Desecration of the U.S. Flag.

[Inuyasha]

The Germans and the Italians who were interned were mostly naturalized citizens. This does not make it any better but the distinction should still be made. There are horror stories about both Germans and Italians the saddest I heard was that one German family in Cincinnati, where the mother and father were hauled off in the middle of the night and the children (12 and 6 I believe) were left to fend for themselves for several weeks before they were taken in and cared for by individuals in the area.

The round up of the Japanese Americans was wholesale on the West Coast and Hawaii. Many heads of families were born in the US and had no connection what so ever with japan but no investigations were carried out on these people. In the Midwest and the East the situation was different and though few in number, the Japanese Americans in those areas, for the most part, escaped the ignoble fate of their fellow countrymen in CA, Washington and Oregon as well as the Hawaiian Islands.

 

[ptsdkid]

The Germans and the Italians who were interned were mostly naturalized citizens. This does not make it any better but the distinction should still be made. There are horror stories about both Germans and Italians the saddest I heard was that one German family in Cincinnati, where the mother and father were hauled off in the middle of the night and the children (12 and 6 I believe) were left to fend for themselves for several weeks before they were taken in and cared for by individuals in the area.

***You're dead wrong if you think that most of the interned Germans were naturalized citizens, for they were a part of Hitler's Army.

The round up of the Japanese Americans was wholesale on the West Coast and Hawaii. Many heads of families were born in the US and had no connection what so ever with japan but no investigations were carried out on these people. In the Midwest and the East the situation was different and though few in number, the Japanese Americans in those areas, for the most part, escaped the ignoble fate of their fellow countrymen in CA, Washington and Oregon as well as the Hawaiian Islands.

***So what's your point?

 

[Inuyasha]

***So what's your point?

Information maybe . Learning something one might not have know perhaps . General intelligent. Improving knowlege or...are you calling me a fooking liar? What about it? Got a problem with it? You trying telling me what I can write and think? Maybe it's too early where you are and you need another cup of coffee. or maybe you just wake up p¡ssy all the time. I could care less..

 

[disneydude]

Its not surprising that those in this post that are calling for a constitutional amendment to protect a piece of fabric are the same ones who are willing to give up the rights our predecessors have fought and died for in exchange for a false sense of security.

I say it is not surprising because they don't appreciate the rights that the piece of fabric that they idolize represents.
They would willingly change of way of life and give the "terrorists" the victory that they want then they would stand firm in our American resolve.

That is the difference between the sides in this debate. There are those of us who understand and respect what the flag represents....and there are those that respect the fabric that the flag is made of.

 

[ptsdkid]

Information maybe . Learning something one might not have know perhaps . General intelligent. Improving knowlege or...are you calling me a fooking liar? What about it? Got a problem with it? You trying telling me what I can write and think? Maybe it's too early where you are and you need another cup of coffee. or maybe you just wake up p¡ssy all the time. I could care less..

***Don't get your panties in a bind. You were going on and on about the internment of Japanese and Germans in United States camps. My simple question remains...'What's the point'? Your insistence to get the issue off target is the reason for my question.

 

[adamanarch]

I think its both......There are still some of us who stand at attention when the national athem is played and the flag is raised.......we still get a tear in our eye and woe to the person that is trying to destroy that...........

I'm not sure if you answered my question. I may have missed your point. However, I'll rephrase. When you stand during the national anthem and when your eyes water...do you think "wow, what a great country!" or "wow, look at the near perfect stitching on that flag!"? Assuming that you have a functioning brain, I'll guess that it's the former.

Is the physical existance of the flag worth trampling on the first amendment? Why can't we privatise our patriotism?

 

[Inuyasha]

***Don't get your panties in a bind. You were going on and on about the internment of Japanese and Germans in United States camps. My simple question remains...'What's the point'? Your insistence to get the issue off target is the reason for my question.

