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What is borderline insanity is expecting to pull up to a filling station and fill up your car, truck, airplane, ambulance, fire truck, tank, SP artillery platform or anything else that uses petroleum and expect it to be there when you refuse to allow exploration and drilling for the resource. The ME was placed under the allies winners control of WWI and WWII to assure the oil would be there if necessary to fuel an army in Europe. As it turned out America's apatite for oil outpaced our willingness to explore and develop our own reserves to fuel our own country. Yesterday, today and tomorrow we imported 20,000,000 barrels of oil each day to meet the need to fuel our stuff... Line those barrels up for a couple weeks and Kansas would be covered with barrels. You simply ignore reality... the light comes on at two AM when you open the fridge for a drink of water and if it don't come on you say "they" better fix this fast because I like my light to come on every time I want anything! Well azzhole "they" are the soldiers who cause the free flow of oil that the liberals won't allow to be produced domestically... the trial lawyers, the environmentalists the bleeding heart emotional liberals that think oh, we could just go green tomorrow and everything would be just fine and the light would come on at two AM. You are so hopelessly full of crap it is no wonder your brain doesn't recognize reality, the reality that Kansas would be covered by the empty barrels not sent from the ME and our friends in Venezuela to make it come on. Have you not lived through the OPEC embargo gas rationing and the Prez Carter administration or read history about the event? Are you gullible enough to think we could put up solar panels and make fuel from corn to replace the ME and Venezuela oil we import? Ignorance of "they" better fix this or I'll vote someone in who will fix this makes me want to puke. Oil is not a problem until it is a problem, when it is cheap we use the hell out of it and when it is expensive we bitch and use the hell out of it... liberals and conservatives alike demand the right to ride around alone in their living room size truck or SUV because it makes us feel safer than a 1200 pound car... we measure status in liters and horsepower and the more the better... if you have 280 horse power under the hood would you support the farmer to feed your 280 horses or tell him producing horse food pollutes the environment so you will buy your feed from the ME and Venezuela and if anything effects the delivery of that fuel you will, one fire the politician responsible and two send soldiers to fix the "they" that interrupts you light coming on when you want it to. Oh, you say the Democrats encourage alternative energy and green environmentally friendly ways of living... bull f**l<ing sh!t! They were in power in congress and the prez for decades and did nothing but smile as the ME/Venezuela imports rose as they supported trial lawyers and environmentalist that put big oil in its place... No fuel standards no weight or size of vehicles restrictions, no government example of green works better than ME/Venezuela imports just smiles with a wink that if the supply is interrupted we will send some aircraft carriers and soldiers to our "NATIONAL INTERESTS" so "they" will not interrupt the flow of oil.
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Can you offer a reason outside of politics that the DP would desire Bush to lose in Iraq? Oh, we all hate the loss of the service members but a change in political party will not change a thing... we are still missing the oil that would litter Kansas with empty barrels in a couple weeks and if the DP doesn't have a policy that keeps it flowing or creates an alternative to not make it noticeable they will be fired in a heartbeat. It is unanimous, liberals, conservatives and independents alike that "they" better not cause anything that puts me in a line at the gas pump where someone cuts in front of me, because if that happens I'll be really pissed off.
The poll is black and white... the DP will or will not support the law they helped enact... yes, war is equal to law like a woman's right to choose. The legislation they voted on was serious, it caused the expenditure of billions of tax dollars and the deaths of over 3,000 service members and of course the injuries and the civilian casualties... these elected officials are not stupid they know what war choice causes. The poll question is simple as the issue will the DP support the legislation they helped to put into law or not? The issue they helped to pass resulted in dead and injured citizens and non citizens for a purpose they considered in the best interest of the US government. If two of the people killed were your parents then possibly you would like to hold them accountable for your parents dieing for nothing, which will be the result if anything less than victory is acceptable.
I DO NOT THINK that doncha is a word Iriemon.
I do think that the Left is making this a PC war and that is screwing up the ability to achive objectives, just like in Vietnam and Korea. Compassion will just get us in a more difficult problem later unfortunately.
Duh, how could a war fail if every member of the Congress of the US desired victory? We have a military with superior power, a government that can fund better than those that oppose peace and we have the power to influence all neighbors... there is no way to lose other than for part of the government and the American people to not want to win.
A. Calling other members of the forum "azzhole" is a good way to get banned!
A. Calling other members "hopelessly full of crap" is a good way to get banned!
Well.. Go puke.... But you trying to put words in my mouth is going to make me puke on you. I never made this statement, its one that you made up in your own mind, and now you have convinced yourself that I said it.
Wow... look at this unnecessary rant.... What was the point of this again? Oh, thats right, its a build up to another one of my responses farther down.
And yet, fuel prices were low and were only raising on par with inflation.. :doh(And im NOT talking about under Jimmy Carter, but the rest of the 80s and 90s)
Sounds like a brutal Empire to me... :roll:
Sounds like the building of an Empire to me... :roll:
Sick of empire building? Sick of killing our men and women for oil maybe? I mean, if the purpose of our military is to acquire oil resources, we SHOULD have a draft then. Everyone should be forced to share the sacrifice of life for lower oil prices!!! Absolutely! That sounds fair!!!
