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Democrats/progressives/liberals, what have you personally done to help refugees?

Democrats/progressives/liberals, what have you personally done to help refugees?


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The Democratic Party successfully battled to make doing so illegal, nor do I have the power of eminent domain for the land.

You live in fairytale land. We had border walls long before Trump stumbled down the escalator.

Besides, Trump said he fixed the border problems with his secret deal with Mexico.

Is he lying? (again?) (still?)
 
That is a clarification you can make. I congratulate you - and for seeing the distinction and the cruelty aspect as well.

I will not criticize anyone who PERSONALLY is being compassion or helpful. I'd feed, render aid and even temporarily house any truly desperate person - particularly a family and children, regardless of circumstance - if they were before me. No exceptions (other than in theory certain violent criminals, for which I would have no problem watching them die hoping that person would get on with dying quicker. Might even help out on that.)

Can you give an example of what you've done? Again, I will not criticize your compassion. I will criticize people who rant and sob that I should be compassionate, while they do NOTHING themselves.

I was blessed with being very hands on helping to resettle a Cuban family, political refugees from Castro's Cuba. He had been a college professor and his 'crime' was teaching concepts the government did not approve of. Thrown into a Cuban prison, his injured foot developed gangrene. They mercifully amputated half the foot with an ax--no anesthesia. Somehow he survived and was eventually released and allowed to leave with his wife and two elementary age children. The U.S. government arranged their transportation to us, but no funding. We arranged housing, solicited donations of furniture and appliances and the folks in our tiny little West Texas redneck town came through like troopers. There was only one other Spanish speaking family in town at that time--Mexican who speak a very different dialect from the pure Castillian Cuban Spanish--but it was enough for them to help tutor English. Juan worked as a Church janitor until he became sufficient proficient in English to move up to something better. With the help of that family, my street Spanish, and our Pastor's French, the family did learn English and thrived. They were ready to be sworn in as citizens immediately upon becoming eligible. The father eventually became a professor again. The son is now a PhD biologist and the daughter has a Masters degree in education.

The other family was a Vietnamese refugee family settled into our neighborhood. We and several others took them under our wing and got them pretty well Americanized within a year. They too have done well though I haven't followed their journey since we left Kansas.

And I couldn't say for sure, but I bet neither one of those families now approves of illegal immigration across our southern border.
 
Fed/Exed a truck load of ladders down towards El Paso to make it easier to get over that invisible Wall Trump promised to build and made Mexico pay for. Here's a picture of the Wall ----->
 
I used to volunteer at a tutoring program for refugee children. Helping them academically, as well as building language skills, confidence and social skills.
 
If you will recall, Democrats raged and went to court to block private financing the wall and otherwise declared it illegal, plus the corporate fascist gzillionaires who own the Internet search engines and info sources banned it. Otherwise we would have contributed significantly.

In other words, you side fought successfully to make it illegal.

You could go down wirh some bricks and mortar. But you don't. Instead you depend on the government to do it. Yet you laugh at liberals for depending on the government to help refugees.

So basically, your answer is "Nothing but ranted on forums and will vote Republican."
 
I was blessed with being very hands on helping to resettle a Cuban family, political refugees from Castro's Cuba. He had been a college professor and his 'crime' was teaching concepts the government did not approve of. Thrown into a Cuban prison, his injured foot developed gangrene. They mercifully amputated half the foot with an ax--no anesthesia. Somehow he survived and was eventually released and allowed to leave with his wife and two elementary age children. The U.S. government arranged their transportation to us, but no funding. We arranged housing, solicited donations of furniture and appliances and the folks in our tiny little West Texas redneck town came through like troopers. There was only one other Spanish speaking family in town at that time--Mexican who speak a very different dialect from the pure Castillian Cuban Spanish--but it was enough for them to help tutor English. Juan worked as a Church janitor until he became sufficient proficient in English to move up to something better. With the help of that family, my street Spanish, and our Pastor's French, the family did learn English and thrived. They were ready to be sworn in as citizens immediately upon becoming eligible. The father eventually became a professor again. The son is now a PhD biologist and the daughter has a Masters degree in education.

The other family was a Vietnamese refugee family settled into our neighborhood. We and several others took them under our wing and got them pretty well Americanized within a year. They too have done well though I haven't followed their journey since we left Kansas.

And I couldn't say for sure, but I bet neither one of those families now approves of illegal immigration across our southern border.

So this is the angle conservatives are going for! "If I helped some migrants in the past, I can oppose the humane treatment of migrants in the present." Kind of like the "I have a black friend" defense for racism.
 
i have voted against a lot of xenophobic cultists, and i plan to continue doing so. in a red state, that should help.
 
