DeSantis signs bill banning protests outside any residence

[ttwtt78640]

The way I read that is if you are picketing that person , AT their residence. That is the target.

OK, but if you live or visit another person living near (not defined as fas as I can tell) the residence of a person who supports X can you have an anti-X sign or bumper sticker?

 

[mike2810]

Interesting that you would bring Jan 6th up. Are you in favor of not charging the overwhelming majority of protesters that were there that day? I would like to see a little more consistency in how the law is applied across the board. Rather than seeing one group treated as arch criminals of the highest magnitude while other groups crimes are completely ignored. The double standard only works for as long as people tolerate it and that tolerance seems to be waning rapidly.

you really did not address my question.

To answer yours, those that entered the Capital should be charged. Those that just attended the rally and stayed outside the barriers, no they should not be charged.

 

[Overitall]

(CNN)Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill Monday that makes it illegal to protest or picket outside a person's home and gives police the authority to arrest violators who don't disperse after a warning.

"Sending unruly mobs to private residences, like we have seen with the angry crowds in front of the homes of Supreme Court justices, is inappropriate," DeSantis said in a statement. "This bill will provide protection to those living in residential communities, and I am glad to sign it into law."

In his statement, DeSantis was referencing protests earlier this month outside the Washington, DC-area homes of US Supreme Court justices ahead of a highly anticipated ruling on an abortion-related case. Republicans have criticized the demonstrations as an attempt to bully the court to uphold Roe v. Wade after a leaked draft ruling suggested the court was poised to overturn the landmark decision.

DeSantis signs bill banning protests outside any residence | CNN Politics

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill Monday that makes it illegal to protest or picket outside a person's home and gives police the authority to arrest violators who don't disperse after a warning.

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I don’t know how a bill like this could be constitutional. I understand wanting to protect private citizens who aren’t involved in whatever people are protesting about, but I don’t think this is the way to do it. If a protester causes damage or trespasses then they should be arrested, but if they are being peaceful I would not want to see that happen. One would hope that protesters would be civil enough to leave innocent people alone, but I don’t see that happening either.

Most communities have public nuisance laws.

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In almost every community, there are laws and ordinances that prohibit excessive, unnecessary, and unreasonable levels of noise.

When you do find the local noise ordinances that apply to the area that you live in, don't be surprised to find out that the laws set aside certain times of the day when there is supposed to be a general quiet. These hours range and depend upon the day.

In addition, many cities and towns also have some prohibition on sustained noise levels above a certain decibel. Police will often investigate by placing a decibel meter near the property line and take a reading over a period of time.

I'm not sure about in Florida, but there's one in my community. The question is always going to be one of enforcement. Bottomline, if there is a law on the books about nuisance in Florida then this law is somewhat redundant.

 

[jonny5]

This is completely different to shouting fire in a cinema.
This is criminalising people for simply standing with a sign.

No it isnt.

 

[mike2810]

Lol.....you're so desperate to make the topic 1/6 that you've said it three times. How about all the people killed and billions of damages by leftist protesters? Got any comments about that or you cool with it?

LOL, No I am not cool with it. Those protesters who set fires, destroy property, etc. should be caught and charged.
Clear enough for you.

So Fishking, Do you support the protesters who entered the Capital and disrupted Congress ? Not talking about those who stayed outside behind the barriers.

 

[Peter]

Im agreeing with you on supporting free speech. Im saying your simplification is wrong. The intent of the Florida law is to prevent disturbing people at their house over political differences. I think all but a minority would agree with that. But I dont like the idea of criminalizing it regardless.

But Its not criminalizing protesting in general.

The problem here is that these are Supreme Court Justices.
Their decisions affect everyone in the US and this is a particularly controversial issue.

The Justices also don't live in average houses like most here do and have security and ample grounds.
I would maybe agree with you if they lived in a London style flat with bugger all outside space and had to commute in but the Justices and family will not be bothered by the protestors who I feel have every right to voice displeasure at a ruling such as this.

 

[Peter]

No it isnt.

How is standing on a sidewalk with a sign the same as shouting "Fire" in a cinema?

For a start, 99% of people are going to ignore the person with a sign anyway whereas I doubt most people will risk burning to death even if the film is amazing.

 

[BlueTex]

The Democrats taught us. It's not about who votes for you as much as it's about who counts the votes.

Meh, if we have to whip the GQP's ass in a courtroom we will be more than happy to do it again...

 

[jonny5]

The problem here is that these are Supreme Court Justices.
Their decisions affect everyone in the US and this is a particularly controversial issue.

The Justices also don't live in average houses like most here do and have security and ample grounds.
I would maybe agree with you if they lived in a London style flat with bugger all outside space and had to commute in but the Justices and family will not be bothered by the protestors who I feel have every right to voice displeasure at a ruling such as this.

This thread is about the Florida bill, which protects everyone, not just govt officials.

 

[jonny5]

How is standing on a sidewalk with a sign the same as shouting "Fire" in a cinema?

For a start, 99% of people are going to ignore the person with a sign anyway whereas I doubt most people will risk burning to death even if the film is amazing.

It isnt, but neither is criminal in Florida.

 

[Overitall]

How is standing on a sidewalk with a sign the same as shouting "Fire" in a cinema?

It's inducing potential panic. If you had kids in the neighborhood, do you think they might be scared about what's going on in a neighborhood they usually feel safe walking in?

For a start, 99% of people are going to ignore the person with a sign anyway whereas I doubt most people will risk burning to death even if the film is amazing.

 

[Peter]

It's inducing potential panic. If you had kids in the neighborhood, do you think they might be scared about what's going on in a neighborhood they usually feel safe walking in?

Just how wimpy are Americans if a person with a sign causes them to fly into a blind panic?

