Did politics drive prosecution in Trayvon Martin case?

[joko104]

No dear.
They are just possible witnesses.

They won't be testifying. Just names on a list for the media to see and explore, nothing else. Its all for the media and to deal with political extortion by the Federal DOJ.

Sharon seems to believe that the prosecution can call anyone and everyone who has anything to say bad about Zimmerman and - then I suppose - the Defense can call everyone who says by their experience Zimmerman is a good person.

If that were allowed, trials would last years or decades. Everyone in the complex could be called for their opinion. Everyone who ever know Zimmerman could be called. Hundreds and hundreds of people. Anyone he went to school with. Knew in church. Teachers. etc etc. Hundreds of people saying they like Zimmerman and think is good and acts good and hundeds of people saying they think Zimmerman is violent and a scoundle. And thousands and thousands of annedotal recounts of actions by Zimmerman that may reveal if he is nice or mean, compassionate or hateful, etc, etc.


LOL!

 

[pragmatic]

Don't know if anyone has posted this on the forum yet. Thought it was a semi-fascinating video. Was created the day after the Trayvon Martin event. And it seems to follow the police phone transcript relatively closely.

(Curious point. I watched the full "15 minute evidence version" of this video a couple of hours ago. Since then, they seem to all be getting pulled from the web. Can no longer find one.)

George Zimmerman Reenacts Struggle, Shooting | Video - ABC News


(this one may work...)

WATCH: Video Shows George Zimmerman Reenacting Fight with Trayvon Martin | NewsFeed | TIME.com

Just curious. Did anyone in the discussion actually watch the police video where Zimmerman stepped though the event....??

 

[whysoserious]

Just curious. Did anyone in the discussion actually watch the police video where Zimmerman stepped though the event....??

Why do you ask?

 

[pragmatic]

Why do you ask?

Uhhh...

Cuz i was curious??

 

[joko104]

Did you watch it?

 

[pragmatic]

Did you watch it?

Yep.

You...?

 

[Removable Mind]

Says the person who has no idea what they are talking about.

Exactly. I have no idea what I'm talking about because of the obvious. There's too much misinformation and lack of information. But, you and Ric love to do your Legal Psychic Network stuff. Carry on. When I need a spark of humor in my day. I just pop in a Z and M thread, catch up on the latest episode of the Legal Psychic Network program co-hosted by you and Ric.

 

[joko104]

Yep.

You...?

Yes I did.

 

[Excon]

Exactly. I have no idea what I'm talking about because of the obvious. There's too much misinformation and lack of information.

And you are wrong.
We have enough information. And we have been told about the evidence in toto. There is no evidence to dispute Zimmerman's claim of self defense.



Get over it, and your silliness in trying to deride others. It is lame.

 

[pragmatic]

And you are wrong.
We have enough information. And we have been told about the evidence in toto. There is no evidence to dispute Zimmerman's claim of self defense.

Get over it, and your silliness in trying to deride others. It is lame.

That seems a silly statement to make (and likely inaccurate). What are you basing it on...?

 

[Excon]

That seems a silly statement to make (and likely inaccurate). What are you basing it on...?

:doh
Late comers. They always try to throw a wrench into information that has already been established.

The sentence that came after it.
Which is a paraphrase of of what both the Chief of police said, and that of the lead investigator.

Here the lead investigator is being quoted.

"[...] Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

[...]"

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin's family asks for Department of Justice review of State Attorney and police chief - Orlando Sentinel
​

Here Chief Lee is being quoted.

March 12

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have," Lee said.​

Florida teen's shooting by watchman questioned - CNN



March 21

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. said Monday that his department has nearly completed “a thorough and fair investigation” into the fatal shooting of a Miami high school junior, but said police do not have anything at this point to dispute shooter George Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.​

Nothing to Dispute Sanford Shooter's Self-Defense Claim in Miami Boy's Death: Police Chief | NBC 6 Miami​

 

[pragmatic]

:doh
Late comers. They always try to throw a wrench into information that has already been established.

The sentence that came after it.
Which is a paraphrase of of what both the Chief of police said, and that of the lead investigator.

Here the lead investigator is being quoted.

"[...] Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

[...]"

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin's family asks for Department of Justice review of State Attorney and police chief - Orlando Sentinel
​

Here Chief Lee is being quoted.

March 12

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have," Lee said.​

Florida teen's shooting by watchman questioned - CNN



March 21

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. said Monday that his department has nearly completed “a thorough and fair investigation” into the fatal shooting of a Miami high school junior, but said police do not have anything at this point to dispute shooter George Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.​

Nothing to Dispute Sanford Shooter's Self-Defense Claim in Miami Boy's Death: Police Chief | NBC 6 Miami​

Was questioning your statement regarding "evidence in toto"? And why you would think that the public has been provided with all the evidence?

