heavily populated areas and their death rate is just 136 per million versus New Jersey at 1797 per million. they are not a good comparison. They had 4 death yesterday compared to New Jersey at just 2. This tells me the virus petered out in New Jersey because there aren't enough hosts left.....they have all been taken care of by COVID with almost 16,000 dead compared to just 396 in small Kansas.
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