Democrats take Obama shift in stride

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The story says even more about the attitudes and desire that Democrats will push their principles aside because regardless of how much Barrack Hussein Obama moves away from his campaign rhetoric, the bottom line is WINNING in November.

So Democrats, do not Judge the messiah for his changes in policy which he will be adjusting all the way through November, moderates his positions and moves back to the right center in order to get elected, it is only to get elected. Once he is in office, not to worry Liberals, he will push his radical agenda for America and bury any notions that he is not one of the most Liberal politician in Washington.

What is apparent is that Barrack Hussein Obama is not the messiah; he is not the catalyst for change; he is nothing more than another Liberal politician who is willing to say or do anything, even if it means telling lies, to get elected in the interest, not of the American people or having principled positions, but political power which is tantamount to the DNC and the most important thing for Liberals, even if it requires they take the positions of Osama Bin Laden or Americas enemies to get it.

CAMPAIGN '08
Democrats take Obama shift in stride

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As Barack Obama moves to broaden his appeal beyond loyal Democrats, a chorus of anger and disappointment has arisen from the left. But those voices are a distinct minority because the party has a more pressing concern: winning in November.

On Wednesday, Obama again bucked his liberal allies, voting in the Senate to give legal immunity to phone companies that took part in warrantless wiretapping after the Sept. 11 attacks. Critics chided Obama for the vote -- which put him crossways with dozens of Democratic colleagues, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

"We're willing to work through this period," said Richard Parker, president of the liberal Americans for Democratic Action, one of the party's most enduring advocacy groups. In the long run, he said, the organization's "serious concerns" about Obama are far outweighed by its disagreements with Republican John McCain.

Gerald Austin, a veteran Democratic strategist, put it more succinctly: "When I hear people complaining . . . I tell them I have one thing to say: 'President John McCain. Three Supreme Court appointments.' That's all I need to say."

But one similarity is a deep hunger among Democrats to take back the White House -- which has made many in the party willing to stomach views they might have once rejected.

Democrats take Obama shift in stride - Los Angeles Times

 

[Ikari]

Re: The headlines say it all

how is this different than the GOP? They threw away their values and integrity to pursue victory some time ago. Small government...HA! Nothing of the sort anymore, fear monger, spend more, increase government; that's what they're all about now. So the otherside is doing it too now....big surprise.

 

[Truth Detector]

Re: The headlines say it all

how is this different than the GOP? They threw away their values and integrity to pursue victory some time ago. Small government...HA! Nothing of the sort anymore, fear monger, spend more, increase government; that's what they're all about now. So the otherside is doing it too now....big surprise.

There is a HUGE difference between a party whose platform argues for less Government, lower taxation and less regulation of free markets, and one who promises higher taxes, bigger Government programs and greater Government intrusion into every facet of your lives.

Did the GOP throw their values away? The primary reasons for the growth in Government were the creation of Homeland Security which was the primary recommendation of the bi-partisan 9-11 commission. Did you not agree with it?

Other than that, I don’t know what other expansion of Government we have seen. We did have the bi-partisan passage of the Medicare drug reform act, do you not think elderly people should have cheaper drugs?

As for the deficit, that is the result of the effects and HUGE impact 9-11 had on our economy, our politics and Government, along with the costs of conducting two wars and recovery of New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina. You did believe we should send millions to help the poor there recover didn’t you?

The bottom line is that Democrats have never shown any desire to balance a budget and have never found a Government program they didn't want to fund on the backs of the taxpayers. What makes them such deficit hawks now? Is the current Democrat majority in congress working towards legislation that balances the current budget?

The only "fear mongering" I see is primarily coming from the DNC, Democrats, Liberals and their willing accomplices in the drive-by media. They have fear mongered over our possible successes in Iraq and Afghanistan, fear mongered over the economy, falsely suggested we are in a recession which is not true, fear mongered over the NSA spying program, fear mongered about us torturing our prisoners.....is there any fear mongering I have left off?

Spare me your absurd notions that Liberals are strangers to deficits, corruption, character assassinations and fear mongering. It would require the willing suspension of disbelief which appears to be the state of mind of Democrats and Liberals these days.

 

[rivrrat]

Obama is no different than any other politician.

I spent the better part of a day during my mother's 2 week visit trying to convince her NOT to vote for Obama. I think I suceeded in getting her to realize the inherent wrongness of many of his views.

Same goes for McCain.

 

[winston53660]

Re: The headlines say it all

There is a HUGE difference between a party whose platform argues for less Government, lower taxation and less regulation of free markets, and one who promises higher taxes, bigger Government programs and greater Government intrusion into every facet of your lives.

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Yeah the that argues for smaller government actually increases government.

 

[Truth Detector]

Obama is no different than any other politician.

