DeSantis Threatens Any School That Mandates Masks This Year

[AmNat]

It's what our governor wants. He wrote a letter to the schools. He's trying to pretend it falls under his new "freedom" from anything protecting you from Covid law. He's an ass. I wonder just how many court battles we'll have over this. He's trying to intimidate schools under his law, even if everything points to it not being in violation of his new law.


PHOENIX — Gov. Doug Ducey’s office doesn’t want schools to quarantine unvaccinated students who may have been exposed to COVID-19.
In letters sent to the Peoria Unified School District and Tucson’s Catalina Foothills School District, the governor’s office claims the districts’ policy of requiring unvaccinated students exposed to the deadly virus to quarantine is unlawful.

The letter states: “The practice of instituting a mandatory 14-day quarantine for unvaccinated students who have a COVID-19 exposure, but exempting vaccinated students is contrary to Laws 2021, Chapter 404, Sec. 12, which states, “A school district or charter school may not require a student or teacher to receive a vaccine for covid-19 or to wear a face covering to participate in in-person instruction.”
Both districts that received the letters said they are following guidance from the Arizona Department of Health Services, ‘Release from Isolation and Quarantine,’ which states people should quarantine for 14 days if they’ve been in close contact with a person who tested positive.
In an email to 12 News, State Superintendent Kathy Hoffman disagreed with the governor and said that quarantining is one of the only tools schools have left to maintain safe in-person learning.
“I am tired of Arizona’s public schools being a leverage point for the Governor’s political conversation on COVID-19 that growlingly has nothing to do with science or public health,” Hoffman said in a three-paragraph statement.
In a joint letter, attorneys hired by both Peoria and Catalina districts, said the schools are in full compliance with the statute included in HB 2898, which was signed on June 30 and went into effect July 1.

The attorneys representing the districts detailed that Arizona’s Parent Bill of Rights is not applicable even though the governor’s office lists it as a form of intrusion the districts were impeding on.

The new law said schools cannot require vaccines or that anyone, student or staff, wear a mask. However, it does not apparently prohibit quarantining at all.

Ducey takes on COVID-19 protocols in Arizona schools

Gov. Ducey doesn't want schools to quarantine unvaccinated students who may have been exposed to coronavirus. But Arizona's top educator disagrees.

www.12news.com

If the law bans schools from making vaccination a requirement of in-person learning then banning students on the grounds of them being unvaccinated is a prima facie violation of that law. Good for the governor.

 

[Glitch]

We need to start calling these two the evil twins.

Alaska has also never mandated masks or social distancing, nor has any of the schools or businesses in Alaska been closed - with two notable exceptions. Only the cities of Juneau and Anchorage, who were under the control of fascist leftist pieces of shit (a.k.a. Democrats) were illegally shutdown and the individual rights of individuals were violated with their unconstitutional mask and social distancing mandates.

Not only were these leftist fascists replaced in the last election, they are now being sued for their criminal acts.

 

[MaryP]

I live in Florida. Private businesses have been doing what they want in this right to work state. DeSantis is a joke known for signing useless bills to placate idiot MAGA voters.

I remember Beau of the Fifth Column saying that no counties in Florida pay any attention to him; they do as they see fit. When he came out with the no mask mandate, I noticed businesses kept their requirements, anyway. I'm sure you're right.

However it's worrisome that he's threatening school funding.

 

[MaryP]

Alaska has also never mandated masks or social distancing, nor has any of the schools or businesses in Alaska been closed - with two notable exceptions. Only the cities of Juneau and Anchorage, who were under the control of fascist leftist pieces of shit (a.k.a. Democrats) were illegally shutdown and the individual rights of individuals were violated with their unconstitutional mask and social distancing mandates.

Not only were these leftist fascists replaced in the last election, they are now being sued for their criminal acts.

Hey, Glitch. Did you feel the earthquake yesterday? Lose any teacups off the shelf?

 

[Glitch]

I feel sorry for the kids, too, and the staff who have to work and teach all day wearing one. But kids under 12 can't be protected at all from a virus which is the most contagious virus researchers have ever seen. Since masks slow transmission, it only makes sense to mask them all.

Kids under 12 have ALWAYS been exposed to viruses, just like every one else on the planet. At no time in our past has that ever warranted masking. So why all this sudden interest in violating the rights of the people now with these inane and illegal mask mandates? Is it some sort of mental disorder that causes you to want to illegally seize people's liberty?