Some one else brought up the subject and some misinformation was disseminated. All i am doing is commenting on that. After 18 pages the stream of consciousness is naturally going to take this to other areas. So the point is the subject at hand. i am commenting on the comments made by others.

 

[earthworm]

This is NOT a liberal - conservative thing - nor should it be.
Maybe a $100 fine for burning our flag ??
Those who do burn our flag are largely just plain stupid; created by a controlling and hateful government (Iran for one).
Many Americans who do this have a good reason(good in their opinion)..
These reasons must be listened to and debated..

 

[Hatuey]

***I am not denying that the U.S. put U.S. citizens of Japanese origin in internment camps. We were at war with the Japs. Cautionary steps were taken by a liberal president to ensure America's safety during wartime. You have a problem with that?...

Sigh. Do you understand the difference between putting an enemies armed forces in internment camps and Americans of foreign descent in internment camps right?

During World Wars I and II, many people deemed to be a threat due to enemy connections were interned in the US. This included people not born in the U.S. and also U.S. citizens of Japanese (in WWII), Italian (in WWII), and German ancestry. In particular, over 100,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans and Germans and German-Americans were sent to camps such as Manzanar during the second World War.

In reaction to the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan in 1941, United States Executive Order 9066 on February 19, 1942 allowed military commanders to designate areas "from which any or all persons may be excluded." Under this order all Japanese and Americans of Japanese ancestry .... and American citizens of those respective ancestries (and American citizen family members) were removed from (among other places) the West and East Coast and relocated or interned, and roughly one-third of the US was declared an exclusionary zone. Interestingly, Hawaii despite a large Japanese population did not use internment camps.

Almost 120,000 Japanese Americans and resident Japanese aliens would eventually be removed from their homes, and relocated.

See: Japanese internment in the United States

Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Japanese American Internment was the forced removal of approximately 120,000[1] Japanese and Japanese Americans (62 percent of whom were United States citizens)[2][3] from the West Coast of the United States during World War II. While approximately 10,000 were able to relocate to other parts of the country, the remainder – roughly 110,000 men, women and children – were sent to hastily constructed camps called "War Relocation Centers" in remote portions of the nation's interior.

It's sad to see you not see you defend the governments action of putting American citizens in internment camps.

****The first site gave me a 1% white figure for the enrollment of Whites in Howard University. ...
***You are right, one percent of the students at Howard are white. Probably such a low percentage because the Black History studies curriculum trumps the other available subjects. Not exactly an all-inclusive agenda if you know what I mean. And I thought you were a politically correct multiculturalist at heart? Don't have to dig too deep to see where you stand.

I'd like to thank pstdkid for providing me with the ammunition to destroy his argument. Let's look at the degrees conferred shall we?

Business, management, marketing, and related support services 251
Communication, journalism, and related programs 246
Health professions and related clinical sciences 156
Social sciences 134
Biological and biomedical sciences 121

Hmmm your position was that these schools had little white enrollment because the black history studies curriculum triumphed. This is proven untrue by your own source. Let's take a look at Howard University now shall we?

Howard was established by a congressional charter in 1867, and much of its early funding came from endowment, private benefaction, and tuition. An annual congressional appropriation administered by the Secretary of the Interior funded the school.[1] Today, it is a member school of the Thurgood Marshall Scholarship Fund. The college was named after General Oliver O. Howard who was commissioner of the Freeman's Bureau and the college's third president. From its outset, it was nonsectarian and open to people of both sexes and all races. The current enrollment (as of 2003) is approximately 11,000, including 7,000 undergraduates. The university's football homecoming activities serve as one of the premier annual events in Washington.

