dthmstr254
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ask any scientist and they will answer the same, this world and these material things are finite, meaning they have a beginning and an end, every person that walks this earth is born and will die at some point in time, so this leads us to the logical conclusion that the same goes for matter. classic deductive reasoning.Thinker said:No we haven't. No such thing has been established. If it has, it should be easy
for you to provide a reference to the relevant paper in the scientific literature.
dthmstr254 said:ask any scientist and they will answer the same, this world and these material things are finite, meaning they have a beginning and an end, every person that walks this earth is born and will die at some point in time, so this leads us to the logical conclusion that the same goes for matter. classic deductive reasoning.
steen said:So it was "silliness" that ...
steen said:Oh? You are not referring to silly claims of the Bible such as a "world-wide flood" that cannot possibly be true, were you? You are not trying to present allegories as facts, are you?
steen said:Instead of being such a silly coward, owe up to your refusal to deal with facts. (There, are we done with the personal insults or are you going to spew even more?)
steen said:So you are admitting personal belief rather than facts, yes.
counter the counter withThinker said:If you look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1951406.stm you
will find two scientists (Princeton, US, and Cambridge University, UK) who would
not "answer the same". So your assertion has been proved wrong by counter
example. That is classic reasoning.
Your deduction that the existence of matter is related to the existence of things
made from that matter is far from logical. That is classic erroneous reasoning.
this is from their website. we could go back and forth showing scientists who would beg to differ. that would be outright flaming, and i dont think that i am interested in a debate that is heavy on math as i do not like the subject. please, shall we move on to a different topic?Dr. Jay L. Wile, author of the Apologia curriculum, holds an earned Ph.D. from the University of Rochester in nuclear chemistry and a B.S. in chemistry from the same institution. He has won several awards for excellence in teaching and has presented numerous lectures on the topics of Nuclear Chemistry, Christian Apologetics, Homeschooling, and Creation vs. Evolution. In addition, he has published 30 articles on these subjects in nationally-recognized journals. His teaching credentials include:
The University of Rochester
Indiana University
Ball State University
The Indiana Academy for Science, Mathematics and Humanities (a high school for gifted and talented students)
Dr. Wile is currently devoting his full time to the various Apologia ministries. He is dedicated to the concept of home schooling and is trying to keep as many students in home school for as long as possible.
Dr. Wile is an accomplished lecturer and will speak to your organization on a variety of topics. Please E-MAIL us at jlwile@highschoolscience.com for more information.
dthmstr254 said:counter the counter with
http://www.jaywile.com/
this is from their website. we could go back and forth showing scientists who would beg to differ. that would be outright flaming, and i dont think that i am interested in a debate that is heavy on math as i do not like the subject. please, shall we move on to a different topic?
Thinker said:I see. How do you connect the continuing existence of people mentioned in the bible to evidence of supernatural biblical events?
Thinker said:What particular supernatural event are you talking about?
Limits on child bearing are statistical. That means that there will a rangeleejosepho said:The Hebrews "continuing existance" is not the whole of the matter, but they had a "supernatural beginning" of sorts -- Abraham's wife was beyond her child-bearing years, and Abraham had long since given up on ever having a son -- and have since "supernaturally survived and thrived" in a world that yet contains much acted-upon hatred toward them.
You mentioned that place many times. What you had not mentionedHave you not heard me mention Sinai?
YHWH's appearance at Sinai is part of the overall and insoluble "glue",
tenacity and common-to-all sense-of-purpose of a magnitude known only to
the Hebrew people.
Thinker said:There is nothing supernatural about the occasional woman conceiving late in life ...
Thinker said:You mentioned that place [Sinai] many times. What you had not mentioned was a specific supernatural event.
Thinker said:I have no clear idea what you mean by that. Would you care to rewrite it in simple non-convoluted language?
Thinker said:I assume that your supernatural event is a "vision" one man had ...
Thinker said:[Any] old story reporting the claims that [only] one man had a vision is not evidence.
ok, correction, ask any non left wing liberal scientist and they will tell you that what i said is true.Thinker said:You were the one making the claim "ask any scientist and they will answer the
same". I made no claim about all scientists, rather I simply demonstrated that
your claim was easy to prove false.
