Did the people of kansas show us the difference between what our elected officials want and what the people actually want?

[Integrityrespec]

The chances of pregnancy occurring from any single act of intercourse are small enough that consent to sex cannot be considered consent to pregnancy.

If you aren't smart enough to realize that any single act of intercourse could in fact result in pregnancy then you don't need to having intercourse. I put put play Russian Roulette and 5 times out of 6 i'm ok. I can run across a busy 6 lane highway at peak rush hour and most of the time I might make it safely, it's still very risky. That ain't good odds. In the case of intercourse, you are talking about a life in the balance and rubbing out that life if you don't like the result of your intercourse. It's cold and irresponsible not to understand the risks and the responsibilities. The left have taken the position and promoted it for 50+ years that a baby in the womb is neither living nor an human being. That is just not true. They do thins to promote their agenda. As long as they convince our children at an early age and our young mothers to be that it's not really a child, they can get away with it. If they tell them it's a baby, a child, a human being you are whipping out, it becomes much harder to do. IMO.
Abortion clinics, planned parenthood don't give counseling on how to handle your unexpected pregnancy, how to raise that child because they want to push abortion. They don't what to preform an ultrasound and let the mother see the baby or hear the heartbeat because then reality sets in. It's a cold, cruel business.

 

[bongsaway]

I think that the politico's in many of these states are playing to their base, knowing that by through party affiliation and/or gerrymandering, it will not hurt their reelection chances.

It seems the base in red kansas didn't like the way their politicos were playing to them so they changed the song last night.

 

[Questerr]

If you aren't smart enough to realize that any single act of intercourse could in fact result in pregnancy then you don't need to having intercourse. I put put play Russian Roulette and 5 times out of 6 i'm ok. I can run across a busy 6 lane highway at peak rush hour and most of the time I might make it safely, it's still very risky. That ain't good odds. In the case of intercourse, you are talking about a life in the balance and rubbing out that life if you don't like the result of your intercourse. It's cold and irresponsible not to understand the risks and the responsibilities. The left have taken the position and promoted it for 50+ years that a baby in the womb is neither living nor an human being. That is just not true. They do thins to promote their agenda. As long as they convince our children at an early age and our young mothers to be that it's not really a child, they can get away with it. If they tell them it's a baby, a child, a human being you are whipping out, it becomes much harder to do. IMO.
Abortion clinics, planned parenthood don't give counseling on how to handle your unexpected pregnancy, how to raise that child because they want to push abortion. They don't what to preform an ultrasound and let the mother see the baby or hear the heartbeat because then reality sets in. It's a cold, cruel business.

Every time you get into a car, there is a chance you could get hit by a drunk driver. Does that mean you are consenting to being hit by a drunk driver if it happens?

I am perfectly fine with saying a baby is a human, even going to far as to saying it’s a person. But that doesn’t help your case, because no person has the right to use the body of another person against their will.

 

[bongsaway]

If you aren't smart enough to realize that any single act of intercourse could in fact result in pregnancy then you don't need to having intercourse. I put put play Russian Roulette and 5 times out of 6 i'm ok. I can run across a busy 6 lane highway at peak rush hour and most of the time I might make it safely, it's still very risky. That ain't good odds. In the case of intercourse, you are talking about a life in the balance and rubbing out that life if you don't like the result of your intercourse. It's cold and irresponsible not to understand the risks and the responsibilities. The left have taken the position and promoted it for 50+ years that a baby in the womb is neither living nor an human being. That is just not true. They do thins to promote their agenda. As long as they convince our children at an early age and our young mothers to be that it's not really a child, they can get away with it. If they tell them it's a baby, a child, a human being you are whipping out, it becomes much harder to do. IMO.
Abortion clinics, planned parenthood don't give counseling on how to handle your unexpected pregnancy, how to raise that child because they want to push abortion. They don't what to preform an ultrasound and let the mother see the baby or hear the heartbeat because then reality sets in. It's a cold, cruel business.

Do you think teens with hormones raging think like grown adults? Heck there are plenty of grown adults who can't stop thinking beyond sex. Why not just keep your nose out of others sex lives and what they choose to do? Did you know that yesterday somewhere in america a woman got an abortion? Did it affect you in any way?

 

[Razoo]

I think that the politico's in many of these states are playing to their base, knowing that by through party affiliation and/or gerrymandering, it will not hurt their reelection chances.

