Democrats push to eliminate the debt ceiling, allow unlimited government borrowing

[OrphanSlug]

That is the problem of kicking the can down the road, bureaucrats will continue to spend money that isn't really federal taxpayer responsibility. Too many civics and Constitutionally challenged people here

Irony that you throw out who is challenged when suggesting earlier that spending at 2022 levels avoids the debt ceiling.

 

[bave]

Trust fund repayment will be funded by new debt issuance... it's not a matter of federal revenue. FIT is paying a portion of what's due, and debt issuance pays the remainder.

Do you foresee a situation in the future where debt issuance will no longer be an option? At what point?

 

[Conservative]

Irony that you throw out who is challenged when suggesting earlier that spending at 2022 levels avoids the debt ceiling.

What is irony is how you never post data supporting your claim, what was the 2022 levels EXCLUDING STIMULUS PAYMENTS?

 

[OrphanSlug]

What is irony is how you never post data supporting your claim, what was the 2022 levels EXCLUDING STIMULUS PAYMENTS?

So now you backtrack, got it.

 

[Conservative]

So now you backtrack, got it.

What backtrack? do you even know what it means? Tell me do you support the elimination of the debt ceiling? Stick to the OP and stop the diversion

 

[OrphanSlug]

What backtrack? do you even know what it means? Tell me do you support the elimination of the debt ceiling? Stick to the OP and stop the diversion

Asked and answered, there is no reason for a debt ceiling. All of that is after the fact thinking, that you do not know this is pretty shocking.

 

[Conservative]

Asked and answered, there is no reason for a debt ceiling. All of that is after the fact thinking, that you do not know this is pretty shocking.

So no accountability and more taxpayer dollars spent? Got it. Are you ever going to address the true role of the federal gov't?

 

[OrphanSlug]

So no accountability and more taxpayer dollars spent? Got it. Are you ever going to address the true role of the federal gov't?

For you to suggest that the debt ceiling provides "accountability" suggests a very ignorant view of all the actions by both parties to date, at a minimum it is hypocrisy to suggest this debt ceiling should be different than the last but at worse a total failure of modern US fiscal policy history.

And the "true role" of the federal government is a political opinion, not rooted in anything actually happening today.

 

[Conservative]

For you to suggest that the debt ceiling provides "accountability" suggests a very ignorant view of all the actions by both parties to date, at a minimum it is hypocrisy to suggest this debt ceiling should be different than the last but at worse a total failure of modern US fiscal policy history.

And the "true role" of the federal government is a political opinion, not rooted in anything actually happening today.

Wow, another civics challenged liberal who doesn't have a clue about what our Founders Created. Ignorant view of both parties? There is only one party that promotes more personal responsibility and that isn't the D party. Are both guilty of spending money, YES, but there is only one party that put you more in charge of your finances and that isn't the D Party. So tell me what is ignorant about holding parties accountable to the Constitution? IF it isn't in the Constitution it is a state issue!! A debt ceiling does hold people accountable but the trouble is people like you continue to vote for the same party over and over again never addressing that accountability. Have you asked your Representative why we need a 6.9 TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Wow, another civics challenged liberal who doesn't have a clue about what our Founders Created. Ignorant view of both parties? There is only one party that promotes more personal responsibility and that isn't the D party. Are both guilty of spending money, YES, but there is only one party that put you more in charge of your finances and that isn't the D Party. So tell me what is ignorant about holding parties accountable to the Constitution? IF it isn't in the Constitution it is a state issue!! A debt ceiling does hold people accountable but the trouble is people like you continue to vote for the same party over and over again never addressing that accountability. Have you asked your Representative why we need a 6.9 TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET?

It is always impressive to me how much you rely on trying to insult people, comical actually. What the founders created has changed a bit, various means and to various ends.

All your hysterics aside with bold and so forth, neither Republicans or Democrats look at the "debt ceiling" as an accountability tool. For you to suggest one is better than the other is extremely naive view of how we arrived at this point.

You can cry "state issue" all you want, both Republicans and Democrats took things a new way a very long way back.

We are here now, and you wanting less spending is now a matter of economic impact. Advocate for what you want, ask your Representative if you would like, but where we are now suggests Republicans are playing the "debt ceiling" card because they can, not because they always do but rather usually vote to increase with no fuss and no muss.

