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Did the US do the right thing in dropping the atomic bombs on Japan to end WWII?

Did the US do the right thing in dropping the atomic bombs on Japan?

  • yes

    Votes: 72 69.9%

  • no

    Votes: 20 19.4%

  • not sure

    Votes: 11 10.7%
  • Total voters
    103
RabidAlpaca said:
Their arguments are the literal equivalents of bombing a school in Afghanistan and killing 200 children and 1 taliban. Because that 1 guy was there it was a "military target" and all the children were personally responsible for 9/11 so they deserved it.
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No. Our arguments are nothing like that. The enemy in Afghanistan that we want to bomb is al-Qa'ida. The Taliban are something different. We fight them because they resist us, but we have no beef with them if they stop fighting us.


RabidAlpaca said:
No, Toggle Almendro is a sociopath because he said we should've nuked every city in Afghanistan before the second tower even fell. Is that something you support? Why are you defending that?
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Why does the idea of America defending ourselves bother you so much?


RabidAlpaca said:
So an imagined fictional scenario justifies mass murder.
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First of all, the horrors that Japan was causing in the Pacific were not in any way an imagined scenario.

And second, wartime strikes on military targets are not mass murder.


RabidAlpaca said:
I'd call what you guys suffer from sociopathic national exceptionalism.
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That's because you call anyone who fights a sociopath even if they are fighting for a just cause.


RabidAlpaca said:
Any atrocity America commits is justified and any atrocity committed by others deserves more atrocities by Americans.
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Setting aside for a moment the fact that we didn't commit any atrocity, you are also failing to differentiate between aggressor and defender.

If we do what we have to in order to survive something that someone else inflicts on us, that wouldn't make us equal to the aggressor even if we had committed an atrocity (which of course we didn't).


RabidAlpaca said:
The civilian population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not rape Nanking or start a war.
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Hiroshima was a huge military center filled with tens of thousands of soldiers, and it held an important military headquarters. Nagasaki was an industrial town with huge weapons factories.

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki helped to stop the very people who did rape Nanking and did start the war.


RabidAlpaca said:
What you're basically arguing is that all citizens of a nation are responsible for the sins of their government. In that case you should support the 9/11 attacks as justified. All 3000 dead Americans are personally guilty for decades of imperialism and unjustified killings in the middle east, right?
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Wrong. America is not guilty of any imperialism or unjustified killings in the middle east.


RabidAlpaca said:
Ah yes, the "mass murder of civilians is ok as long as I think it'd be less deaths overall" argument. Horrific.
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Setting aside the fact that wartime strikes on military targets is not mass murder, your objection to saving lives is chilling.

How many tens of millions would you like to see die just to avoid the A-bombings?
 
ecofarm said:
No, you are misguidedly using cherry picked, context removed and otherwise invented quotes to come to a delusionary conclusion. It's no different than Truth. I'd be ashamed.
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No the quotes are pretty clear and there are a lot of them. Its pretty straight forward
 
ecofarm said:
No, you are misguidedly using cherry picked, context removed and otherwise invented quotes to come to a delusionary conclusion. It's no different than Truth. I'd be ashamed.
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He is like our buddy Agent in that no matter what he comes back with "Facts Win Again". :lol:

I am outta this fruitless endeavor.
 
vegas giants said:
Yes a lot. Also the greatest military minds this country has even known
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When you type a sentence like that, it doesn't appear to you as hyperbolic BS in desperate attempt to defend a fantasy?

"The greatest military minds ever known agree with me and my 5 lunatic friends!"

Come on.
 
ecofarm said:
When you type a sentence like that, it doesn't appear to you as hyperbolic BS in desperate attempt to defend a fantasy?

"The greatest military minds ever known agree with me and my 5 lunatic friends!"

Come on.
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You think they were not the greatest military minds this country has ever seen? Really?
 
vegas giants said:
You think Admiral Nimitz was a CT? LOL
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Truther: I have a quote from Bush that shows he was involved! You believe the quote is fake? You believe Bush was not President??

Same diff.
 
ecofarm said:
Truther: I have a quote from Bush that shows he was involved! You believe the quote is fake? You believe Bush was not President??

Same diff.
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Well if you can provide the same level of references I can I would love to see it. No one really denies these quotes. They are well established. Even those who disagree with me on this thread agree the quotes are true
 
vegas giants said:
Well if you can provide the same level of references I can I would love to see it. No one really denies these quotes. They are well established. Even those who disagree with me on this thread agree the quotes are true
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People just are not dealing with the cherry picked, out of context BS. You think no one has seen that crap before? Also, just like a Truther, you think you're educating others. It's pathetic. You don't have super special knowledge that escapes the tiny minds of the other 99.9% of people.
 
ecofarm said:
People just are not dealing with the cherry picked, out of context BS. You think no one has seen that crap before? Also, just like a Truther, you think you're educating others. It's pathetic. You don't have super special knowledge that escapes the tiny minds of the other 99.9% of people.
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Then take one of the quotes and put it in the proper context. That is debate. I would be happy to see it
 
Masterhawk said:
People still ask this question today. Some people feel that it was wrong to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki while others think that the casualty count would have been higher had the US invaded the mainland.

What are your thoughts on this?
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Definitely yes. There probably wouldn't be a lot of us here to question the bomb if we hadn't dropped it due to the very high projected casualties that might have been taken. A lot of dads and grand dads weren't be around to create us. Most estimates are around a million U.S. dead with another 3-4 million wounded. Japanese casualties were put at 5-10 million. Now that was just the casualties that may or may not have happened.

What may have been worst was the USSR was all set to invade Japan to claim whatever part of Japan they conquered. Knowing what happened in Eastern Europe that couldn't have been good. Without the bomb, a divided Japan like a divided Germany probably would have happened.
 
vegas giants said:
Then take one of the quotes and put it in the proper context. That is debate. I would be happy to see it
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I don't wanna deal with your BS claims any more than the next guy. We've been through this before. We've seen the quotes. We've debunked them. You are not bringing super special long lost facts to the ignorant masses, you're pushing garbage because it makes you feel special.
 
Perotista said:
Definitely yes. There probably wouldn't be a lot of us here to question the bomb if we hadn't dropped it due to the very high projected casualties that might have been taken. A lot of dads and grand dads weren't be around to create us. Most estimates are around a million U.S. dead with another 3-4 million wounded. Japanese casualties were put at 5-10 million. Now that was just the casualties that may or may not have happened.

What may have been worst was the USSR was all set to invade Japan to claim whatever part of Japan they conquered. Knowing what happened in Eastern Europe that couldn't have been good. Without the bomb, a divided Japan like a divided Germany probably would have happened.
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Russia did not even have a fleet capable of invading Japan
 
ecofarm said:
I don't wanna deal with your BS claims any more than the next guy. We've been through this before. We've seen the quotes. We've debunked them. You are not bringing super special long lost facts to the ignorant masses, you're pushing garbage because it makes you feel special.
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Ok. If you have nothing then you have nothing. Have a nice night
 
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