What it would take is a ton of old school republicans of which many are moderates is to dump this Fake Republican Mess that Koch/ALEC has established throughout the USA. A big focus for ALEC is the takeover of state governments, boards of education, municipal water supplies, health insurance connections wherever tax dollars are supporting a service.

It's their back door to privatization in which the primary attraction are trillions of tax dollars which would make their privatization profiteering effort a massive success. The victims will be the taxpayers.

 

[Liberal7360]

It's back to the States so the People get to decide.
Using leftist logic, it's better to let big brother federal government run our lives.
I supported repealing Roe v Wade, but I'm pro choice.
Good on the People of Kansas to realize the importance of allowing at least 1st term abortions.
Republicans need to accept that abortion is what minimizes poor populations as well as lowering crime rates.

What you posted isn't true.

Only ONE state voted on abortion only because the state constitution didn't allow the politicians in Kansas ban abortion. They first had to change the constitution to do it. The people stopped them.

The rest of the states that have banned or nearly banned abortion was not done by the vote of the people. It was done by the politicians of that state. The people had absolutely no say in the matter.

So now, the only way people in those states that it was forced on them by politicians, is to vote out all the republicans and vote in pro choice democrats to bring choice back to their states.

That won't happen until November.

Stop saying it went to the people. Many states don't have a ballot initiative process and after last night, no republican politician is going to put it on any ballot for anyone to vote on. They know abortion will win if they do that.

What is happening is that politicians of most of the states that banned abortion are banning it.

NOT the people of the state.

You say it went to the people of the states but it didn't. It went to the politicians of the state who quickly passed legislation to ban or nearly ban abortion without the say of the people of the state.

What you don't realize is that Roe V Wade made it safe for center right and moderate republicans to vote republican. No matter how crazy they are about abortion they couldn't ban it. Now they can so all those center right and moderate republicans will now be voting democratic to get their rights back and will not vote for another republican again as long as they will ban abortion.

Sending it to the states is very bad for republicans. It will cause a lot of republicans to lose their jobs in November and will make it nearly impossible for an anti choice politician to win an election which means, republicans won't win elections for a while until they learn to stop taking away our rights.

 

[Michael Cole]

Women are the largest voting bloc in the USA. Women could own the USA government if they would vote. Women's Wages, Women's Rights and Women's Right to choose need women at the forefront everyday.

Many issues should be put to the voters thus removing the impact of special interest bribery dollars from the equation.

Many issues are put to the voters in many states. We legalized weed here with a referendum.

Though I'm impressed with the Kansas result, this is a dangerous way to remove constitutional rights. Constitutions are supposed to protect rights from the whim of the majority. If they can be removed at the whim of the majority, such constitutions would seem to be weak.

 

[bongsaway]

If you aren't smart enough to realize that any single act of intercourse could in fact result in pregnancy then you don't need to having intercourse. I put put play Russian Roulette and 5 times out of 6 i'm ok. I can run across a busy 6 lane highway at peak rush hour and most of the time I might make it safely, it's still very risky. That ain't good odds. In the case of intercourse, you are talking about a life in the balance and rubbing out that life if you don't like the result of your intercourse. It's cold and irresponsible not to understand the risks and the responsibilities. The left have taken the position and promoted it for 50+ years that a baby in the womb is neither living nor an human being. That is just not true. They do thins to promote their agenda. As long as they convince our children at an early age and our young mothers to be that it's not really a child, they can get away with it. If they tell them it's a baby, a child, a human being you are whipping out, it becomes much harder to do. IMO.
Abortion clinics, planned parenthood don't give counseling on how to handle your unexpected pregnancy, how to raise that child because they want to push abortion. They don't what to preform an ultrasound and let the mother see the baby or hear the heartbeat because then reality sets in. It's a cold, cruel business.

Seriously stupid statement. As long as 'they' convince, the dreaded they at it again. If women didn't believe it wasn't living, why would they seek an abortion? 'They' do this to promote 'their' agenda, the dreaded they again. If a woman is pregnant what exactly do you think they are pregnant with? Some alien that abducted them a few weeks ago?

Just keep your nose out of others business and life will improve for you.

 

[Razoo]

Women are the largest voting bloc in the USA. Women could own the USA government if they would vote. Women's Wages, Women's Rights and Women's Right to choose need women at the forefront everyday.