The rest of your "personal responsibility" is purely bumper sticker rhetoric.

 

[Kushinator]

Do you foresee a situation in the future where debt issuance will no longer be an option? At what point?

No.

 

[bave]

No.

How do you reach that conclusion? You reach a point where the debt service either becomes impossible (because it is too high, or you have a crisis in confidence related to the issuance), right? You think debt to GDP can just climb infinitely?

 

[Conservative]

It is always impressive to me how much you rely on trying to insult people, comical actually. What the founders created has changed a bit, various means and to various ends.

what hasn't changed are what the Constitution says and what the purpose if of states and local governments, try to focus on that instead of promoting a massive central gov't and your interpretation of the Constitution

All your hysterics aside with bold and so forth, neither Republicans or Democrats look at the "debt ceiling" as an accountability tool. For you to suggest one is better than the other is extremely naive view of how we arrived at this point.

That isn't the point why aren't you holding them accountable for their spending?

You can cry "state issue" all you want, both Republicans and Democrats took things a new way a very long way back.

Tax cuts always put people in control not bureaucrats so tell me what party gives you more of your own money?

We are here now, and you wanting less spending is now a matter of economic impact. Advocate for what you want, ask your Representative if you would like, but where we are now suggests Republicans are playing the "debt ceiling" card because they can, not because they always do but rather usually vote to increase with no fuss and no muss.

The rest of your "personal responsibility" is purely bumper sticker rhetoric.

Has to start somewhere and your acceptance of what politicians say or do seems to be the real problem. Focus should be on state and local not federal taxpayer payments

 

[MTAtech]

Wow, another civics challenged liberal who doesn't have a clue about what our Founders Created. Ignorant view of both parties? There is only one party that promotes more personal responsibility and that isn't the D party. Are both guilty of spending money, YES, but there is only one party that put you more in charge of your finances and that isn't the D Party. So tell me what is ignorant about holding parties accountable to the Constitution? IF it isn't in the Constitution it is a state issue!! A debt ceiling does hold people accountable but the trouble is people like you continue to vote for the same party over and over again never addressing that accountability. Have you asked your Representative why we need a 6.9 TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET?

Ah, personal responsibility. So, I guess that you opposed Trump bailing out the farmers who were hurt by his tariff on China. You must have also opposed Trump pardoning Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and Mike Flynn, who rightfully should have been in-prisoned for the crimes they committed — you know, take personal responsibility.

 

[Conservative]

Ah, personal responsibility. So, I guess that you opposed Trump bailing out the farmers who were hurt by his tariff on China. You must have also opposed Trump pardoning Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and Mike Flynn, who rightfully should have been in-prisoned for the crimes they committed — you know, take personal responsibility.

Bailing out the Farmers was the role of any President when foreign governments destroy their viability. How much did that cost the American people?

Don't give a shit about Roger Stone, Steve Bannon or Mike Flynn as neither have any impact on me, you, your family or mine

Personal responsibility isn't something given to you by ANY PRESIDENT, that is your reality.

 

[OrphanSlug]

what hasn't changed are what the Constitution says and what the purpose if of states and local governments, try to focus on that instead of promoting a massive central gov't and your interpretation of the Constitution

Again, that is your interpretation totally devoid of where we are today and even how we got here.

That isn't the point why aren't you holding them accountable for their spending?

That is the point, the debt ceiling does not hold anyone accountable. The whole thing is a political tool to weaponize at will, otherwise a formality at best.

All you are doing is lying about the intention and realized use of the debt ceiling.

Tax cuts always put people in control not bureaucrats so tell me what party gives you more of your own money?

None, quit pretending "tax cuts" is really about all the people.

Has to start somewhere and your acceptance of what politicians say or do seems to be the real problem. Focus should be on state and local not federal taxpayer payments

Your opinion, nothing more nothing less.

 

[MTAtech]

Bailing out the Farmers was the role of any President when foreign governments destroy their viability. How much did that cost the American people?

Don't give a shit about Roger Stone, Steve Bannon or Mike Flynn as neither have any impact on me, you, your family or mine

Personal responsibility isn't something given to you by ANY PRESIDENT, that is your reality.

First, those foreign governments were retaliating against the tariff Trump placed on them.

Second, how much did it cost?