MULTIPLE CHOICE - you can pick more than one. This is a PUBLIC poll. No hiding on this one, folks.

The Democratic Party has openly invited desperately and/or endangered poor defenseless person anywhere in the world to come here, promising them "sanctuary" in cities and states they control, declaring we need them and they will be welcomed with compassionate and generous open arms, sharing wealth with them to help them.

Hundreds of thousands already rounded up every dollar they can, selling what little they have leaving nothing to return to, family maybe collectively contributing so one of them or one family can set off on their quest to come to the American Promise Land of the rich white people. They give this money to violent, sadistic, brutal rapist drug cartel "coyotes" - facing every possible hardship.

Maybe millions, maybe tens to hundreds of millions now share the dream created by these Democratic Party promises and are rounding up what little money they can to come here to the Democratic Party's "sanctuaries" for them in the Promise Land of the generous rich white people.

Nearly all Democrats on this forum claim these people are fleeing for their lives from death or terror, ranting and sobbing on their behalf.

So... YOU - your side - invited them here. What are YOU doing for them? I mean YOU personally? Let's find out if there is 1 ounce of truth to any of your non-stop declarations of personal compassion and charity towards foreign refugees. You have hundreds or thousands of hours to spare/waste on this forum and online. Have you spent 1 minute or 1 dollar trying to help even 1 refugee? Sacrificed anything? If so, how?

You really ****ed them up. They're so rattled, they can't even trash up the thread. :lamo
 
So this is the angle conservatives are going for! "If I helped some migrants in the past, I can oppose the humane treatment of migrants in the present." Kind of like the "I have a black friend" defense for racism.

No one is encouraging inhumane of migrants except those encouraging hordes of illegal migrants to come here. Those of you who are encouraging illegal migrants to come are worse than inhumane.
 
No one is encouraging inhumane of migrants.

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It is a damn good thing I wasn't eating or drinking when I read that!!
 
You really ****ed them up. They're so rattled, they can't even trash up the thread. :lamo

It was a troll thread to begin with, used solely to find some alleged personal fault in people he disagrees with.
 
MULTIPLE CHOICE - you can pick more than one. This is a PUBLIC poll. No hiding on this one, folks.

The Democratic Party has openly invited desperately and/or endangered poor defenseless person anywhere in the world to come here, promising them "sanctuary" in cities and states they control, declaring we need them and they will be welcomed with compassionate and generous open arms, sharing wealth with them to help them.

Hundreds of thousands already rounded up every dollar they can, selling what little they have leaving nothing to return to, family maybe collectively contributing so one of them or one family can set off on their quest to come to the American Promise Land of the rich white people. They give this money to violent, sadistic, brutal rapist drug cartel "coyotes" - facing every possible hardship.

Maybe millions, maybe tens to hundreds of millions now share the dream created by these Democratic Party promises and are rounding up what little money they can to come here to the Democratic Party's "sanctuaries" for them in the Promise Land of the generous rich white people.

Nearly all Democrats on this forum claim these people are fleeing for their lives from death or terror, ranting and sobbing on their behalf.

So... YOU - your side - invited them here. What are YOU doing for them? I mean YOU personally? Let's find out if there is 1 ounce of truth to any of your non-stop declarations of personal compassion and charity towards foreign refugees. You have hundreds or thousands of hours to spare/waste on this forum and online. Have you spent 1 minute or 1 dollar trying to help even 1 refugee? Sacrificed anything? If so, how?

Oh good... you caught them all, well done! :roll:
 
MULTIPLE CHOICE - you can pick more than one. This is a PUBLIC poll. No hiding on this one, folks.

The Democratic Party has openly invited desperately and/or endangered poor defenseless person anywhere in the world to come here, promising them "sanctuary" in cities and states they control, declaring we need them and they will be welcomed with compassionate and generous open arms, sharing wealth with them to help them.

Hundreds of thousands already rounded up every dollar they can, selling what little they have leaving nothing to return to, family maybe collectively contributing so one of them or one family can set off on their quest to come to the American Promise Land of the rich white people. They give this money to violent, sadistic, brutal rapist drug cartel "coyotes" - facing every possible hardship.

Maybe millions, maybe tens to hundreds of millions now share the dream created by these Democratic Party promises and are rounding up what little money they can to come here to the Democratic Party's "sanctuaries" for them in the Promise Land of the generous rich white people.

Nearly all Democrats on this forum claim these people are fleeing for their lives from death or terror, ranting and sobbing on their behalf.

So... YOU - your side - invited them here. What are YOU doing for them? I mean YOU personally? Let's find out if there is 1 ounce of truth to any of your non-stop declarations of personal compassion and charity towards foreign refugees. You have hundreds or thousands of hours to spare/waste on this forum and online. Have you spent 1 minute or 1 dollar trying to help even 1 refugee? Sacrificed anything? If so, how?