Many issues should be put to the voters thus removing the impact of special interest bribery dollars from the equation.


Many issues should be put to the voters:
Single Payer
Public Education
Local Water
Social Security
USPS
Voting Rights
Funding 2 year or 4 year College degrees and/or Vo-Tech thus wiping out the scandalous loan rip off
Veterans Benefits
Environmental Protection
Gun Regulation
STOP Deregulation
Mandate Highway/Bridge Maintenance
HR 1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/05/hr1-bill-what-is-it/
https://www.rollcall.com/2019/03/06/10-things-you-might-not-know-about-hr-1/

The majority of voters are smart people thus we can decide without lobbyists and corrupt bribery.

 

[Blue Dog]

What it demonstrated is that not all red states march in lockstep on the abortion issue.

I would further opine that there are more pro choice republican voters than people realize.

 

[Channe79]

Is that what you guys tell each other? You're moderates? Least extreme, lol, he sure fooled you guys. He's the most extreme and most corrupt president I can remember in my almost seventy years. He's way worse than the nixon/agnew administration.

How, exactly ? He kept Putin and North Korea at bay. He oversaw the lowest unemployment rate in history of Black, Latino, and Asian Americans (pre covid). Our military was strong and our enemies feared us.

 

[Channe79]

Women are the largest voting bloc in the USA. Women could own the USA government if they would vote. Women's Wages, Women's Rights and Women's Right to choose need women at the forefront everyday.

LOL That's cute. The fact is, women have the rights that men allow them, period. If you don't believe me, ask the women of Afghanistan seeing as how as soon as the taliban took over (thanks to Biden), they're all now behind burqas. This BS feminist logic of "women are the largest voting block" won't matter once the chips are down.

 

[MrWonka]

All of these states that jumped on the ban abortion bandwagon, is it the legislators who want abortion banned or the people themselves? I think kansas was a good indicator that the people on this issue don't want what the politicians want.

This is the fundamental reality of all Republican positions. The Republican party is a coalition of crazies. Religious nuts, gun wackos, racist pieces of shit, and cheap assholes who don't care about anyone but themselves. While there is some overlap between these groups for sure, each of these groups has essentially 1 issue and 1 issue only that causes them to vote for the Republican party. Abortion, Guns, Walls, Taxes.

The overwhelming majority of Americans agree with Democrats on each of these individual issues. However, the lunatics who care about these things are so mentally insane that they don't care about anything else and will vote against their own best interest for that one thing.

The result, however, is that when Republicans do manage to get the power they have no choice but to fight for each of these incredibly unpopular positions because the crazies who want it will be furious with them if they don't, and they can't win at all if any one of these groups desert them.

The tax assholes may not be super racist and may be fine with Abortion, but they can't get their tax cuts without it.

This is why we must destroy the two-party system and replace it with Rank Choice voting. If we pushed for it nationally, I think you'd find a lot more support for it in the Republican party than you realize.

 

[Razoo]

What it demonstrated is that not all red states march in lockstep on the abortion issue.

I would further opine that there are more pro choice republican voters than people realize.

Yes on your pro choice GOP women. Some were speaking out of behalf of Women's Right to Choose. I believe it was those moderate repubs that help provide the wide margin of victory.

 

[Razoo]

This is the fundamental reality of all Republican positions. The Republican party is a coalition of crazies. Religious nuts, gun wackos, racist pieces of shit, and cheap assholes who don't care about anyone but themselves. While there is some overlap between these groups for sure, each of these groups has essentially 1 issue and 1 issue only that causes them to vote for the Republican party. Abortion, Guns, Walls, Taxes.

The overwhelming majority of Americans agree with Democrats on each of these individual issues. However, the lunatics who care about these things are so mentally insane that they don't care about anything else and will vote against their own best interest for that one thing.

The result, however, is that when Republicans do manage to get the power they have no choice but to fight for each of these incredibly unpopular positions because the crazies who want it will be furious with them if they don't, and they can't win at all if any one of these groups desert them.

The tax assholes may not be super racist and may be fine with Abortion, but they can't get their tax cuts without it.

This is why we must destroy the two-party system and replace it with Rank Choice voting. If we pushed for it nationally, I think you'd find a lot more support for it in the Republican party than you realize.

hear hear

 

[What if...?]

