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Detecting Design in Biology Using the Scientific Method

seymourflops said:
Oh you've read those?

A brief summary of their evidence, please?

Unless you haven't read them of course.
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LOL Oh hell no. The reason I posted them is because after reading your other posts, it's clear you need a basic foundational knowledge on the subject, period. You're not even prepared to discuss the issue. I got my education...if you are interested in the subject, I suggest you do the same.
 
Tlrmln said:
The whole thing is just a long-winded example of the god of the gaps fallacy, laced with false premises (e.g., irreducible complexity), special pleading, and a general tenor of non sequitur. It basically boils down to: we don't understand exactly how biology could be so complicated, therefore a "designer" must have done it (forget about where the designer must have come from).

The motivation is to fabricate credibility for the idea that the "theory" of Intelligent Design is scientifically sound.
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"If science has taught us anything, it is that we get no where calling our ignorance, god" I saw that in an evolution book once, sorry, can't name the person who made the quote, but it is completely accurate. Calling what we don't know god will never give us any actual answers, or make predictions, or create technology. Discovering actual facts does
 
Lloyd Christmas said:
"If science has taught us anything, it is that we get no where calling our ignorance, god" I saw that in an evolution book once, sorry, can't name the person who made the quote, but it is completely accurate. Calling what we don't know god will never give us any actual answers, or make predictions, or create technology. Discovering actual facts does
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I'm all for likening "god" with "ignorance," but definitely not in the way that saying intended.
 
seymourflops said:
"Flying dinosaurs?"

You don't seriously believe that archaeoraptor could fly, do you?
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All birds are descended from the flying dinosaurs so yes. You think birds were poofed into existence I suppose. You are big fan of magicians.
 
Tlrmln said:
I'm all for likening "god" with "ignorance," but definitely not in the way that saying intended.
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You deny that gods have been used to explain the "unexplainable"at least since Thor was throwing lightning bolts from Olympus?
 
iguanaman said:
You deny that gods have been used to explain the "unexplainable"at least since Thor was throwing lightning bolts from Olympus?
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No, that's not what I said at all.
 
iguanaman said:
That is what the quote was about. I guess you misinterpreted it.
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No, I interpreted it just fine. I think you misinterpreted my comment.
 
Tlrmln said:
No, I interpreted it just fine. I think you misinterpreted my comment.
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You said you did not agree with the quote. It stated that using God to explain the unexplainable "get us nowhere". Do you agree with that?
 
Lursa said:
LOL Oh hell no. The reason I posted them is because after reading your other posts, it's clear you need a basic foundational knowledge on the subject, period. You're not even prepared to discuss the issue. I got my education...if you are interested in the subject, I suggest you do the same.
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So you haven't read them. Just as I thought.

The old "here's a lengthy reading assignment after which you'll know I'm right" trick. It's better than the old "Google the internet and you'll find out I'm right" trick, but not much.

How about you, Peggy Sue, do you believe that so-called "Flying dinosaur" archaeoraptor could actually fly? Or used its wings in any way that improved its ability to survive?

Since I like you, I'll recommend you Google before you answer. Just please don't share the answer with @iguanaman or @watsup.
 
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iguanaman said:
You deny that gods have been used to explain the "unexplainable"at least since Thor was throwing lightning bolts from Olympus?
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Yes Gods have been used to explain the unexplainable for all of history and likely much of prehistory.

But something is needed to explain the unexplainable. Especially the origin of life which Darwin cultists conveniently claim is not part of their faith.

You can accept that there is an appearance of design in life on Earth and that the Darwinian and neo-Darwinian theories are based on conjecture and suppositions piled on assumptions. You can do that without believing in Zeuss, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a Guy in the Sky who strikes people down with furious anger.
 
seymourflops said:
Yes Gods have been used to explain the unexplainable for all of history and likely much of prehistory.

But something is needed to explain the unexplainable. Especially the origin of life which Darwin cultists conveniently claim is not part of their faith.