University Research and Graduate School - Admissions > General Requirements

The mission of Howard University includes the provision of quality education for any student, but with emphasis upon the provision of educational opportunities for those students who may not otherwise have an opportunity to acquire an education of the type provided at Howard. In fulfilling its mission, the University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national and ethnic origin, sex, marital status, religion, or handicap in the administration of its educational policies, admissions policies, scholarship and loan programs, and other University administered programs and employment.
Howard University is committed to equal opportunity in all aspects of its relations with faculty, students, and staff members, without regard to race, color, national and ethnic origin, sex, marital status, religion, age, or handicap. The requirement not to discriminate in education programs and activities extends to employment

You've stated that this school is non inclusive. I've shown that it clearly is.

***I'm saying that women or men working at less experienced jobs will always get paid less than their superiors,....

Men also get payed less then their superiors. Whats your point?

***You're going to have to show me an example where women are getting paid less for a job where they have the same qualifications as men.

....Do you follow debates? Champs was talking about the 40s and 50s.

***You say that I'm dishonest and that everything I say is a lie. Everything I said about segregation, sexism, and homophobia are my personal opinions. They are not necessarily right or wrong, i.e. they should in no way be misconstrued (as you have done) into calling them lies or dishonest statements.

Thing is your opinions are based on misinformation. To say that segregation was less apparent in the 40s and 50s is like saying that poverty was less apparent in the 1910s to the 1930s. At best it's ignorant at worst it's plain dishonest.

***Still not understanding your statement that Joe McCarthy 'forgot' the 1st Amendment. Could you please be more specific by using your own words to clarify that. If anything, Joe had exercised his right to the 1st Amendment. Somwhere in those passages it was stated 'we will not knowingly employ a Communist or a member of any party or group wich advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States'. These are the very people that McCarthy helped to expose. The quotes you put up help to make my case for Joe throughout.

Are you really that dense? McCarthyism was a witch hunt on people who weren't even communist. People who voiced out opinions were labeled as communists. People who weren't even members of the communist party were labeled as communists.

Freedom of assembly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Freedom of assembly is the freedom to associate with, or organize any groups, gatherings, clubs, or organizations that one wishes. It is held to be a key right in liberal democracies, whereby citizens may form or join any political party, special interest group, or union without government restrictions.

Check these quotes: "Hundreds of Communists were prosecuted under this law between 1941 and 1957. Eleven leaders of the Communist Party were charged and convicted under the Smith Act in 1949. Ten defendants were given sentences of five years and the eleventh was sentenced to three years." You have heard of Alger Hiss also...haven't you? So thanks for providing a solid case for the heroics of Joe McCarthy for me. You might want to start thanking me for having the fortitude to stick up for a much maligned hero--like that of Joe McCarthy.

Again. People under the 1st amendment have the right to associate themselves with any party or group they wish without government interference.

And yes I've heard of the Smith act. Unconstitutional wasn't it?
Smith Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Act is best known for its use against political organizations and figures, mostly on the left. Prosecutions continued until a series of United States Supreme Court decisions in 1957 threw out numerous convictions under the Smith Act as unconstitutional. The statute remains on the books, however.The Act was proposed by Congressman Howard W. Smith of Virginia, a Democrat who supported the poll tax (a mechanism for keeping certain ethnic groups from voting) and a leader of the "anti-labor" bloc of Congressmen. It was signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

The convicted Communists appealed the verdicts, but the Supreme Court upheld their convictions in 1951 by a vote of six to two with Justices Hugo Black and William O. Douglas dissenting. Black wrote that the government's indictment was "a virulent form of prior censorship of speech and press" and a violation of the First Amendment.

In 1951, twenty-three other leaders of the party were indicted including Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a founding member of the American Civil Liberties Union. By 1957, over 140 leaders and members of the Communist Party had been charged. The indictments and trials ended in 1957 as the result of a series of Supreme Court decisions. Yates v. United States ruled unconstitutional the conviction of numerous party leaders in a ruling that distinguished between advocacy of an idea for incitement and the teaching of an idea as a concept. The Court ruled by a margin of six to one in Watkins v. United States that defendants could use the First Amendment as a defense against "abuses of the legislative process."