Eventually, I can't. Which is why I'm pro choice.
Mind you, my reason for being pro choice is not necessarily a case of the 'value of life,' but the value of society diminishing by forcing poor women in crime ridden areas to have babies that will end up becoming angry and resort to crime and violence.

I’m in the “too damn many people on the planet already” camp.

And it’s the quality of those unwanted children’s lives I’m concerned about, not whether or not they’ll be a problem for me personally.

 

[What if...?]

This assumption here is probably the biggest mistake of the left these days. Most Trump supporters, including myself, are moderate AT BEST. We voted for Trump in 2016 because he was the least extreme Republican on the ticket. We were tired of the neocons like Bush and Cheney who did the will of Israel and oil corporations. We wanted someone who just put country first.

And got someone who put himself first.

 

[Channe79]

I think kansas was a good indicator that the people on this issue don't want what the politicians want.

Kind of like how the majority of female athletes do not want to allow trans 'women' to compete against but woke leftist democrats keep passing laws enabling them ?

This is why we must destroy the two-party system and replace it with Rank Choice voting. If we pushed for it nationally, I think you'd find a lot more support for it in the Republican party than you realize.

This would allow someone with only 35% of the vote to run the remaining 65% if there were more than two parties. We can barley handle 52-48 presidents.

 

[Deuce]

It's back to the States so the People get to decide.
Using leftist logic, it's better to let big brother federal government run our lives.
I supported repealing Roe v Wade, but I'm pro choice.
Good on the People of Kansas to realize the importance of allowing at least 1st term abortions.
Republicans need to accept that abortion is what minimizes poor populations as well as lowering crime rates.

What are you talking about? Protecting rights at the federal level is smaller government, not bigger government.

 

[Channe79]

What are you talking about? Protecting rights at the federal level is smaller government, not bigger government.

If a right wing federal government forced every States to allow Constitutional Carry because of the 2nd government, would you consider that "small government" ? That's basically what happened with Roe decades ago; the federal government told States they had to allow doctors to perform abortions.

 

[Deuce]

If a right wing federal government forced every States to allow Constitutional Carry because of the 2nd government, would you consider that "small government" ? That's basically what happened with Roe decades ago; the federal government told States they had to allow doctors to perform abortions.

Stopping a state from reducing freedom is smaller government, yes.

You're defining "big" or "small" based on the rights of a state instead of the rights of the people in it.

 

[MrWonka]

This would allow someone with only 35% of the vote to run the remaining 65% if there were more than two parties. We can barley handle 52-48 presidents.

Wrong. Because currently no matter who wins half the country hates them, and a big part of the reason why is the two-party system itself. Because there are only two realistic possibilities for a winner, each candidate knows that in order to win you have to make the majority of Americans hate the other candidate more than you.

In a ranked-choice system, you need 2nd and 3rd place votes to win. The result is that it will be far more beneficial to avoid pissing off the supporters of other candidates who may be closer to you. A liberal candidate and a libertarian candidate would be far more likely to focus on the common ground between them in order to try and get 2nd place votes from each other. Whereas an extremist candidate like Trump with hateful and disgusting positions would be more likely to be piled on by all candidates.

Imagine a 2016 election with Hillary, Bernie, Stein, Gary Johnson, Mitt Romney, and Trump all running in the election. Trump might get 20% of the 1st place votes, but he would get almost no 2nd place votes. One of the other 5 candidates would have almost certainly won, and because the American public wasn't subjected to anywhere even close to the number of negative attacks, the majority of Americans would have a much more favorable view of the winner, even if they weren't their first choice.

 

[Luce]

Every time you get into a car, there is a chance you could get hit by a drunk driver. Does that mean you are consenting to being hit by a drunk driver if it happens?

More to the point, will he hypocritically seek medical treatment for his injuries?

 

[uptower]

Yes the people have spoken. Now watch Kansas legislators find another way to force this law on an unwilling population. Also watch red states in general avoid or cancel any planned similar referendums. They know their theocratic laws are unpopular but it won't stop them.

 

[bongsaway]

How, exactly ? He kept Putin and North Korea at bay. He oversaw the lowest unemployment rate in history of Black, Latino, and Asian Americans (pre covid). Our military was strong and our enemies feared us.

If that isn't the typical republican response, blah, blah, blah. Trump great.