 

[MaryP]

At no time in our past has that ever warranted masking. So why

You don't know? You've been in the bush too long.

I'm tired of repeating myself over and over. Read some actual articles about Delta, the information they're accumulating. No, we haven't had a pandemic like this in 100 n years, so you're right, it's a first. But it's for good reason, based on what they know.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Kids under 12 have ALWAYS been exposed to viruses, just like every one else on the planet. At no time in our past has that ever warranted masking. So why all this sudden interest in violating the rights of the people now with these inane and illegal mask mandates? Is it some sort of mental disorder that causes you to want to illegally seize people's liberty?

You have apparently forgotten the 1918 flu pandemic.

 

[Glitch]

Hey, Glitch. Did you feel the earthquake yesterday? Lose any teacups off the shelf?

I presume you are referring to the 8.2 magnitude quake on July 29th.

No, I was too far from the epicenter, thankfully. I wasn't even aware that an earthquake of that magnitude had occurred until you mentioned it. I had to look it up.

The epicenter of the quake was 560 miles southwest of Anchorage, and I'm 15 miles north of Anchorage as the crow flies. The last big quake that I felt was a 7.1 magnitude quake with an epicenter 3 miles from my home in November 2018. It should also be noted that we average at least one magnitude 5.0 quake every month. So unless it is magnitude 6.0 or better, and within 100 miles of my home, I tend not to pay much attention.

 

[Glitch]

You don't know? You've been in the bush too long.

I'm tired of repeating myself over and over. Read some actual articles about Delta, the information they're accumulating. No, we haven't had a pandemic like this in 100 n years, so you're right, it's a first. But it's for good reason, based on what they know.

Actually, we have had pandemics like this, within my life time. It was called the Hong Kong Flu and it occurred in 1969. Nobody wore any stupid mask, there was no moronic social distancing. In fact, we not only put a man on the moon in July of that year, we also held the Woodstock concert in New York in August of the same year. 1969 was a very good year, despite it resulting in the deaths of 100,000+ people due to the Hong Kong Flu.

 

[MaryP]

You have apparently forgotten the 1918 flu pandemic.

They didn't mask everywhere.

You have apparently forgotten the 1918 flu pandemic.

I've been reading about Maine's response to the Spanish Flu. Within 10 days of the first death, almost all schools in Maine had closed, as well as places of amusement and other public gatherings. The major cities lead the way. I saw one reference to a ladies' group making 'gas masks,' so I guess someone was using them.

 

[Yakshi]

Actually, we have had pandemics like this, within my life time. It was called the Hong Kong Flu and it occurred in 1969. Nobody wore any stupid mask, there was no moronic social distancing. In fact, we not only put a man on the moon in July of that year, we also held the Woodstock concert in New York in August of the same year. 1969 was a very good year, despite it resulting in the deaths of 100,000+ people due to the Hong Kong Flu.

Forgotten Pandemic Offers Contrast to Today’s Coronavirus Lockdowns

Warnings of a potential second wave of coronavirus cases reflect the experience of a relatively recent outbreak—the Hong Kong flu of the late 1960s.

www.wsj.com

 

[MaryP]

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Forgotten Pandemic Offers Contrast to Today’s Coronavirus Lockdowns

Warnings of a potential second wave of coronavirus cases reflect the experience of a relatively recent outbreak—the Hong Kong flu of the late 1960s.

www.wsj.com

Sugar! Paywall just as it got interesting. I was old enough to remember 1969 well, but I don't remember anything about the Hong Kong Flu. Not at school, or movies, bowling, restaurants or amusement parks. My mother was dating a doctor at the time and was active in ballroom dancing competitions. No masks or restrictions anywhere that I recall. And at the time I was living in a suburb of a major upstate New York city. So, how come I don't remember it at all?

 

[Glitch]

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Forgotten Pandemic Offers Contrast to Today’s Coronavirus Lockdowns

Warnings of a potential second wave of coronavirus cases reflect the experience of a relatively recent outbreak—the Hong Kong flu of the late 1960s.

www.wsj.com

There was never any mask mandate in 1969, nor did the pandemic run "rampant for three years." It began in November 1968, just like COVID-19 began in November 2019, and ran until the next flu season began in November 1969. Some hospitals may have panicked and become completely irrational, but that was not the case with government. Nixon had just been elected President and we were looking forward to the beginning of the end of the Vietnam war. The nation was very optimistic in 1969 and growing economically. There were never any federal mask mandates until Biden crossed that line and violated both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

No businesses were shut down, no schools were closed in 1969. Nobody panicked in 1969 like they did in 2020 because the media wasn't intentionally inciting fear in 1969 like they did in 2020.