Yates v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Supreme Court of the United States said that for the Smith Act to be violated, people must be encouraged to do something, rather than merely to believe in something. The Court drew a distinction between a statement of an idea and the advocacy that a certain action be taken. The Court ruled that the Smith Act did not prohibit “advocacy of forcible overthrow of the government as an abstract doctrine.” In Justice Black's opinion, he wrote of the original Smith Act trials: "The testimony of witnesses is comparatively insignificant. Guilt or innocence may turn on what Marx or Engels or someone else wrote or advocated as much as a hundred years or more ago.[...] When the propriety of obnoxious or unfamiliar views about government is in reality made the crucial issue, [...] prejudice makes conviction inevitable except in the rarest circumstances."The convictions of the indicted members were reversed.

Come on Kid. Even I don't think you're as dense as to believe that McCarthyism didn't violate the peoples right to peaceful assembly. If it hadn't You are your compadres at Storm front would not be able to chat together. Reason being some of your patriots want to establish a white nation on American soil. This would mean you'd have to overthrow the U.S. government. By mere association to these people you'd be eligible for persecution under the Smith Act.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I am not denying that the U.S. put U.S. citizens of Japanese origin in internment camps. We were at war with the Japs. Cautionary steps were taken by a liberal president to ensure America's safety during wartime. You have a problem with that? Check your facts, there were thousands of Germans interned in American camps during WWII. I even watched a two-hour special on it. You might want to check in with the Captain about now, so as to get some much needed counseling.

I was going to respond but Hatuey smacked you, first.

The first site gave me a 1% white figure for the enrollment of Whites in Howard University. However, this other site listed the percentage at .03 White. Here, enjoy these facts:

Scholarships.com Free College Scholarship Search, Financial Aid & Scholarship Info

I checked out the site, saw how you misinterpreted or misrepresented the facts, was going to respond, but Hatuey smacked you first.

You say that I'm dishonest and that everything I say is a lie. Everything I said about segregation, sexism, and homophobia are my personal opinions. They are not necessarily right or wrong, i.e. they should in no way be misconstrued (as you have done) into calling them lies or dishonest statements.

Attention all of Debate Politics. Notice what I highlighted, above. This post has been saved in my bookmarks. Every time the kid claims one of his comments about segregation, sexism, or homophobia is a fact, I will pull out this post as a refutation. Using one's words against them is the highest form of debate. :mrgreen:

Still not understanding your statement that Joe McCarthy 'forgot' the 1st Amendment. Could you please be more specific by using your own words to clarify that. If anything, Joe had exercised his right to the 1st Amendment. Somwhere in those passages it was stated 'we will not knowingly employ a Communist or a member of any party or group wich advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States'. These are the very people that McCarthy helped to expose. The quotes you put up help to make my case for Joe throughout.
Check these quotes: "Hundreds of Communists were prosecuted under this law between 1941 and 1957. Eleven leaders of the Communist Party were charged and convicted under the Smith Act in 1949. Ten defendants were given sentences of five years and the eleventh was sentenced to three years." You have heard of Alger Hiss also...haven't you? So thanks for providing a solid case for the heroics of Joe McCarthy for me. You might want to start thanking me for having the fortitude to stick up for a much maligned hero--like that of Joe McCarthy.

McCarthy was a major black mark on US politics and on how fear and egotism can lead to Constitutional violations. McCarthy was exercising his freedom of speech to say what he did, but his actions violated the freedom of speech of others. This is precisely what the 1st Amendment was designed to prevent, and why the Supreme Court overturned the previous convictions. And why McCarthy was censured and left Congress in disgrace.

I was going to say more, but Hatuey smacked you first.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Bhahahaha!

 

[Hatuey]

Bhahahaha!

You know you have it bad when even an American flag can screw ya up.

 

[ptsdkid]

Sigh. Do you understand the difference between putting an enemies armed forces in internment camps and Americans of foreign descent in internment camps right?