I spent the better part of a day during my mother's 2 week visit trying to convince her NOT to vote for Obama. I think I suceeded in getting her to realize the inherent wrongness of many of his views.

Same goes for McCain.

I am surprised by this comment based on your previous arguments.

 

[Truth Detector]

Re: The headlines say it all

Yeah the that argues for smaller government actually increases government.

So you do not think Bush should have implemented the recommendations of the 9-11 commission and created the Department of Homeland Security?

 

[winston53660]

Re: The headlines say it all

So you do not think Bush should have implemented the recommendations of the 9-11 commission and created the Department of Homeland Security?

Are you saying you want more government now?

You guys say one thing then do the polar opposite.

 

[rivrrat]

I am surprised by this comment based on your previous arguments.

Why? Because I don't agree with the war in Iraq anymore?

 

[Truth Detector]

Re: The headlines say it all

Are you saying you want more government now?

You guys say one thing then do the polar opposite.

Do you always answer a question with another question? How hard is it to answer?

I will ask again; Do you not think Bush should have implemented the recommendations of the 9-11 commission and created the Department of Homeland Security?

 

[Truth Detector]

Why? Because I don't agree with the war in Iraq anymore?

Does this mean you DID agree with the war before?

 

[Ikari]

Re: The headlines say it all

There is a HUGE difference between a party whose platform argues for less Government, lower taxation and less regulation of free markets, and one who promises higher taxes, bigger Government programs and greater Government intrusion into every facet of your lives.

Too bad we don't have one of those less government, lower taxation, less regulation parties anymore. They're both big government, big spending, big brother parties.

Did the GOP throw their values away?

Clearly they have.

The primary reasons for the growth in Government were the creation of Homeland Security which was the primary recommendation of the bi-partisan 9-11 commission. Did you not agree with it?

We never needed Homeland Security, we had all the agencies we'd ever need before. It's just more government growth, more usurpation of power, more spending, and less liberty.

Other than that, I don’t know what other expansion of Government we have seen. We did have the bi-partisan passage of the Medicare drug reform act, do you not think elderly people should have cheaper drugs?

Bush's Medicare part D? You mean the "screw the elderly, thank you pharmaceutical companies" plan? That one? The one that was nothing more than a naked play to the pharmaceutical companies at the expense of those the system was designed to protect? That one? Cause yeah, that was **** too.

As for the deficit, that is the result of the effects and HUGE impact 9-11 had on our economy, our politics and Government, along with the costs of conducting two wars and recovery of New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina. You did believe we should send millions to help the poor there recover didn’t you?

And don't forget the unconstitutional occupational war the party of "no nation building" got us into. That is a bit of a tax on the ol' pocket book. New Orleans isn't even rebuilt, most of that money was taken up in bureaucracy. And even the items bought and intended to go to the ravished areas where taken by other government agencies. So is that what you're talking about here? Do I want to feign concern for the poor, steal money from the people, then waste it on government corruption and theft? Yeah, I can do without that as well.

The bottom line is that Democrats have never shown any desire to balance a budget and have never found a Government program they didn't want to fund on the backs of the taxpayers. What makes them such deficit hawks now? Is the current Democrat majority in congress working towards legislation that balances the current budget?

When was the last time the budget was balanced? Oh yeah...Clinton. The Republicans have never shown any recent desire to balance the budget, and have never found a government program they didn't want to fund on the backs of the taxpayers so long as that program included spying, erosion of liberty, and growth of government power. Republicans suck just as much as the Democrats. Status quo, the whole lot. Nothing changes with those treasonous jerks behind the wheel.

The only "fear mongering" I see is primarily coming from the DNC, Democrats, Liberals and their willing accomplices in the drive-by media.

Probably because you're closing your eyes.

They have fear mongered over our possible successes in Iraq and Afghanistan, fear mongered over the economy, falsely suggested we are in a recession which is not true, fear mongered over the NSA spying program, fear mongered about us torturing our prisoners.....is there any fear mongering I have left off?

And what have the republicans done? Gotten us into wars which were not our concern. Create a near Imperial branch of the government through occupation of foreign lands, ballooned the deficit faster than any Democrat could have hoped to do, and moved us further along the road to Big Brother tyranny than any past President was able to accomplish. Way to go, that's real great right there.

Spare me your absurd notions that Liberals are strangers to deficits, corruption, character assassinations and fear mongering. It would require the willing suspension of disbelief which appears to be the state of mind of Democrats and Liberals these days.

Spare me your partisan rhetoric and blind patriotism to a political party which has clearly abandoned all that it once stood for. Republicans are not strangers to deficits, corruption, character assassinations and fear mongering. It would require the willing suspension of disbelief which appears to be the state of mind of Republicans and Neo-cons these days.

 

[rivrrat]

Does this mean you DID agree with the war before?

Indeed it does. I used to argue quite vehemently FOR the war. While I have never been a Bush supporter, I did - at one time - feel that the wars after 9/11 were the only thing he did right.