 

[Yakshi]

There was never any mask mandate in 1969, nor did the pandemic run "rampant for three years." It began in November 1968, just like COVID-19 began in November 2019, and ran until the next flu season began in November 1969. Some hospitals may have panicked and become completely irrational, but that was not the case with government. Nixon had just been elected President and we were looking forward to the beginning of the end of the Vietnam war. The nation was very optimistic in 1969 and growing economically. There were never any federal mask mandates until Biden crossed that line and violated both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

No businesses were shut down, no schools were closed in 1969. Nobody panicked in 1969 like they did in 2020 because the media wasn't intentionally inciting fear in 1969 like they did in 2020.

Nobody wore any stupid mask

 

[MaryP]

There was never any mask mandate in 1969, nor did the pandemic run "rampant for three years." It began in November 1968, just like COVID-19 began in November 2019, and ran until the next flu season began in November 1969. Some hospitals may have panicked and become completely irrational, but that was not the case with government. Nixon had just been elected President and we were looking forward to the beginning of the end of the Vietnam war. The nation was very optimistic in 1969 and growing economically. There were never any federal mask mandates until Biden crossed that line and violated both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

No businesses were shut down, no schools were closed in 1969. Nobody panicked in 1969 like they did in 2020 because the media wasn't intentionally inciting fear in 1969 like they did in 2020.

Well, it sounds pretty obvious that the Hong Kong flu was weak kneed compared to Covid, which has killed well over 600,000 and has been going on for over a year with no sign of letting up.

Hong Kong Flu Deaths​

In comparison to other pandemics, the Hong Kong flu yielded a low death rate, with a case-fatality ratio below 0.5% making it a category 2 disease on the Pandemic Severity Index. The pandemic infected an estimated 500,000 Hong Kong residents, 15% of the population. In the United States, approximately 33,800 people died.

Hong Kong Flu (1968 Influenza Pandemic)

The first record of the outbreak in Hong Kong appeared on 13 July 1968. By the end of July 1968, extensive outbreaks were reported in Vietnam and Singapore. Despite the fatality of the 1957 Asian Flu in China, little improvement had been made regarding the handling of such epidemics. The Times...

www.sinobiological.com

the death rate from the Hong Kong flu was lower than most other 20th-century pandemics.[15] The World Health Organization estimated the case fatality rate of Hong Kong flu to be lower than 0.2%.[1] The disease was allowed to spread through the population without restrictions on economic activity, and a vaccine created by American microbiologist Maurice Hilleman and his team became available four months after it had started.[22][23][24] Fewer people died during this pandemic than in previous pandemics for several reasons:[31]

Hong Kong flu - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

However, the CDC says up to 100,000 Americans died, saying the "excess deaths" were in those over 65, whatever that means.

 

[Glitch]

Well, it sounds pretty obvious that the Hong Kong flu was weak kneed compared to Covid, which has killed well over 600,000 and has been going on for over a year with no sign of letting up.

Actually, it wasn't. COVID-19 has been overly hyped, and when you have Congress paying hospitals based upon the number of COVID-19 related deaths, you can expect those COVID-19 related deaths to magically expand exponentially. Taking into consideration the population increase since 1969, I would say that the number of deaths between the Hong Kong Flu and COVID-19 are very similar.

COVID-19 ended last year. All these so-called "variants" are leftists desperately trying to keep the panic going so they can maintain their fascist control over the population by illegally restricting people's liberties. It is just another case of the flu season that began in November 2020. If you check the CDC website you will find that every flu-related death in 2020 and 2021 is being attributed to COVID-19, and there have been virtually no deaths from the flu. Which is a statistical impossibility, and proves that every flu-related death since November 2020 is wrongly being blamed on COVID-19 intentionally.

 

[Puigb]

I remember Beau of the Fifth Column saying that no counties in Florida pay any attention to him; they do as they see fit. When he came out with the no mask mandate, I noticed businesses kept their requirements, anyway. I'm sure you're right.

However it's worrisome that he's threatening school funding.

Yep. DeSantis is just basically a sideshow. He exists solely to placate the radical MAGA base, and everyone else just ignores him.

And he won't do anything to school funding, it's all bluster to please his idiot base.