You can accept that there is an appearance of design in life on Earth and that the Darwinian and neo-Darwinian theories are based on conjecture and suppositions piled on assumptions. You can do that without believing in Zeuss, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a Guy in the Sky who strikes people down with furious anger.
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Actually it is exactly the same as believing Thor was the source of lightning. It is something you cannot see or comprehend the answer to so you assume it must be magic. It's not. There is no such thing as magic. It is just an illusion. Humans are just the current masters of this planet. There will be others before the Sun snuffs the Earth out for good in 7 or 8 Billion years. That is what evolution tells us.
 
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seymourflops said:
Yes Gods have been used to explain the unexplainable for all of history and likely much of prehistory.

But something is needed to explain the unexplainable. Especially the origin of life which Darwin cultists conveniently claim is not part of their faith.

You can accept that there is an appearance of design in life on Earth and that the Darwinian and neo-Darwinian theories are based on conjecture and suppositions piled on assumptions. You can do that without believing in Zeuss, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a Guy in the Sky who strikes people down with furious anger.
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“Appearance”. *YAWN*. Is that really what you want to hang your hat on?

“Darwin cultists. Faith. Conjecture. Suppositions. Assumptions.” TryIng to “win” debate using common ID supporter talking points?
 
iguanaman said:
Actually it is exactly the same as believing Thor was the source of lightning. It is something you cannot see or comprehend the answer to so you assume it must be magic. It's not. There is no such thing as magic. It is just an illusion. Humans are just the current masters of this planet. There will be others before the Sun snuffs the Earth out for good. That is what evolution tells us.
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Evolution does not just explain the past, it predicts the future?

Are you as sure of that as you are about the flight capability of archaeoraptor?

How do you think that life on Earth began?
 
seymourflops said:
Evolution does not just explain the past, it predicts the future?

Are you as sure of that as you are about the flight capability of archaeoraptor?

How do you think that life on Earth began?
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With a single cell....and yes science can predict the future by studying the past. That is the whole point of science.
 
iguanaman said:
With a single cell....and yes science can predict the future.
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Since a cell is so simple it can spontaneously form from non-living matter?
 
seymourflops said:
Since a cell is so simple it can spontaneously form from non-living matter?
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That is what science believes. You think a God created the single cell that started all life on the planet and then left it to evolve for billions of years? That is not how most scriptures describe creation and that is not what intelligent design claims either. Maybe you should start your own religion.
 
seymourflops said:
So you haven't read them. Just as I thought.

The old "here's a lengthy reading assignment after which you'll know I'm right" trick. It's better than the old "Google the internet and you'll find out I'm right" trick, but not much.

How about you, Peggy Sue, do you believe that so-called "Flying dinosaur" archaeoraptor could actually fly? Or used its wings in any way that improved its ability to survive?

Since I like you, I'll recommend you Google before you answer. Just please don't share the answer with @iguanaman or @watsup.
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Do you get to ask all the questions? That hardly seems fair. Did any of the dinosaurs fly?
 
iguanaman said:
That is what science believes. You think a God created the single cell that started all life on the planet and then left it to evolve for billions of years? That is not how most scriptures describe creation and that is not what intelligent design claims either. Maybe you should start your own religion.
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See more flops doesn’t answer questions, he only asks them.
 
iguanaman said:
That is what science believes. You think a God created the single cell that started all life on the planet and then left it to evolve for billions of years? That is not how most scriptures describe creation and that is not what intelligent design claims either. Maybe you should start your own religion.
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Science believes that a single cell spontaneously formed and all life on Earth arose from that on cell?
 
watsup said:
Do you get to ask all the questions? That hardly seems fair. Did any of the dinosaurs fly?
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No way to know. Many winged birds are flightless.
 
seymourflops said:
Science believes that a single cell spontaneously formed and all life on Earth arose from that on cell?
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It may have happened more than once or it could have come from a meteorite from another solar system. We do know it happened over 3 billion years ago since fossils of blue-green algae have been found that are that old. Why is knowing how the first cell formed so important to you? We know it happened don't we?
 
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