Even though the circumstances aren't identical to your OP involving American liberals & central American refugees, this video gives you a pretty good idea of how liberals minds work. They all agree initially to house a needy migrant in search of shelter, then immediately back out when faced with actually living up to their word.



There are doers, and then there are talkers, and most liberals are talkers. The majority of charity that migrants receive comes from Christian organizations.
 
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It is a damn good thing I wasn't eating or drinking when I read that!!

Isn't it against forum rules to take things out of context and make them look like something other than what was said.
 
So the purpose of this thread is to find someone to personally criticize?

As I said before one does not have to make a personal sacrifice - physical or financial hardship - in order to be an earnest supporter of compassionate use of community resources. It is nice to at least volunteer some time, provided one has some to spare, but also not a requirement. people who 'rant and sob' are trying to lobby the authorities - who are often much better equipped than civic organizations and community groups and especially individuals - to do something on their behalf as constituents and taxpayers. This is not a a difficult proposition. It is the way much of the world works and certainly the way a lot of social programs are decided.

The "Well what have you done?" comeback is not an argument, it's a stunt. It's a logical fallacy designed to deflect attention from the argument itself onto an individual to discredit them. Just another logical fallacy.
Taxation doesn't impact people equally. Nor do problems associated with illegal immigration (e.g. overcrowding, gangs, foreign nationalism, policing, homelessness, burdens on social services, etc.).

It's easy to imagine, therefore, that the passionate advocate for illegal immigrants can afford his compassion because his tax burden is light and his personal exposure to the problems is minimal. Having him come on and demonstrate that, no, he is willing to put in the hours, he does put himself face-to-face with the grime and the poverty, he has personally contended with the hazards of dealing with the indigent, and his sacrifice is not small, goes a long way to proving to others that his compassion is deep and self-sacrificing, not merely the self-righteousness afforded to him by ignorance and convenience.
 
It was a troll thread to begin with, used solely to find some alleged personal fault in people he disagrees with.

Not in the slightest. It is a very legitimate question.

Remember, nearly 50% of Americans pay NO income taxes. So of those saying this is a function of taxes so they do nothing - are really stating they do nothing for refugees and intend to do nothing. They morally demand I pay for their morality, while their own conduct is pure amorality towards their own moralistic ranting and demands.

What have you done personally, if anything, for immigrant refugees? If nothing, just say so. :roll:
 
Taxation doesn't impact people equally. Nor do problems associated with illegal immigration (e.g. overcrowding, gangs, foreign nationalism, policing, homelessness, burdens on social services, etc.).

It's easy to imagine, therefore, that the passionate advocate for illegal immigrants can afford his compassion because his tax burden is light and his personal exposure to the problems is minimal. Having him come on and demonstrate that, no, he is willing to put in the hours, he does put himself face-to-face with the grime and the poverty, he has personally contended with the hazards of dealing with the indigent, and his sacrifice is not small, goes a long way to proving to others that his compassion is deep and self-sacrificing, not merely the self-righteousness afforded to him by ignorance and convenience.

Nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax, so the claim they do so thru taxes and want it done thru taxes is declaring they intend to do absolutely nothing.

What is interesting is all the efforts to try to divert from answering a VERY SIMPLE poll question. We know why, don't we?
 
As a typical liberal i believe my tax dollars should be used to handle this situation. There is/was a system to handle the asylum seekers that worked pretty well before Trump.

My thoughts are the whole Trump Immigration Wall Roundup etc is just a political stunt to rope in the deplorables.

If they really wanted to do something about illegal immigration they would go after those hiring them. Hell congress could at least make E Verify mandatory. But they (The Republicans in Congress) won't do it. They know their donor base wants that cheap labor here.

The whole immigration thing is a.political stunt. A scam on you deplorables. Republicans will never cut off that supply of cheap labor.

Since nearly 50% of Americans pay NO federal income tax - how much do you pay in income taxes?

Why not answer the poll? It's not a difficult poll to answer.
 
Even though the circumstances aren't identical to your OP involving American liberals & central American refugees, this video gives you a pretty good idea of how liberals minds work. They all agree initially to house a needy migrant in search of shelter, then immediately back out when faced with actually living up to their word.



There are doers, and then there are talkers, and most liberals are talkers. The majority of charity that migrants receive comes from Christian organizations.