If you are happy to accept that your original claim that "we have already
established that matter has a beginning and an end" was false, we can
move on.
if you mean to interpret YHWH, we as Christians and/or Jews are not permitted to communicate that in full writing, as it is the most holy name of God, we must therefore leave the vowels out. if you want to see the full translation, here:I have no clear idea what you mean by that. Would you care to rewrite it in
simple non-convoluted language?
What it looks like caused the Big Bang.dthmstr254 said:eeehhh, i am learning to be a lawyer major and ministry minor, what in the world is quantum singularity inversion.
Huh? The Scientific Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang. I am not sure why you are trying to draw an irrelevant connection here?all i know about most evolutionists is that they are naturalists, meaning that they believe in what they see, which means matter. we have already established that matter has a beginning and an end.
That's nice. What do you have in the actual form of factual knowledge about the Scientific Theory of Evolution? I didn't exactly see a strong Science background in your credentials that you apparently saw a need to mention.so that means that if you go far enough back then nothing of matter exists, meaning no energy, no energy means no explosion, and no explosion means no big bang. i have very good skills when it comes to abductive reasoning, i should warn you.
I am a scientists, and I am saying your claim is false. Please don't start off here making blatantly false statements about others, OK? Your knowledge of quantum physics mechanics seems to be absolutely nil.dthmstr254 said:ask any scientist and they will answer the same,
"classic deductive reasoning," my @$$ It is pure sophistry.this world and these material things are finite, meaning they have a beginning and an end, every person that walks this earth is born and will die at some point in time, so this leads us to the logical conclusion that the same goes for matter. classic deductive reasoning.
Really? Scientific facts depends on one's political leanings? Your claims are even sillier than I first thought. Not only do you seem ignorant of the Scientific Theory of Evolution. You seem utterly ignorant of the Scientific Method and Science in general. Please assure us otherwise, so we don't feel we are wasting our time dealing with utter ignorance.dthmstr254 said:ok, correction, ask any non left wing liberal scientist and they will tell you that what i said is true.
Entrophy would be one thing that lasts forever.Viper said:Steen, you’re a scientist…in all sincerity could you tell me what does last forever?
dthmstr254 said:ok, correction, ask any non left wing liberal scientist and they will tell you that what i said is true.
leejosepho said:I will gladly do so after you have re-worded your request in a more civil manner.
dthmstr254 said:ok, correction, ask any non left wing liberal scientist and they will tell you that what i said is true.
Thinker said:You, as someone who accuses me of being "ignorant, stupid or just plain ill-willed" (in another thread), are a hyprocrite to charge me with being uncivil.
dthmstr254 said:if you mean to interpret YHWH ...
leejosepho said:YHWH's appearance at Sinai is part of the overall and insoluble "glue", tenacity and common-to-all sense-of-purpose of a magnitude known only to the Hebrew people.
leejosepho said:I have made no such accusation, and your tone would sound no different even if I had.
However, I will admit I was being "civilly tacky" (an oxymoron for which I apologize) when purposefully thinking out loud as I did.
I am honestly having a difficult time figuring out whether you are
ignorant, stupid or just plain ill-willed, alleged thinker.
Thinker said:In message #75 of the thread ...
Are you a liar or did you have a convenient lapse of memory?
leejosepho said:Neither. Rather, and with still other possibilities later coming to mind, I simply (and tackily) "thought out loud" (for the purpose of intimidation) while pondering an actual question present within my own mind ...
... something like, "Why does Thinker act likes he does in discussions with me?" ...
... and I have yet to draw any actual conclusion (and do not intend to do so) as would be required in order to make an accusation.
dthmstr254 said:eeehhh, i am learning to be a lawyer major and ministry minor, what in the world is quantum singularity inversion.
all i know about most evolutionists is that they are naturalists, meaning that they believe in what they see, which means matter. we have already established that matter has a beginning and an end.
dthmstr254 said:we have already established that matter has a beginning and an end.
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