Democrats must move to the center

[eohrnberger]

Soros! Soros! Soros! I'm not going to bother. You don't control the narrative nor the world.

I'm reading 'ostrich with head in sand here'.

The bad things that are happening I'm talking about are related to the collapse of the habitability of the planet. Covid-19 is said to be a preview. We can't destroy nature and expect there to be no consequences, just as you can't have your knee on people's neck and expect there to be no consequences.

I'm not one inclined to panic at chicken littles running around claiming the sky is falling'.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Climate scientists were wrong before. They may very well be wrong again now. Their track record isn't so great as to bet the farm on it.

Over the 4.5B years of the Earth's existence, it's gone from a molten ball, to a tropical paradise, to a snowball Earth, to again a tropical paradise, at least 4 major extinction events, all before humans evolved. The Earth shrugs off man's contribution to much of anything.

 

[Antiwar]

Gee, if only the right had some billionaires to donate to them.

Citizens United, Koch brothers (right-libertarians buying government), etc.

 

[skeptic llc]

Citizens United, Koch brothers (right-libertarians buying government), etc.

No, none of that, they are just impoverished Joe Sixpacks. All the big money is against them, in the form of the one politically hostile billionaire donor they can name. Salt of the earth and all that, their donors are just trying to eke out a living.

 

[Antiwar]

I'm reading 'ostrich with head in sand here'.

Read it however you like. I'm not wasting my time on that.

I'm not one inclined to panic at chicken littles running around claiming the sky is falling'.

Sure you are: "Law and order!"

Climate scientists were wrong before. They may very well be wrong again now. Their track record isn't so great as to bet the farm on it.

You don't get to bet the planet on it.

Over the 4.5B years of the Earth's existence, it's gone from a molten ball, to a tropical paradise, to a snowball Earth, to again a tropical paradise, at least 4 major extinction events, all before humans evolved.

You already know that's irrelevant.

The Earth shrugs off man's contribution to much of anything.

Is that your scientific conclusion? The US alone burns hundreds of millions of gallons of fossil fuels every day. That's one big fire burning nonstop every day, adding outrageous quantities of CO2 to the atmosphere, which traps a lot of extra heat, which adds a lot of extra energy. Serious scientists study this. You're not a serious scientist.

We're risking everything. It directly parallels the US starting a nuclear war and hoping for the best. Brilliant, huh?

In 2019, about 142.71 billion gallons (or about 3.40 billion barrels) of finished motor gasoline [**] were consumed in the United States, an average of about 390.98 million gallons (or about 9.31 million barrels) per day.Sep 4, 2020

** Note added by me: That doesn't include diesel fuel.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[Antiwar]

No, none of that, they are just impoverished Joe Sixpacks. All the big money is against them, in the form of the one politically hostile billionaire donor they can name. Salt of the earth and all that, their donors are just trying to eke out a living.

Did you see the profile picture "Follow the Money- The Shocking Deep State Connections to the Anti-Trump Cabal"?

Can you follow dark money?

Who's the senator that spent his questioning period following the connections during the ramrodded SC Justice hearing?

Tomorrow, maybe I'll explore the connections between Trump and the Koch brothers. Maybe see what right-wing think tank proposed a state healthcare plan that's said to be the predecessor to Romneycare, and Obamacare? Hmmm, "free market" healthcare.

 

[uptower]

Dems are already close to the center; it's the repubs that have to move back closer to where they were before Gingrich poisoned them.

 

[Port & Starboard]

The Democrats will never move back towards a moderate form of government regardless of who is president.

It's a new era, and the old school moderate Democrats are dying off, or just being voted out.

 

[jaeger19]

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where has the current GOP gone Right of Reagan and Newt?

Well..Reagan would not have punished blue states with his tax code. The Republicans did.
Reagan supreme court picks vs trumps picks
The absolute hypocrisy of denying a legitimate. nomination because of being too close to the election..
And then ramming through a nominee days vefore an election
Tolerating the presidents behavior.
Letting the Russians interfere in our elections with impunity..much less turning a blind eye to Russia paying bounties for killing us military personnel.
Hells bells..immigration..Reagan legalized undocumented immigrants who were here before 1982.
Should I go on...or have you had enough of reality.?