Yes, organisations. And those Christian organisations pool resources so individuals don't have to put people up on their living room floor. Some probably do anyway, but from the right wing who are quite happy to see those who give migrants water arrested and convicted (and for those migrants to therefor die of thirst in the desert) it's a bit rich demanding anyone who show's any sympathy hand over their hearth and home. They are in no position to set the minimum requirement for what is charitable.
 
Not in the slightest. It is a very legitimate question.

Remember, nearly 50% of Americans pay NO income taxes. So of those saying this is a function of taxes so they do nothing - are really stating they do nothing for refugees and intend to do nothing. They morally demand I pay for their morality, while their own conduct is pure amorality towards their own moralistic ranting and demands.

What have you done personally, if anything, for immigrant refugees? If nothing, just say so. :roll:

I placed four items on the list including 'other'. That 'other' is my job, which to an extent involves helping migrants and refugees.

I will not post 'specifics' of any of this because I am selective about the amount of personal information I share in the internet. Especially on forums like these and in threads like these where is often used a stick to beat me with by people who are looking for anything they can use as ammunition in personal fights. thios should not be a personal matter which is why I object to the trollish tone of the poll and the OP to begin with.

It is not a 'very simple' poll question: it's fishing - or perhaps phishing - for things to make ad-hominem attacks about and demanding some personal details of people.

I will also state again that whatever else we do, whether on your list or not, matters if I or anyone chooses to support candidates and policies that are compassionate or forgiving toward migrants, which frankly should also be on the list because I do that as well. By allowing part of our tax dollar to be spent that way we feel we are contributing.

Now make sure the response does not reference me at all and we can have a discussion.
 
It was a troll thread to begin with, used solely to find some alleged personal fault in people he disagrees with.

It's a fair question and anyone who isn't talking out of their ass should be able to anseer it, easily.
 
You live in fairytale land. We had border walls long before Trump stumbled down the escalator.

Besides, Trump said he fixed the border problems with his secret deal with Mexico.

Is he lying? (again?) (still?)

No, Mexico promised to send 6,000 National Guard to the Guatemala border, just as soon as they create, fund, recruit and train a National Guard.
 
I have been a co-sponsor for three refugee families and have spent about $16,000 CAN doing so. I have taught and tutored refugee children in various subjects. Two of the families spent short stays (about 30-40 days) living in my home until low-cost housing became available for them.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
I placed four items on the list including 'other'. That 'other' is my job, which to an extent involves helping migrants and refugees.

I will not post 'specifics' of any of this because I am selective about the amount of personal information I share in the internet. Especially on forums like these and in threads like these where is often used a stick to beat me with by people who are looking for anything they can use as ammunition in personal fights. thios should not be a personal matter which is why I object to the trollish tone of the poll and the OP to begin with.

It is not a 'very simple' poll question: it's fishing - or perhaps phishing - for things to make ad-hominem attacks about and demanding some personal details of people.

I will also state again that whatever else we do, whether on your list or not, matters if I or anyone chooses to support candidates and policies that are compassionate or forgiving toward migrants, which frankly should also be on the list because I do that as well. By allowing part of our tax dollar to be spent that way we feel we are contributing.

Now make sure the response does not reference me at all and we can have a discussion.

You don't have to tell anything about yourself you don't want to, nor did I demand any "personal" information.

Half of Americans don't pay taxes, so unless they are otherwise contributing they are doing nothing. But even for those who do pay taxes, nothing prohibits doing anything personally - and by not doing anything personally they are showing no more compassion than people who pay taxes who truly hate illegal migrants for any reason, no more compassion than the so-called KKKers who pay taxes. Same level of functional compassion.
 
Nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax, so the claim they do so thru taxes and want it done thru taxes is declaring they intend to do absolutely nothing.

What is interesting is all the efforts to try to divert from answering a VERY SIMPLE poll question. We know why, don't we?
I understand @uptower's argument in the sense that "Would you take care of an incontinent old man?" isn't a legitimate argument for killing off the elderly, "Would you adopt a Down's Syndrome baby?" isn't a legitimate argument to abort Down's Syndrome babies, etc. We live in communities and societies precisely so that we can share these burdens and benefit from specialization of labour.

Hence the question you're asking is unfair in a sense.

The question you should be asking is whether progressives' charity and charity-by-proxy is sustainable. That is, by helping refugees, are we not piling more and more people onto a boat already overwhelmed and sinking?

This is where the progressive argument truly falls apart, because every legitimate study ever done on the subject tells us that first-generation (and to a lesser degree, second-generation) refugees are expensive, burdensome, disruptive, slow to assimilate, and something America especially can't endure, much less sustain. The only counterargument I've seen progressives raise against this is, "Well, America can't sustain x, y, z either," which, while often true, isn't a logically valid counterargument. It's the very same tu quoque fallacy from @uptower's link.
 
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