Am guessing that much more will be learned/confirmed/dismissed at a trial.

 

[Removable Mind]

Was questioning your statement regarding "evidence in toto"? And why you would think that the public has been provided with all the evidence?

Am guessing that much more will be learned/confirmed/dismissed at a trial.

Cole, welcome to the Legal Psychics Network. You'll be thoroughly entertained with all of the misinformation, speculations, and of course the stuff just made up.

 

[ric27]

Was questioning your statement regarding "evidence in toto"? And why you would think that the public has been provided with all the evidence?

Am guessing that much more will be learned/confirmed/dismissed at a trial.

Just stick with, the reasonable doubt standard. One must be really, really sure before you convict Zim of a crime.

A gut hunch without solid evidence to disprove Zim's account....It leaves you no choice but to acquit.

.

 

[Excon]

Was questioning your statement regarding "evidence in toto"?

What?
You somehow think I didn't notice what you emboldened? lol

My reply clearly addressed that.

When you are told that no evidence exists to dispute his claim, do you think they were just speaking about a singular piece of evidence, or the evidence in toto?

And why you would think that the public has been provided with all the evidence?

My reply to you never said any such thing.
Secondly; we were told what the evidence they have totals. Nothing to dispute his claim of self-defense.

But, what other evidence do you think exists that we haven't been told about?
We have his account.
We have the multiple 911 calls.
We have the girls friends account.

There is nothing more to be had except finer details. And of those finer details we already know that nothing exists to dispute his claim of self-defense.

Yes, we do know enough.

Am guessing that much more will be learned/confirmed/dismissed at a trial.

Guess all you want.
It isn't going to change the evidence we already have.

 

[pragmatic]

Just stick with, the reasonable doubt standard. One must be really, really sure before you convict Zim of a crime.

A gut hunch without solid evidence to disprove Zim's account....It leaves you no choice but to acquit.

.

Have followed the details of the Trayvon Martin case relatively close since the story broke. The event was tragic but so has the effort by many on the left to distort/sensationalize it into something it (apparently) was not.

Suspect the primary reason Angela Corey decided to file the 2nd degree murder charge was in hopes to frighten Zimmerman into plea bargaining to a lesser charge (and achieving her goal of chalking up a "conviction").

Unless some major new revelation comes out, really don't see any chance of 12 people on a jury convicting Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder. Or even manslaughter for that matter.

 

[rocket88]

I understand that you do not believe there is enough information to draw any conclusions about this case.
Yet that information basically says you are wrong.

There's another side to the story to be sure. There always is. In this case we'll never hear that side, because only two people know what really happened and one of them is dead.

Based on the lack of evidence, it would be almost impossible to convict, but that doesn't mean we really know the truth.

 

[pragmatic]

What?
You somehow think I didn't notice what you emboldened? lol

My reply clearly addressed that.

When you are told that no evidence exists to dispute his claim, do you think they were just speaking about a singular piece of evidence, or the evidence in toto?


My reply to you never said any such thing.
Secondly; we were told what the evidence they have totals. Nothing to dispute his claim of self-defense.

But, what other evidence do you think exists that we haven't been told about?
We have his account.
We have the multiple 911 calls.
We have the girls friends account.

There is nothing more to be had except finer details. And of those finer details we already know that nothing exists to dispute his claim of self-defense.

Yes, we do know enough.




Guess all you want.
It isn't going to change the evidence we already have.

Do agree the evidence that has been released to this point suggests Zimmerman acted in self-defense. And believe the content of the recently released "re-enactment video" seems to bode well for Zimmerman's case.

But there are still forensic and crime scene details about the actual point of altercation that are yet unknown to the public. Don't want to see him (Zimmerman) railroaded. But he also needs to he held accountable if his actions in fact crossed a line. Details do matter.

 

[sharon]

In Florida this will be a six man jury.

Are you convinced that people on the left are the only ones who believe in due process and equl justice under the law?

Have followed the details of the Trayvon Martin case relatively close since the story broke. The event was tragic but so has the effort by many on the left to distort/sensationalize it into something it (apparently) was not.

Suspect the primary reason Angela Corey decided to file the 2nd degree murder charge was in hopes to frighten Zimmerman into plea bargaining to a lesser charge (and achieving her goal of chalking up a "conviction").

Unless some major new revelation comes out, really don't see any chance of 12 people on a jury convicting Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder. Or even manslaughter for that matter.

 

[pragmatic]

In Florida this will be a six man jury.

Are you convinced that people on the left are the only ones who believe in due process and equl justice under the law?

Nope. And don't believe i ever suggested any such thing.

What exactly are you talking about....???

 

[dolphinocean]

:doh
Late comers. They always try to throw a wrench into information that has already been established.