 

[jaeger19]

1934 NFA
16th amendment
17th Amendment

Lets see..you go back to 1934...but okay...thats the best you can do for hurting america?
And holy crap batman...you think income tax hurt america? Do you really think we could have the military power..the infrastructure and economy with tariffs and duties?
And why in the heck would a supposed libertarian be against the people being able to hold their senators directly accountable
Vs being accountable to a state legislature?

 

[jaeger19]

I think people like you have lied about him for four years

So..you think the trump university was a viable university?
So you think that the trump charity was really on the up and up despite the evidence.?
You think paying off your porn star mistress with campaign funds is moral behavior?
You think telling the proud boys "stand down and stand by" was proper behavior rather than disavowing ghem?
Do you think making fun of a disabled reporter is a sign of a fine human being?
How about using police forces to break up a peaceful protest so he could get a photo op?
The list goes on and on.

 

[jaeger19]

The Democrats will never move back towards a moderate form of government regardless of who is president.

It's a new era, and the old school moderate Democrats are dying off, or just being voted out.

Biden..the democrat nominee is old school moderate dem.

 

[jaeger19]

No she isn't. She's a bubblehead. The really stupid people are the ones who supported her election.

I guess you base her intelligence on her being a lawyer?
I didn't know that becoming a lawyer was so easy that a bubblehead could do it.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Biden..the democrat nominee is old school moderate dem.

Biden is not representative of your current Democrat ran House and Senate by any stretch.

He's might as well be considered a hostage, because shit is about to get real ugly inside his party.

 

[jaeger19]

I guess you base her intelligence on her being a lawyer?

Biden is not representative of your current Democrat ran House and Senate by any stretch.

He's might as well be considered a hostage, because shit is about to get real ugly inside his party.

Actually he is. Its why he won the nomination.
And the only ugliness in the Democrat party might be pressure to not reflect Pelosi as house speaker..

 

[Port & Starboard]

Actually he is. Its why he won the nomination.
And the only ugliness in the Democrat party might be pressure to not reflect Pelosi as house speaker..

The nomination wasn't voted on by the house and senate.

 

[TurtleDude]

I guess you base her intelligence on her being a lawyer?
I didn't know that becoming a lawyer was so easy that a bubblehead could do it.

way too easy

 

[Antiwar]

Biden is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party pick to continue the status quo as much as they can. Harris is the mildly progressive VP pick to try to relieve some pressure being exerted by progressive people. The Democratic Party has been the other corporate, conservative party, just with nicer people than the Republican Party, and some weak socially progressive platforms that try to fool people into believing that they are actually progressive platforms. The Democratic Party is where progressive platforms go to die. 95-plus percent of Democratic politicians are conservatives, conserving the status quo of power in America and the world. "Get your knee off our neck!"

The so-called "radical dems!" aren't radicals, they are a glimpse of what should have been long ago had the right-libertarian and neoconservative nonsensical ideologies not taken over what was once a fairly moderate Republican Party and if the Democratic Party hadn't moved to the right with them. Both parties have overwhelmingly voted for corporate and militarism power. Money and power has controlled American politics, and American politics (and the West or Global North) have dominated the world. "The People" haven't mattered.

The extractive economy has run on cheap labor and cheap polluting energy for centuries. It's brought a lot of technological advances (at the expense of the people and planet that are exploited) that have never aligned with the laws of the natural world. Those are the natural laws that matter, not right-libertarian natural laws.

 

[Logician Man]

really-I doubt she has an IQ anywhere near mine. She certainly isn't over 115 at most

/// She certainly isn't over 115 at most. /// <--- Prove it , or have it dismissed as unproven nonsense.

 

[jotathought]

It's a pipe dream to think Democrats will be more centrist in the upcoming 4 years, especially with the proposals and bills that have been sponsored in the last couple of years: a move to ban fossil fuels, heavily regulated firearm proposals, the green new deal, taxes, free everything, etc. Not a snow ball chance in hell that Democrats will shift this direction.

