Democrats To Start Without GOP Input

[Stinger]

And the lies keep coming

Remember how the Dems demanded bipartisanship and ran on the premise that they would govener by compromise and bipartisianship.

Well out the window that goes

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Quick Passage of First Bills Sought
[SIZE=-1]By Lyndsey Layton and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, January 2, 2007; A01
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As they prepare to take control of Congress this week and face up to campaign pledges to restore bipartisanship and openness, Democrats are planning to largely sideline Republicans from the first burst of lawmaking.
House Democrats intend to pass a raft of popular measures as part of their well-publicized plan for the first 100 hours. They include tightening ethics rules for lawmakers, raising the minimum wage, allowing more research on stem cells and cutting interest rates on student loans.
But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.

 

[PeteEU]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Of course they are not gonna be bipartisan in kicking out partisan republican laws and rules laid down the last decade. No one in their right mind would expect that. This is just more :spin: The Dems did in fact also promise to get rid of the various laws and rules that the Republicans forced through over the years in a partisan way, so in that effect they are living up to their campaign promise.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Of course they are not gonna be bipartisan in kicking out partisan republican laws and rules laid down the last decade. No one in their right mind would expect that.

So you admit they were lying all the time and their complaints about Republicans was nothing more than lies.

And when the Republicans then adopt the Dem strategy of obstruction, surely you won't complain.

 

[Goobieman]

So, who here is surprised by this?

Democrats To Start Without GOP Input
Quick Passage of First Bills Sought

By Lyndsey Layton and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, January 2, 2007; A01

As they prepare to take control of Congress this week and face up to campaign pledges to restore bipartisanship and openness, Democrats are planning to largely sideline Republicans from the first burst of lawmaking.

House Democrats intend to pass a raft of popular measures as part of their well-publicized plan for the first 100 hours. They include tightening ethics rules for lawmakers, raising the minimum wage, allowing more research on stem cells and cutting interest rates on student loans.

But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.

Democrats To Start Without GOP Input - washingtonpost.com

 

[Stinger]

Beat you to it in the partisian politics section.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Of course they are not gonna be bipartisan in kicking out partisan republican laws and rules laid down the last decade. No one in their right mind would expect that.

So... the Democrats lied when they said they would work with the GOP?

 

[Iriemon]

Re: And the lies keep coming

So... the Democrats lied when they said they would work with the GOP?

The seem to be working with them just as well as Republicans worked with the Dems as promised by Mr. "I'm a uniter not a divider."

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

The seem to be working with them just as well as Republicans worked with the Democrats as promised by Mr. "I'm a uniter not a divider."

They promised to include the Republicans and engage in compromise and bipartisanship and already the lie is being exposed. Bush did work with Democrats and they stabbed him in the back. We are talking about the Congress here. So do you admit they lied?

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

They promised to include the Republicans and engage in compromise and bipartisanship and already the lie is being exposed. Bush did work with Democrats and they stabbed him in the back. We are talking about the Congress here. So do you admit they lied?

Obviously Iriemon thinks that because Bush (supposedly) lied, it's OK for the Dems to lie as well. 2 wrongs make a right, and all. :roll:

 

[Iriemon]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Obviously Iriemon thinks that because Bush (supposedly) lied, it's OK for the Democrats to lie as well. 2 wrongs make a right, and all. :roll:

Just get a kick out of you cons whining now about the same stuff you did.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Just get a kick out of you cons whining now about the same stuff you did.

Right over you head I see. If the Dems had run on the premise that they would run the congress like the Republicans, and like they did previously, then fine. But they didn't. And they lied.

 

[Dezaad]

Re: And the lies keep coming

As a liberal, I am in full agreement that Democrats should work with Republicans in the ways that they complained about Republicans not working with Democrats. If they do not do these things, they should be criticized.

This country needs unification through bipartisanship after years of Republicans dividing us through new levels of partisanship. Democrats should seek to include Republicans.

That said, Iriemon has a point that the same Republicans who cheered Bush's partisanship after many of us were deceived into believing he was a 'uniter not a divider' are now wanting to hold Democrats to account. By Republican standards, such campaign promises are not the sort of ones that ought to be kept. We'll see about Democratic standards.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

This country needs unification through bipartisanship after years of Republicans dividing us through new levels of partisanship.

Yes -- because the Republicans attacked and villified Nixon and Reagan every chance they got. :roll:

That said, Iriemon has a point that the same Republicans who cheered Bush's partisanship after many of us were deceived into believing he was a 'uniter not a divider' are now wanting to hold Democrats to account.