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Claiming that Republicans are all about personal responsibility and then relieving criminals from accountability for their actions is a clear example of your hypocrisy. Marginalizing what they did because it doesn’t personally matter to you doesn’t make it unimportant.

 

[Conservative]

Again, that is your interpretation totally devoid of where we are today and even how we got here.

I know how we got here, politicians used their power and spending authority to create dependence and career positions.

That is the point, the debt ceiling does not hold anyone accountable. The whole thing is a political tool to weaponize at will, otherwise a formality at best.

The Present is irrelevant why aren't you holding your respresenative accountable

All you are doing is lying about the intention and realized use of the debt ceiling.

What lie, what was the purpose of the debt ceiling?

None, quit pretending "tax cuts" is really about all the people.

Really? so allowing you to keep more of what you earn isn't about your ability to take care of your family>

Your opinion, nothing more nothing less.

Yes as is yours, mine however is based upon history, civics, and the Constitution

 

[Kushinator]

You think debt to GDP can just climb infinitely?

Debt to GDP had fallen every single quarter in 2022, and is well off it's Q2 2020 relative maximum.

I can see the largest economic power and world's reserve currency easily being able to exceed 200% in times of great crisis.

 

[Kushinator]

Yes as is yours, mine however is based upon history, civics, and the Constitution

Your opinion is derived from pure ignorance, partisanship, and anger.

 

[bave]

Debt to GDP had fallen every single quarter in 2022, and is well off it's Q2 2020 relative maximum.

I can see the largest economic power and world's reserve currency easily being able to exceed 200% in times of great crisis.

Fair opinion, I hope you are right.

 

[Conservative]

First, those foreign governments were retaliating against the tariff Trump placed on them.

Second, how much did it cost?

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Claiming that Republicans are all about personal responsibility and then relieving criminals from accountability for their actions is a clear example of your hypocrisy. Marginalizing what they did because it doesn’t personally matter to you doesn’t make it unimportant.

Allowing you to keep more of what you earn puts you in control of your own finances and personal responsibility issues. You always focus on what you cannot control and ignore what you can control. Trump gave you a tax rate cut but you refuse to acknowledge that reality and further ignore what Biden has done with his policies destroying the value of that cut which the high inflation his policies generated. It is you that decided to live in a high taxed state that previously were fully deductible, none of which have anything to do with the operating expenses of the federal gov't thus you paying less than others without those taxes paid

Now you want to focus on legal issues that don't affect you at all. My suggestion remains, focus on what you can control and quit bitching about that which you cannot

 

[Kushinator]

Allowing you to keep more of what you earn

Uh huh... in reality it coincided with debt growth exceeding GDP growth every single year. The reality is, had Republicans actually stuck by their platform and cut the deficit via spending reductions, the U.S. economy would have likely teetered into a recession long before 2020. Debt becomes a problem for the right when they lose elections as a means of harming the economy in an attempt to regain power.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I know how we got here, politicians used their power and spending authority to create dependence and career positions.

Great, does not change much.

The Present is irrelevant why aren't you holding your respresenative accountable

You are the one with the issue, I understand modern economics.

What lie, what was the purpose of the debt ceiling?

Debate later on spending approved prior, said another way... a political tool.

Really? so allowing you to keep more of what you earn isn't about your ability to take care of your family>

Try the rhetoric on someone else, we both know who really benefits from "tax cuts" coming from Republicans.

Yes as is yours, mine however is based upon history, civics, and the Constitution

History you are ignoring, civics that is pure political absent reality, and modern times most of which have existed with that Constitution.

 

[ElChupacabra]

It is always impressive to me how much you rely on trying to insult people, comical actually. What the founders created has changed a bit, various means and to various ends.

All your hysterics aside with bold and so forth, neither Republicans or Democrats look at the "debt ceiling" as an accountability tool. For you to suggest one is better than the other is extremely naive view of how we arrived at this point.

You can cry "state issue" all you want, both Republicans and Democrats took things a new way a very long way back.

It's original purpose wasn't intended for that either.

We are here now, and you wanting less spending is now a matter of economic impact. Advocate for what you want, ask your Representative if you would like, but where we are now suggests Republicans are playing the "debt ceiling" card because they can, not because they always do but rather usually vote to increase with no fuss and no muss.

As we saw during the last administration.

The rest of your "personal responsibility" is purely bumper sticker rhetoric.

Yep, it's pabulum.