The sentence that came after it.
Which is a paraphrase of of what both the Chief of police said, and that of the lead investigator.

Here the lead investigator is being quoted.

"[...] Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

[...]"

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin's family asks for Department of Justice review of State Attorney and police chief - Orlando Sentinel
​

Here Chief Lee is being quoted.

March 12

"The evidence and testimony we have so far does not establish that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. We don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense, at this point, with the evidence and testimony that we have," Lee said.​

Florida teen's shooting by watchman questioned - CNN



March 21

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. said Monday that his department has nearly completed “a thorough and fair investigation” into the fatal shooting of a Miami high school junior, but said police do not have anything at this point to dispute shooter George Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.​

Nothing to Dispute Sanford Shooter's Self-Defense Claim in Miami Boy's Death: Police Chief | NBC 6 Miami​

Everything they said they had did not even include the ear-witness, DeeDee. Did they even look for Zimmerman's blood on the concrete sidewalk where he claimed his head was slammed repeatedly intoand with his nose bleeding all that?

Or did they bangled the case because the ex-police chief had already decided there is no need for further investigation because Zimmerman's story was good enough?

 

[HoongLoong]

a man kills a young man under very questionable circumstances, and he doesn't face any criminal charges whatsoever?

that is what caused the uproar.

however, he should not be charged with Murder 2. That was a mistake.

Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
...Thunder has no evidence what so ever...
...I dont know why he hates Mexicans and worships blacks like he does, but he does....
...nothing Zimmerman could have done that night short of letting the black thug beat him to death would have pleased Thunder.....

Thunder probably knows, more or less, what the rest of us know about the case. I am not sure whether Thunder hates Mexicans but I agree with dontworryetc as far as the rest of his assessment about Thunder.

 

[HoongLoong]

In Florida this will be a six man jury.

Are you convinced that people on the left are the only ones who believe in due process and equl justice under the law?

That is preposterous. It's like asking if people on the left are the only ones believing that breathing air is OK. Kinda indicates the left's thinking process and their presumptuous opinion that only they occupy the high ground.

 

[Excon]

But there are still forensic and crime scene details about the actual point of altercation that are yet unknown to the public. Don't want to see him (Zimmerman) railroaded. But he also needs to he held accountable if his actions in fact crossed a line. Details do matter.

:doh
And we have already been told that no evidence exists to dispute Zimmerman's claim of self defense.

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Everything they said they had did not even include the ear-witness,

Wrong!

Everything they said they had did not even include ... , DeeDee.

DeDe would not cooperate.
And she had already lawyered up with the family's attorney Crump and still would not cooperate. She is not a credible witness because of it.
And she did not release any information until after portions of Zimmerman's account was released.
She is not a credible witness because of it.
Then she straight up lied and said the Zimmerman sounded like an old man, when we all know he doesn't.
She is not a credible witness because of it.

Did they even look for Zimmerman's blood on the concrete sidewalk where he claimed his head was slammed repeatedly intoand with his nose bleeding all that?

:doh
The proof needed that it happened, was the fresh wounds and blood on his head.

 

[joko104]

Have followed the details of the Trayvon Martin case relatively close since the story broke. The event was tragic but so has the effort by many on the left to distort/sensationalize it into something it (apparently) was not.

Suspect the primary reason Angela Corey decided to file the 2nd degree murder charge was in hopes to frighten Zimmerman into plea bargaining to a lesser charge (and achieving her goal of chalking up a "conviction").



Unless some major new revelation comes out, really don't see any chance of 12 people on a jury convicting Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder. Or even manslaughter for that matter.

Both the judge and DA are applying every possible pressure to face Zimmerman to plea out. And it clear why the DA did NOT go thru a grand jury, isn't it?

The judge ordered as a condition of being out on bail Zimmerman can not be employed and his income must be and remain $0 - until he either confesses, pleas out or is found not guilty of course.\
The DA attempted to have ever dollar donated to Zimmerman required to be given to a bondsman for his fee - a fee not refunded - to leave Zimmerman with $0.
They have Zimmerman in solitary and isolation, considered torturous throughout modern civilization.
They are now extorting him with prosecution of his wife.
Over and over they demonstrate total power, including corrupt and bizarre power, to demonstrate that all of government and the powers that be are against him and he can't possibly win. But at least he could plea a deal that includes no jail for his wife and at least he could see some end to it all. If nothing else, he could then be in a prison and no longer in a small isolation solitary small steel box.

In any normal case I agree a conviction would be impossible. But not if the jury is stacked the right way. Not if the defense continues to be in alliance with the DA. Not in front of this novice criminal judge making unprecidented bizarre rulings for the DA - such as ordering Zimmerman have $0 income and no employment while out on bail.