***Yes I know the difference. Do you know what the 'War powers Act' is? Do you know how much power the president has during time of war? Do you know that certain presidential acts during wartime don't always have to conform to the Constitution? Much of the Constitutional protocol has been skewed to reach an optimal result with the prisoners of war issue. The liberals got all bent out of shape with the wire-tapping issue by saying that civilians were being violated. What a crock that was, for there was not one case of that being fact. Wire tapping was used for war purposes only--something that is entirely anathema to the liberal mindset of defeatism.



It's sad to see you not see you defend the governments action of putting American citizens in internment camps.

***Again, you're going to have to take up that beef with the deceased FDR, or with those who wrote the 'War Powers Act'.




You've stated that this school is non inclusive. I've shown that it clearly is.


***You're saying that .03% white of the entire enrollment is all-inclusive? I see you had trouble with those pesky math classes.



Men also get payed less then their superiors. Whats your point?

***The point is that you've been saying that women get paid less than those having similar experience. I have yet to see an example of it from you.



....Do you follow debates? Champs was talking about the 40s and 50s.

***No, I do not follow those debates.



Thing is your opinions are based on misinformation. To say that segregation was less apparent in the 40s and 50s is like saying that poverty was less apparent in the 1910s to the 1930s. At best it's ignorant at worst it's plain dishonest.

***Could be that your information comes from non credible sources. My opinion is very solid.



Are you really that dense? McCarthyism was a witch hunt on people who weren't even communist. People who voiced out opinions were labeled as communists. People who weren't even members of the communist party were labeled as communists.

***I love witch hunts; I once lived in Salem, Ma where we had witch hunts often. They still have a witch parade once a year in Salem. McCarthy sounds a lot like myself, in that we both saw the similarities between liberals and Communists. Of course the liberals of that day hadn't registered as Communists, that's why my hat is off to McCarthy for having the moxie to expose the enemy within our government.


Again. People under the 1st amendment have the right to associate themselves with any party or group they wish without government interference.

***Yes, that is true, but do you not see the danger that those aligning themselves with the Commies presents to Americans here in our homeland?



Come on Kid. Even I don't think you're as dense as to believe that McCarthyism didn't violate the peoples right to peaceful assembly. If it hadn't You are your compadres at Storm front would not be able to chat together. Reason being some of your patriots want to establish a white nation on American soil. This would mean you'd have to overthrow the U.S. government. By mere association to these people you'd be eligible for persecution under the Smith Act.

***How did McCarthy violate peoples' right to assembly? He was one man; did he physically throw himself in front of those Commie infiltrators during a Senate hearing? The commie's rights to assembly were not violated.

 

[rivrrat]

LMAO

I am amazed at the seemingly inherent (or is it practiced?) ability of some to keep their heads so firmly buried in the sand and yet still manage to fricken breathe. And type, even.

 

[Hatuey]

***How did McCarthy violate peoples' right to assembly? He was one man; did he physically throw himself in front of those Commie infiltrators during a Senate hearing? The commie's rights to assembly were not violated.

I rephrased didn't I but if you want to play "gotcha" I can play that too :

Joseph McCarthy's involvement with the ongoing cultural phenomenon that would come to bear his name began with a speech he made on Lincoln Day, February 9, 1950, to the Republican Women's Club of Wheeling, West Virginia. He produced a piece of paper which he claimed contained a list of known Communists working for the State Department. McCarthy is usually quoted as saying: "I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."[9] This speech resulted in a flood of press attention to McCarthy and set him on the path that would characterize the rest of his career and life.

These lists were based on word of mouth. Nothing more then "(X Person) is a communist). Without evidence of any kind list like this one were created and thousands of Americans were wrongly accused of being communists based on hearsay.