Im sorry, But I will walk on my own two feet everywhere I go before I DEMAND that someone else give their life up so that I can have affordable oil. This is the most ridiculous drivel I have ever heard from a conservative.
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I went back several pages and did not see them.....
I'm in the no blood for oil group, are you stupid or just slow? The point is there are people in the splinters of the DP that refuse nuclear power, they want to tear down Hoover Dam so the fish can swim upstream, they say windmills kill birds, solar panels are ugly and don't meet zoning requirements, no oil refineries in my hood, no drilling on the off shore or Alaska because of the possibility of a environmental disaster and support all the trial lawyers to make it happen while not protesting the import of foreign oil.
Allow me to be PC and say persons that support the above and don't protest foreign oil imports share the responsibility for the dead soldiers in the Gulf war. If you, your family, friends and enemies supported those splinter groups that caused the import then you helped kill the soldiers to secure a supply of oil.
It is nothing to do with the oil industry, it is all to do about reality that America cannot function on its current demand for oil without the current supply. Again, you speak only from emotions, what do you think the military fought over in the ME in WWI and WWII?
Please forgive me but I thought it had more impact than to say you were delusional or filled to the brim with misinformation.
Show me where you protested imported oil or wrote letters to congress or executive branch begging for alternatives to imported oil. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.
Again, you are either part of the solution or are part of the problem. Few people vote in America but let a line form at a gas station and see how many citizens want representation... They will not forgive any elected representative for causing the line. If you block oil drilling in America and do not create a replacement for the demand then you are at fault. MSNBC reported today that the Iraq War may cost two trillion dollars before it is finished but MSNBC did not report that the Democratic Party or other party has committed two trillion dollars to make America independent from foreign oil. Why should the first sound worse than the latter?
The exact point is that if lines form on gas stations politicians will not be able to back paddle fast enough to say in office...
Saddam desired an empire as king of ME oil and now the leadership of Iran desires the same Empire... America desires free flow of oil because the American citizens refuse to demand we create our own oil or alternatives to replace it. We have no grand plan to own the sandbox because the sandbox has only one redeeming value and that is oil.
Agreed 100%
If every American would share your resolve the airlines would fall first followed by every free market enterprise in America... Hard to make a profit at the mall when everyone has to walk, hard to sell pizzas when everyone has to walk, hard to go to the hospital when everyone has to walk, hard to wait for a policeman when someone is stealing your last food when the police have to walk and it is hard to pay those people when everyone has to walk. America cannot function without those 20,000,000 barrels of imported oil, we couldn't function even if each citizen rode a moped to the places we need to go to to keep the economy functioning. Oil is our ME national interests. We don't lust for their women nor get hot for their butts sticking up in the air as they pray... they have no redeeming value and would not be missed if they all died tomorrow... the only value or national interest we have in the ME is oil. Oil has caused all the hate for America and the west along with Israel because as I said there is absolutely no interest in the ME outside of oil... you have to live under a rock to consider we value ME people's rights more than those of Darfur. Don't be dumb in public and think you would walk America into anarchy... you and neighbors would demand they die each and every one of them if they place you on your black leather Cadillac’s or Nike sneakers while not allowing a reasonable supply of oil. Be honest and say I refuse to allow drilling off shore and in the pristine Alaska wildlife reserve, I refuse to harm or even possibly harm an endangered species in a venture for domestic oil, no nukes in my backyard, no refineries either, windmills suck and I will not support a politician that would spend the same money on alternative energy that Bush has spent on Iraq. Be honest you soldier dispatching for oil demand hypocrite.
According to your increasingly isolated leader this war is not about oil so where do you get your info from? Are you saying the President is lying to us and that it is more about oil than the spreading of Democracy that made the Iraqis greet us as liberators?
America's interests in the ME is oil and Israel. Our most recent interest in the ME is that the ME terrorists be constrained as to not attack America. The Gulf War was about oil and the dictator Saddam was left in place for all the reasons we face today. After 9-11 reason and logic smacked Prez Bush in the face and advised this policy of propping up dictators is creating terrorists... some ME folks think we use the dictators like puppets so they convince young people to fly planes into our buildings... So, applying logic and reason Prez Bush said hey, how about if we don't prop up a dictator and allow the people to be represented in a democracy and then maybe they wouldn't blame America for causing problems in the ME. Prepare the conditions for the people and then step back away from the ME and allow the ME people to pursue happiness.
I really need to check into these radical right wing radio things because I live in Puerto Rico and have never heard even one radio talk show. My opinions are based on my opinions and not those of talking heads. If you find some bizzar then ask why I concluded such thoughts and I'll respond and usually without reference.
It is truly despicable that you regularly write that your fellow Americans want to lose this war and see other Americans killed.
Once again I must emphasize how pathetic it is for ANY American to believe that American's want to LOSE the war and that they want their fellow Americans to be killed.
There is no question that this is true. The key is the nature of the conflict. If iraq had attacked this nation and declared war on the United states this war would be over now because we would have gone in with overwhelming force and wiped the place clean. But when the president has to work to convince the country that war is the answer, it is obviously not and he will be left without support and be doomed to failure.