Its hard to unite people that don't want to be united. The Dems never had any intention of working with Bush, who they argued (and still do argue, for th emost part) didn't win the election in the first place. Bush opened the door numerous times, and the Dems, out of sheer spite, refused to walk through.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

That said, Iriemon has a point that the same Republicans who cheered Bush's partisanship after many of us were deceived into believing he was a 'uniter not a divider' are now wanting to hold Democrats to account. By Republican standards, such campaign promises are not the sort of ones that ought to be kept. We'll see about Democratic standards.

How did he NOT work with them? The DEMS refused to be bipartisian not the other way around and when he did work with them they stabbed him in the back. And remember he was elected to do what the voters who voted for him wanted him to do not the Dems who did not vote for him.

 

[Dezaad]

Re: And the lies keep coming

I knew there was a reason you didn't include the actual link to the article. You didn't want any nuance to the Democratic position to be portrayed:

Democrats To Start Without GOP Input
Daly said Democrats are still committed to sharing power with the minority down the line. "The test is not the first 100 hours," he said. "The test is the first six months or the first year. We will do what we promised to do."
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Senate Democrats will allow Republicans to make amendments to all their initiatives, starting with the first measure -- ethics and lobbying reform, said Jim Manley, spokesman for the incoming majority leader, Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.).
In the House, Louise M. Slaughter (D-N.Y.), who will chair the Rules Committee, said she intends to bring openness to a committee that used to meet in the middle of the night. In the new Congress, the panel -- which sets the terms of debate on the House floor -- will convene at 10 a.m. before a roomful of reporters.
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At the same time, she added, the majority would grant Republicans every possible chance to alter legislation once it reaches the floor. "We intend to allow some of their amendments, not all of them," Slaughter said.

For several reasons, House Democrats are assiduously trying to avoid some of the heavy-handed tactics they resented under GOP rule. They say they want to prove to voters they are setting a new tone on Capitol Hill. But they are also convinced that Republicans lost the midterms in part because they were perceived as arrogant and divisive.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

I knew there was a reason you didn't include the actual link to the article. You didn't want any nuance to the Democratic position to be portrayed:

If you can site where they said during the campaign that the bipartisanship and the working with the Republicans would occur AFTER they got what they wanted then please do so else my post stands.

"At the same time, she added, the majority would grant Republicans every possible chance to alter legislation once it reaches the floor. "We intend to allow some of their amendments, not all of them," Slaughter said."

Not anymore. It was a lie.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

I knew there was a reason you didn't include the actual link to the article. You didn't want any nuance to the Democratic position to be portrayed:

The "nuance":

Daly said Democrats are still committed to sharing power with the minority down the line. "The test is not the first 100 hours," he said. "The test is the first six months or the first year. We will do what we promised to do."

In other words -- we'll work with the GOP when we want to, and that counts as doing what we said we'd do.

To wit:

"We intend to allow some of their amendments, not all of them," Slaughter said.

:roll:

 

[Iriemon]

Re: And the lies keep coming

:boohoo: :baby2: :2rofll:

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Not that anyone really expected the Dems to keep their promise, nor any of the liberals/Dems here to hold them to it.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

So, who here is surprised by this?



Democrats To Start Without GOP Input - washingtonpost.com

So many Democratic promises already have gone down the toilet. It only took a few hours after winning Congress to back down from the Impeachment promise and now this.

Hey, Dems, how does it feel to be lied to?

 

[Goobieman]

So many Democratic promises already have gone down the toilet. It only took a few hours after winning Congress to back down from the Impeachment promise and now this.
Hey, Democrats, how does it feel to be lied to?

Lying to people to get their vote is a means to and end -- and as far as Dems regaining power in Congress goes (that is, when it suits them) the end justifies the means.

 

[niftydrifty]

Hey, Democrats, how does it feel to be lied to?

As a citizen, really no different than when previous government officials did the same. No different as when the previous congress dismissed the previous minority party. And this is really no different than all the other grandstanding double standards stinger is so famous for.

It's not like lying about a war, ... or a blowjob, for gawd's sake.

 

[Goobieman]

As a citizen, really no different than when previous government officials did the same.

Everyone does it, so its OK, eh?
:roll:

 

[Stinger]

And this is really no different than all the other grandstanding double standards stinger is so famous for.

Geez the lies are even popping up here. But when you can't win on the issues...................

 

[PeteEU]

Bush and the republican congress bi-partisan? Bush opened doors? The republican congress tried to work with the dems? got any other good jokes?