 

[MaryP]

Yep. DeSantis is just basically a sideshow. He exists solely to placate the radical MAGA base, and everyone else just ignores him.

And he won't do anything to school funding, it's all bluster to please his idiot base.

Well, I sure hope not.

 

[MaryP]

you check the CDC website you will find that every flu-related death in 2020 and 2021 is being attributed to COVID-19, and there have been virtually no deaths from the flu. Which is a statistical impossibility, and proves that every flu-related death since November 2020 is wrongly being blamed on COVID-19 intentionally.

According to my calculations, the US population is one and a half times greater than it was in 1969, not six times.


I did go to the CDC website and it's not saying yet how many people are estimated to have gotten the flu last season. It says it was very low, yes, but not nonexistent. This is being attributed to a record number of flu shots given and all the not breathing on each other stuff we were doing.

Upcoming 2020-2021 Influenza Season

What you need to know about the upcoming 2020-2021 influenza season in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

I don't believe all hospitals (and doctors) were lying to get more money, and neither did Jensen, who got the whole rumor started and then backtracked like crazy. Yes, they got more money; no they weren't all lying about it.

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

Your assertions are just brimming with excuses to try to minimize the impact of Covid. I'm not buying. Even if some of it's true, say half a million have died of Covid, it doesn't make it that much better. And WE AREN'T DONE, ARE WE?

 

[Ginger Ale]

Well, I'm glad to hear the schools have lawyers on it! Doesn't seem possible it can stand.

I didn't think the voting laws would stand but the supreme court did. I didn't think a group of Ninjas, paid for by people who wish Trump was still president, would still be messing with my ballot, but they are. I didn't think Ducey would get away with a lot of things he's getting away with. Some are just a blatant slap in the face.

I can't imagine how stressful it is to work for the school districts right now. As if a pandemic isn't enough to worry about. The crap our governor has pulled this year just doubles the already difficult time. State laws really matter.

 

[Ginger Ale]

The lack of transparency in this administration is frightening. Say what you will about Trump, but he and his team were out there for hours answering every question form the press.

Well he did talk a lot, I'll give you that.

Now, I couldn't understand what he was saying. Bleach, cleaner, I'm doing the best job ever, I hate the left, they're spying on me using this virus, you have the freedom to go maskless, GINA! Free your state from Covid protections, but, we are in a war with a virus, let's beat it by doing nothing but spreading it?

Covid is bad, very bad, and Covid isn't that bad, not bad at all..........
Contradictions, and bad information all over the place.

I don't think either side has handled this pandemic well so far, nor worked well with the CDC. Trump caused his own problems giving wacky Covid information. I guess you could call that transparent?

I think Americans are pretty much on their own with this one.

 

[Rawley]

Well he did talk a lot, I'll give you that.

Now, I couldn't understand what he was saying. Bleach, cleaner, I'm doing the best job ever, I hate the left, they're spying on me using this virus, you have the freedom to go maskless, GINA! Free your state from Covid protections, but, we are in a war with a virus, let's beat it by doing nothing but spreading it?

Covid is bad, very bad, and Covid isn't that bad, not bad at all..........
Contradictions, and bad information all over the place.

I don't think either side has handled this pandemic well so far, nor worked well with the CDC. Trump caused his own problems giving wacky Covid information. I guess you could call that transparent?

I think Americans are pretty much on their own with this one.

Again, say what you want about him, but he had his team out there answering questions for hours.. Biden's team has given up even making their policy announcements via teleconference. Now they issue a memo and hide in their offices.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

How about this, if you want to wear a mask you can wear one. If you want to make your kid wear a mask, I feel sorry for them but ultimately that's up to you. Just leave the rest of our kids alone.

Unfortunately, your dirty ass rug rat can carry it with them to school because you are too stubborn to wear a mask a well, and they can pass it off to my kid unknowingly and they can bring it home to my immuno-compromised father after his liver transplant.

Put simply....leaving your kids alone puts ALL of our kids and families at risk.....and over something as simple as a ****ing mask. It really just boggles the mind.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Yeah and tomorrow they'll say something different. My first point, about the purpose of a school, holds regardless.

How exactly does wearing a mask impede that at all?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Again, say what you want about him, but he had his team out there answering questions for hours.. Biden's team has given up even making their policy announcements via teleconference. Now they issue a memo and hide in their offices.

What you call answering questions, most other people would call lying and spreading disinformation. Not exactly worthy of giving credit for, for the record.