***Yes I know the difference. Do you know what the 'War powers Act' is? Do you know how much power the president has during time of war? Do you know that certain presidential acts during wartime don't always have to conform to the Constitution? Much of the Constitutional protocol has been skewed to reach an optimal result with the prisoners of war issue. The liberals got all bent out of shape with the wire-tapping issue by saying that civilians were being violated. What a crock that was, for there was not one case of that being fact. Wire tapping was used for war purposes only--something that is entirely anathema to the liberal mindset of defeatism.

Hmmm too bad you know so little of the constitution and had to go off and swing mud at liberals :

Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." but gives this authority to Congress, rather than the President.

There is no excuse the U.S. government can use to deny it's own citizens the right to habeas corpus based on actions they have no connection to.

***Again, you're going to have to take up that beef with the deceased FDR, or with those who wrote the 'War Powers Act'.

***You're saying that .03% white of the entire enrollment is all-inclusive? I see you had trouble with those pesky math classes.

Again. If .03% of the students are white, this only proves that more whites have not chosen to enroll. Not that the the school is not all inclusive.

***The point is that you've been saying that women get paid less than those having similar experience. I have yet to see an example of it from you.

AlterNet: WorkPlace: Will Women Ever Get Paid What They Deserve?

The pay gap is still a stubborn problem, with women who work full time year-round making 76 cents to a man's dollar. Though it consistently polls No. 1 with female voters in election years, politicians don't seem motivated to do much about it.

You were saying? :|

***No, I do not follow those debates.

Too bad. You'd actually know what you're talking about then.

***Could be that your information comes from non credible sources. My opinion is very solid.

ROFL. ARE YOU seriously trying to say Jim Crow did not happen? Please do. I'd love to see your brain implode the from the incredible forces that are on it right now.

***I love witch hunts; I once lived in Salem, Ma where we had witch hunts often. They still have a witch parade once a year in Salem. McCarthy sounds a lot like myself, in that we both saw the similarities between liberals and Communists. Of course the liberals of that day hadn't registered as Communists, that's why my hat is off to McCarthy for having the moxie to expose the enemy within our government.

Again - if McCarthy was really exposing any kind of enemy in our soil - The American people of that time would have backed him. McCarthyism was hitting people that had no association to communism what so ever. People who's names happen to come up at the wrong place at the wrong time.

***Yes, that is true, but do you not see the danger that those aligning themselves with the Commies presents to Americans here in our homeland?

Again. There is a difference between voicing an opinion and taking action. I have the right to say : "I wish the world ended tomorrow". I however don't have the right to try and end the world. Tomorrow. See the difference here? McCarthysm led a witch hunt on people who were voicing out ideas.

 

[ptsdkid]

I rephrased didn't I but if you want to play "gotcha" I can play that too :

****"gotcha"!



These lists were based on word of mouth. Nothing more then "(X Person) is a communist). Without evidence of any kind list like this one were created and thousands of Americans were wrongly accused of being communists based on hearsay.

***Who cares if dozens of persons were accused as being Communist? I have no doubt that everyone of them had Communist leanings. The Commies were our enemies at that time; better we rule on the side of caution by exposing the foes in our government. They can all have their day in court to prove their innocence. That's why we have attornies.



Hmmm too bad you know so little of the constitution and had to go off and swing mud at liberals :

***I know the Constitution like I know the back of my well cleansed hand.



There is no excuse the U.S. government can use to deny it's own citizens the right to habeas corpus based on actions they have no connection to.


***Who is being denied their right to habeas corpus, and how?





Again. If .03% of the students are white, this only proves that more whites have not chosen to enroll. Not that the the school is not all inclusive.

***LOL...an all-inclusive school would be a school that offered subjects that were attractive and beneficial to the wide scope of multicultural students. The white enrollment figure of a mere .03% tells us that whitey isn't happy with a school that opts to teach black history and revise or eliminate the white history of our country's founding fathers.


AlterNet: WorkPlace: Will Women Ever Get Paid What They Deserve?