I worked at a shop and for 4 years we had this absolute nutter in the town megaphoning absolute bollocks about I think it was the end of the world and somehow people didn't fly into a blind panic and run away screaming.
People just ignored him and he eventually buggered off.

 

[Peter]

This thread is about the Florida bill, which protects everyone, not just govt officials.

So, just how far does this no protest zone extend?
1 mile from someone's house? 100 miles?

 

[Overitall]

Just how wimpy are Americans if a person with a sign causes them to fly into a blind panic?

Americans can be very wimpy. Have you not heard about "safe places" in many schools (both pre and college)?

I worked at a shop and for 4 years we had this absolute nutter in the town megaphoning absolute bollocks about I think it was the end of the world and somehow people didn't fly into a blind panic and run away screaming.
People just ignored him and he eventually buggered off.

That's nice that you were able to just ignore a "nutter". However, your resolve to do so can't always be expected of others.

 

[Peter]

Americans can be very wimpy. Have you not heard about "safe places" in many schools (both pre and college)?

That's nice that you were able to just ignore a "nutter". However, your resolve to do so can't always be expected of others.

It wasn't just me, he was in the town centre and to be fair this is the UK and we're programmed from birth not to make a fuss.
Hell, I apologise if someone walks into me and that's normal here.

 

[jonny5]

So, just how far does this no protest zone extend?
1 mile from someone's house? 100 miles?

"It is unlawful for a person to picket or protest before or about the dwelling of any person with the intent to harass or disturb that person in his or her dwelling."

 

[Overitall]

It wasn't just me, he was in the town centre and to be fair this is the UK and we're programmed from birth not to make a fuss.
Hell, I apologise if someone walks into me and that's normal here.

I suppose the saying "Different strokes for different folks." would apply here. We have the 4th of July in the States and yet fireworks and such are going off for days around the 4th. Imagine having to get up to work at 5:30 am only to be kept awake by noisy mobs in the streets. That might be unsettling for some. Especially if kids have school the next day.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Yay, there goes free speech in the dustbin.

Standing in the street peacefully with a sign is now a crime.
America truly is the Land of the Free.

You can say whatever you want, whenever you want. You just can't harass people by doing it in front of their homes.

 

[rahl]

Then you'll have no problem testing that thesis. Go protest in front of someone's house in Florida and get back to me.

I'd be happy to. I could use the money from the lawsuit.

 

[rahl]

The state owns that space, you pay taxes to USE it which means there are limits to HOW you can use it.

lol good lord you are terrible at civics.

 

[post]

Which of the three articles are you referring to? I could post a dozen more if you'd like. Obama's attacks on the press are well known, including the targeting of reporters.

I don't know what sources influence you. Please support your claims about Obama, personally. I never voted for Obama or Trump but I
see no comparison of Obama's "attacks" on the press vs Trump's.

From trade to transcripts, it's FACT CHECK FRIDAY

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Racist or religious themed attacks by "conservative infotainment" outlets against Obama do not qualify as "press coverage".

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Sep 7, 2019 — "Now there are signs that Donald Trump and his Republican supporters are taking a similar attitude to political journalists, casting them as enemy combatants and fair game for character assassination...."

 

[rahl]

The Democrats taught us. It's not about who votes for you as much as it's about who counts the votes.

huh? Millions more people voted for biden than for trump. This was verified by dozens of recounts (done by republicans by the way), and dozens of audits. We know beyond doubt that biden won the election. You do know that there are republicans and democrats in each polling location who count the votes right?

 

[rahl]

Im agreeing with you on supporting free speech. Im saying your simplification is wrong. The intent of the Florida law is to prevent disturbing people at their house over political differences. I think all but a minority would agree with that. But I dont like the idea of criminalizing it regardless.

But Its not criminalizing protesting in general.

The 1st amendment does not permit this type of law from being enforced.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

It's inducing potential panic. If you had kids in the neighborhood, do you think they might be scared about what's going on in a neighborhood they usually feel safe walking in?

"Yer Honor, my clients goldfish is DISTURBED by peeple exercizing their constitutional right to protest on a traditional public forum, the sidewalk in front of his house, and this should be prohibited!"

 

[SuperDS77]

I don't know what sources influence you. Please support your claims about Obama, personally. I never voted for Obama or Trump but I
see no comparison of Obama's "attacks" on the press vs Trump's.

As the other poster noted, Obama's attacks on the press were much more pernicious. Whereas Trump used harsh rhetoric, he did not use the force of the government to go after opponents in the press.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the-sunday-edition-for-may-5-2019-1.5121509/barack-obama-was-a-greater-enemy-of-the-free-press-than-trump-michael-s-essay-1.5121514

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Donald J. Trump may have made rumblings and grumblings, threatening all kinds of confrontation. But he has never done anything but talk.

The Obama administration, on the other hand, declared open war on the press in a take-no-prisoners kind of way.

Obama's justice department tapped reporters' phones, dragged reporters into court, and prosecuted three times as many cases targeting leakers than all previous administrations combined.

Comparisons, odious in tone, have been made to the criminal enterprise known as Nixon administration.

Len Downie of The Post wrote: "The administration's war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I've seen since the Nixon administration."

Take the case of James Risen, a good reporter for the New York Times. The Obama justice department spent seven years — seven — in court, trying to get Risen to reveal his sources.

In another case, the Obama White House went after a Fox News reporter who was trying to get information about North Korea's nuclear arsenal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/neil-macdonald-barack-obama-s-war-on-the-press-1.1412489
In public court documents, Obama's attorneys actually called the reporter a conspirator against the United States.

The administration dug up and scoured records of nearly 100 Associated Press reporters and editors.

Throughout the eight years of the administration, the Obama White House singled out Fox News for special attention.

Said one Obama communications aide: "We're going to treat them the way we treat an opponent."