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Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing anyone of the victim mentality. Im just debating the point with you is all.
Like I said, I don't know the reason the black race hasn't improved as fast as other races. Couldn't tell you. But I don't believe we can say slavery is the cause, or even one of the causes, anymore.
I suppose it's not accurate to say "it's just slavery." It's the entire legacy of racism and slavery in this country, up to and including the Jim Crow Era, which only ended a generation ago. The European immigrant comparison isn't particularly apt because despite their situation, they didn't suffer institutionalized, overt discrimination over several generations the way blacks have. Historically, there have been economic opportunities there for European immigrants that simply haven't been there for blacks. For instance, it wasn't even until World War II that Officer Candidate School really opened up its ranks to African-Americans.
Yeah I understand where you're coming from. I'm just trying to belabor the point that it isn't simply the slavery that happened 150 years ago. The slavery that happened back then can't be disconnected or disentangled from its own legacy, which resulted in Jim Crow, segregation, institutional discrimination and the like that only really ended in the 60s and 70s, and due to this, black people have only had about a generation or so to really even have a chance at pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and have a chance at some degree of socioeconomic mobility.
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Yeah I understand where you're coming from. I'm just trying to belabor the point that it isn't simply the slavery that happened 150 years ago. The slavery that happened back then can't be disconnected or disentangled from its own legacy, which resulted in Jim Crow, segregation, institutional discrimination and the like that only really ended in the 60s and 70s, and due to this, black people have only had about a generation or so to really even have a chance at pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
It can't be disconnected or disentangled, but when someone is finally given equality of rights, and the environment in which to compete and prosper, they must take the opportunity and use it to better their situation, their communities and their lives as a whole. I believe that much of what holds some of them back is the poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton keeping things stirred up. At some point, with every human, no matter the race, ethnicity, religion, or whatever you are holding onto as the reason your life is bad, you gotta let the bad **** go. It's like an abused woman who won't let go of her abusive spouse.
Well, I was just using slavery as a quick example. However, today, there are things such as institutionalized racism. Yet overall, I'd say that the main problem isn't racism, but economics.
Well, I was just using slavery as a quick example. However, today, there are things such as institutionalized racism. Yet overall, I'd say that the main problem isn't racism, but economics.
Economics? Explain please.
Sure. Black Americans first began in slavery and then from there to sharecropping in which there was no way to build the economy of black America. Due to the involvement of institutions and the government, the Civil Rights Movement was co-opted and watered down and the War On Drugs and the creation of welfare, became a way to incarcerate blacks en masse, thus furthering the problems of the black economy. If you want more detailed info, I would recommend reading this lengthy, but extremely interesting article (An Empire of Poverty: Race, Punishment, and Social Control « The People's Book Project).
Sure. Black Americans first began in slavery and then from there to sharecropping in which there was no way to build the economy of black America. Due to the involvement of institutions and the government, the Civil Rights Movement was co-opted and watered down and the War On Drugs and the creation of welfare, became a way to incarcerate blacks en masse, thus furthering the problems of the black economy. If you want more detailed info, I would recommend reading this lengthy, but extremely interesting article (An Empire of Poverty: Race, Punishment, and Social Control « The People's Book Project).
Racism, yes, in some portions of the country is still a problem. Slavery? No way. Slavery ended 150 years ago. Thats plenty of time to recover. Many a Irishman and Italian migrated to this country with little to no education, no knowledge of the English language (Italians), and no prospects. Those races are doing just fine. I'm not claiming to know why the black race hasn't prospered, but I know it can't be blamed on slavery anymore. That's ridiculous. As for the Jewish comparison, don't just think holocaust. Look back further at what that people has been through. Each time adversity came to them, they overcame it. As they still do today.
I wish this story would get more attention. This is an awesome display of motivated youths demanding they be educated. Those youths also happen to come from the black inner city of Detroit. Where's Al Shapton on this one? These kids need exposure. They need a voice larger than a back page story. This is the kind of stuff activists should get behind. Highlighting schools that fail their students. Highlighting absent fathers. These are the roots of the black community's struggles. If they tackle this stuff, I believe they would find a much more accepting and willing public arena to speak in when they set forth claims of racism and inequality. People like Al Sharpton, if they really want to help their race, should work on improving THEIR race and not everyone else's. You can't change the way people perceive you. But you can improve your perception of yourself. Bravo to these kids for taking an interest in their education when no one else would!
Detroit High School Protest: Students Suspended After Demanding 'An Education'
You had me until the war on drugs and welfare. No one crafted either of those programs as a way to "incarcerate blacks en masse" nor are they a way to "incarcerate blacks en masse". The war on drugs targeted hispanics just as much and more whites are on welfare than blacks. Also, I'd like to hear your explanation of the civil rights movement being "co opted".
I confident the teacher's union will solve all the problems at that school.
satire.
"Thread: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff"
Nice to see you play the race card right there in the title.
So, is it safe to assume you think blacks should stick to protesting black issues and whites should protest white ones?
Racially divide much?
While the Trayvon Martin shooting was certainly tragic, and I do think Zimmerman should be charged...theres LOTS for the Sharptons of the world to get involved with. Blacks in America are getting slaughtered daily. There should be marches, demonstrations...protests across the country. Something should be done.
FBI- 2010
White on White murders 2,777
White on Black murders came to 218;
Black on White murders came to 447, while
Black on Black murders came to 2,459.
Tragic. Truly.
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 6
I dont know...if they celebrate every death like its a blood orgy as they have done with the Trayvon Martin shooting (that 1 death occured on 26 February...wonder how many dead bodies have littered the streets since then) seems to me Revrund Al should have plenty o face time. Since Im sure they are truly invested in the welfare of citizens everywhere (and not just making this a race baiting issue), imagine the good they could do.Black-on-Black homocide doesn't give him enough facetime.
I dont know...if they celebrate every death like its a blood orgy as they have done with the Trayvon Martin shooting (that 1 death occured on 26 February...wonder how many dead bodies have littered the streets since then) seems to me Revrund Al should have plenty o face time. Since Im sure they are truly invested in the welfare of citizens everywhere (and not just making this a race baiting issue), imagine the good they could do.
Sad thing is...2010 was on OFF year. Im not sure but considering the death rates in Chicago alone I think they will by far surpass those totals. oh...and thats 'just' the deaths...not the total numbers of shootings. Hell we had 13 in one event in Florida on the day of the martin rally.
CHICAGO (AP) - A nephew of Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade was one of 13 men shot - two fatally - during a violent six-hour stretch in Chicago, another indication that violence is on the rise in the nation's third-largest city.
"Thread: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff"
Nice to see you play the race card right there in the title.
So, is it safe to assume you think blacks should stick to protesting black issues and whites should protest white ones?
Racially divide much?
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