You were saying? :|

***That figure you present is meaningless. Show me a specific job where a woman having the same experience of and the same position as that of her male counterpart....actually recieves less pay. What I think that figure shows or represents is that women as a whole do not have the ability to rise to the top like a man does in the workforce. Lets remember the McDonalds metaphor here: You flip burgers at a fast food restaurant at the age of 40--you're never going to make the kind of money a 20-year-old manager of the same business makes. Somewhere in here you need to start learning about capitalism.



ROFL. ARE YOU seriously trying to say Jim Crow did not happen? Please do. I'd love to see your brain implode the from the incredible forces that are on it right now.

***Yeah, Jim Crow happened, but show me where its happening today. Lazy and inexperienced blacks of today actually engage in reverse discrimination as they can enter the job force by way of Affirmative Action and Quota initiatives. We might want to rephrase Jim Crow by calling it our 21st century Jim White Law. You can thank those black stalwart leaders like Sharpton and Jackson for the sorry state of affairs we find today in dealing with race relations.



Again - if McCarthy was really exposing any kind of enemy in our soil - The American people of that time would have backed him. McCarthyism was hitting people that had no association to communism what so ever. People who's names happen to come up at the wrong place at the wrong time.

***Some Americans didn't back McCarthy in those days for a bevy of reasons. Ever hear of the liberal media? We had a Democratic president with Harry Truman back in those days. People were simply scared to death of Communists; hard for them to believe that many U.S. congressmen had infiltrated our government, but as the statistics you provided show--more than a dozen of them were charged with high crimes and misdomeanors. Btw, I think it was Ann Coulter's book "High Crimes and Misdomeanors" that shed light on the liberal attempt to make Joe McCarthy out to be this leader of a witch hunt. Too bad the criminally charged commies in our government had to ruin the liberal charge of witch hunt. Ann Coulter for president, or for veep, or lets put Joe McCarthy's head on Mt. Rushmore, or both.



Again. There is a difference between voicing an opinion and taking action. I have the right to say : "I wish the world ended tomorrow". I however don't have the right to try and end the world. Tomorrow. See the difference here? McCarthysm led a witch hunt on people who were voicing out ideas.

***I don't see any difference between those commies then voicing their ideas..to those liberals today voicing their ideas. So in answer to your question..."see the difference"? ...it is a resounding NO!

 

[Hatuey]

***"gotcha"!

Yay.

***Who cares if dozens of persons were accused as being Communist? I have no doubt that everyone of them had Communist leanings. The Commies were our enemies at that time; better we rule on the side of caution by exposing the foes in our government. They can all have their day in court to prove their innocence. That's why we have attornies.

Sigh. Dont you know that to accuse somebody you have to have some kind of evidence to back up your accusation? Not just some list you conjured up based on hearsay?

***I know the Constitution like I know the back of my well cleansed hand.

Sigh, if you did you'd know about the freedom of assembly and the habeas corpus we did not offer the Japanese.

***Who is being denied their right to habeas corpus, and how?

Sigh. Do you even follow the debate? This is getting tiresome. We were talking about Japanese-Americans, German-Americans and Italian-Americans being denied habeas corpus. Keep up?

***LOL...an all-inclusive school would be a school that offered subjects that were attractive and beneficial to the wide scope of multicultural students. The white enrollment figure of a mere .03% tells us that whitey isn't happy with a school that opts to teach black history and revise or eliminate the white history of our country's founding fathers.