 

[Antiwar]

It's a pipe dream to think Democrats will be more centrist in the upcoming 4 years, especially with the proposals and bills that have been sponsored in the last couple of years: a move to ban fossil fuels, heavily regulated firearm proposals, the green new deal, taxes, free everything, etc. Not a snow ball chance in hell that Democrats will shift this direction.

Have others ever noticed that "free everything (ridiculous exaggeration)" never applies to militarism? Militarism always gets a free pass. Bombing other countries is somehow freedom. Regime change in other countries is somehow freedom. Hurting and controlling people? No problem, use our income tax money. It's a sick system, making "The People" pay a significant portion of their survival method in the modern world (a job) to support death, destruction, and domination.

The domination model is ending, one way or another. The planet cannot continue supporting it.

 

[jotathought]

Have others ever noticed that "free everything (ridiculous exaggeration)" never applies to militarism? Militarism always gets a free pass. Bombing other countries is somehow freedom. Regime change in other countries is somehow freedom. Hurting and controlling people? No problem, use our income tax money. It's a sick system, making "The People" pay a significant portion of their survival method in the modern world (a job) to support death, destruction, and domination.

The domination model is ending, one way or another. The planet cannot continue supporting it.

What your post is missing is that only a portion of "The People" are contributing .. right at 50%. The other 50% contribute nothing to income tax revenue, and only act as leeches to suck off the government tit.

 

[Antiwar]

Look at all of the conservative commenters trying control the narrative by saying the other corporate party (Democratic) needs to move toward the ultraconservative corporate party (Republican). "The center."

 

[Antiwar]

What your post is missing is that only a portion of "The People" are contributing .. right at 50%. The other 50% contribute nothing to income tax revenue, and only act as leeches to suck off the government tit.

True (to a degree), but framed in a way to blame "The People" instead of placing the blame where it belongs- with the wealth extractors.

 

[Antiwar]

The bad parts of (captured) US government "suck on the teets" of "The People" and "The People" that are scraping by doing "essential jobs" are blamed for wanting a halfway decent life.

"How dare them! Wanting tax money to go toward helping people!"

 

[jaeger19]

Did ObamaCare take away health insurance plans that people had, and many wanted to keep, ones they could afford, and force them into higher cost ObamaCare plans?

Because, if there was a better deal to be had through ObamaCare, where was the near 100% participation that you'd expect? A better deal causes people to beat a path to your door. Didn't happen. ObamaCare must not have been such a good deal after all.



Rather than the eventual forcing everyone off of their employer supported plans and onto the one size fits all government plan, I'm talking about a smaller plan which would only address the needs of those that don't have an employer based plan as an option. I'd couple that with some incentive mechanism to encourage businesses to expand their group plans to include as many of their workforce as possible, offering up as many options in plans practical.

The goal would be that 100% of the nation's workforce be covered by employee based plans, and the government could step away from corrupting the health insurance market. 100% of the workforce (or as near as practical / possible) would have health insurance coverage. Isn't that the goal for all this anyway? Use the free market's strengths, innovation and cost control at the same time, rather than turning over 20% of the economy and the entire nation's health care to a nameless, faceless unaccountable and corrupt DC government bureaucracy. And I'm supposed to trust that DC government bureaucracy with my healthcare? Umm. No.

Yep..if you had a catastrophic plan..you lost that plan..
Which were a tiny percentage of people which is why that overall the number of people who had insurance went dramatically up under obamacare
Obamacare was a better deal which is why more Americans than ever before had insurance.
You'd think that if obamacare was such a terrible deal fewer people would have insurance as..according to you..people were priced out. But instead more people had insurance.
You realize that obamacare didn't force people off employer plans right. That obamacare works by using private plans in exchanges to encourage lower prices through competition.
It also subsidizes those who can't completely afford the full cost of insurance..and for the working poor that can't afford insurance period..it expanded Medicaid.
Its exactly what you are proposing.
Why wasn't there 100 percent people being covered..which is called universal Healthcare by the way.
The reason is because obamacare allowed states to decide whether they wanted expanded medicaid..and some states didnt..so their populations remained without insurance.
And their are still some people that realize that if they dont have insurance but get really hurt or sick..that the medical system still has to treat them. And if they do get a bill..they can declare bankruptcy and have it forgiven