Then I became more educated, especially as new information came to light. The fact that I was misled really kinda pissed me off. I had to eat a lot crow.

 

[Truth Detector]

Re: The headlines say it all

Too bad we don't have one of those less government, lower taxation, less regulation parties anymore. They're both big government, big spending, big brother parties.

Clearly they have.

We never needed Homeland Security, we had all the agencies we'd ever need before. It's just more government growth, more usurpation of power, more spending, and less liberty.

Bush's Medicare part D? You mean the "screw the elderly, thank you pharmaceutical companies" plan? That one? The one that was nothing more than a naked play to the pharmaceutical companies at the expense of those the system was designed to protect? That one? Cause yeah, that was **** too.

And don't forget the unconstitutional occupational war the party of "no nation building" got us into. That is a bit of a tax on the ol' pocket book. New Orleans isn't even rebuilt, most of that money was taken up in bureaucracy. And even the items bought and intended to go to the ravished areas where taken by other government agencies. So is that what you're talking about here? Do I want to feign concern for the poor, steal money from the people, then waste it on government corruption and theft? Yeah, I can do without that as well.

When was the last time the budget was balanced? Oh yeah...Clinton. The Republicans have never shown any recent desire to balance the budget, and have never found a government program they didn't want to fund on the backs of the taxpayers so long as that program included spying, erosion of liberty, and growth of government power. Republicans suck just as much as the Democrats. Status quo, the whole lot. Nothing changes with those treasonous jerks behind the wheel.

Probably because you're closing your eyes.

And what have the republicans done? Gotten us into wars which were not our concern. Create a near Imperial branch of the government through occupation of foreign lands, ballooned the deficit faster than any Democrat could have hoped to do, and moved us further along the road to Big Brother tyranny than any past President was able to accomplish. Way to go, that's real great right there.

Spare me your partisan rhetoric and blind patriotism to a political party which has clearly abandoned all that it once stood for. Republicans are not strangers to deficits, corruption, character assassinations and fear mongering. It would require the willing suspension of disbelief which appears to be the state of mind of Republicans and Neo-cons these days.

Without once more entering into the circle of futility of all the patent distiortions and flasehood contained in the above rant, I only have one question to ask you if you are so adamantly against big government and high taxes; Do you support Barrack Hussein Obama and the Democrats?

Without once more entering into the circle of futility of all the patent distortions and falsehood contained in the above rant, I only have one question to ask you if you are so adamantly against big government and high taxes; do you support Barrack Hussein Obama and the Democrats?


I will just take one of your false assertions to illustrate why most of your rant above lacks any modicum of credibility:

Bush's Medicare part D? You mean the "screw the elderly, thank you pharmaceutical companies" plan? That one? The one that was nothing more than a naked play to the pharmaceutical companies at the expense of those the system was designed to protect? That one? Cause yeah, that was **** too.

My parents are elderly and on Part D Medicare and they tell me it has saved them a lot….I asked after reading all the disinformation on the program, but then, you are an expert about Medicare I am sure and have facts to support your wild-eyed claims.

 

[Ikari]

Re: The headlines say it all

Without once more entering into the circle of futility of all the patent distiortions and flasehood contained in the above rant, I only have one question to ask you if you are so adamantly against big government and high taxes; Do you support Barrack Hussein Obama and the Democrats?

Of course I don't support Obama (I won't even make stupid comments linking him to terrorists) or the Democrats. They're just as bad as the Republicans.

Without once more entering into the circle of futility of all the patent distortions and falsehood contained in the above rant, I only have one question to ask you if you are so adamantly against big government and high taxes; do you support Barrack Hussein Obama and the Democrats?

Not any more than I support John "Mussolini" McCain (see I can do it too...pretty stupid and annoying isn't it?).

I will just take one of your false assertions to illustrate why most of your rant above lacks any modicum of credibility:

My parents are elderly and on Part D Medicare and they tell me it has saved them a lot….I asked after reading all the disinformation on the program, but then, you are an expert about Medicare I am sure and have facts to support your wild-eyed claims.

Do a bit of the ol' research. I'll tell you, my family in the pharmaceutical companies were pretty taken aback by the changes in the program. Put lots o' money in their pockets, but my brother was rather surprised at the naked play to their business.

 

[Ikari]

Indeed it does. I used to argue quite vehemently FOR the war. While I have never been a Bush supporter, I did - at one time - feel that the wars after 9/11 were the only thing he did right.

Then I became more educated, especially as new information came to light. The fact that I was misled really kinda pissed me off. I had to eat a lot crow.

I was further down the dark hole than you were. I was a Bush supporter. Voted for him in the primaries and the first election. But alas, he destroyed the GOP for me. Was once a glorious party built on personal responsibility, limited government, and the rights of the individual.