Sigh. Your own source already shows you the classes of that have the most graduates. None have anything to do with black studies. Unless you can prove the contrary then there is no reason for us to debate this point any further. Your original claim was that this school is "all black" then you claim the school is "not all inclusive" I disproved both by showing you that the classes that have the most graduates have nothing to do with black studies. As far as "white" enrollment goes - Why claim that because the majority of the students in one school are of one race that the school is not all inclusive? Here are some almost all white schools

Scholarships.com Free College Scholarship Search, Financial Aid & Scholarship Info

White non-hispanic 94.9%
Black non-hispanic 2.5%
Hispanic 0.8%
Asian or Pacific Islander 0.6%
American Indian or Alaskan Native 0.5%
Race-ethnicity Unknown 0.2%
Non-resident alien 0.5%

Scholarships.com Free College Scholarship Search, Financial Aid & Scholarship Info

White non-hispanic 86.8%
Black non-hispanic 8.8%
Hispanic 1.0%
Asian or Pacific Islander 1.2%
American Indian or Alaskan Native 0.3%
Race-ethnicity Unknown -
Non-resident alien 1.9%

Come on kid. Because most of the alumni in a school are of one race it does not mean that the school is segregated .

***That figure you present is meaningless. Show me a specific job where a woman having the same experience of and the same position as that of her male counterpart....actually recieves less pay. What I think that figure shows or represents is that women as a whole do not have the ability to rise to the top like a man does in the workforce. Lets remember the McDonalds metaphor here: You flip burgers at a fast food restaurant at the age of 40--you're never going to make the kind of money a 20-year-old manager of the same business makes. Somewhere in here you need to start learning about capitalism.

Don't believe me? What about the U.S. bureau of labour?

http://stats.bls.gov/cps/wlf-table19-2006.pdf

***Yeah, Jim Crow happened, but show me where its happening today. Lazy and inexperienced blacks of today actually engage in reverse discrimination as they can enter the job force by way of Affirmative Action and Quota initiatives. We might want to rephrase Jim Crow by calling it our 21st century Jim White Law. You can thank those black stalwart leaders like Sharpton and Jackson for the sorry state of affairs we find today in dealing with race relations.

Thats not what you first argued. You argued it wasn't as evident in the 40s and 50s as it is today. Show me black only or white only bathrooms in America today? Show me white only and black only schools? You can't. Please stop trying to escape the fact that you put your foot in your own *** before speaking and you're now trying to change the subject.

***Some Americans didn't back McCarthy in those days for a bevy of reasons. Ever hear of the liberal media? We had a Democratic president with Harry Truman back in those days. People were simply scared to death of Communists; hard for them to believe that many U.S. congressmen had infiltrated our government, but as the statistics you provided show--more than a dozen of them were charged with high crimes and misdomeanors. Btw, I think it was Ann Coulter's book "High Crimes and Misdomeanors" that shed light on the liberal attempt to make Joe McCarthy out to be this leader of a witch hunt. Too bad the criminally charged commies in our government had to ruin the liberal charge of witch hunt. Ann Coulter for president, or for veep, or lets put Joe McCarthy's head on Mt. Rushmore, or both.

ROFL - THE LIBERAL MEDIA? Give me a ****ing break. McCarthy was shot down for trying to smear the army, for charging blind at any American who had an opinion contrary to his. Much like Cheney has tried to do with the whole muslim thing the whole : "If you question us you're helping the terrorists" type of bullshit.

***I don't see any difference between those commies then voicing their ideas..to those liberals today voicing their ideas. So in answer to your question..."see the difference"? ...it is a resounding NO!

See here's the difference "

 

[Inuyasha]

***I don't see any difference between those commies then voicing their ideas..to those liberals today voicing their ideas. So in answer to your question..."see the difference"? ...it is a resounding NO!

That's like saying "I don0t see any difference in the neo-conservatives today than I saw in the Falangists of 1970 Spain. Sounds nice but it's either a lie or one's eyesight is bad. There is no difference in saying something as stupid as "Bush is a Nazi." as there is in saying the liberals are communists. If it makes you feel good to say one or the other by all means say it. you're lying to yourself but if it makes a person happy, fine. No skin of anyone elses nose.

 

[disneydude]

while i am a republican... i still respect the constitution and peoples rights...

Is that possible?