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Democrats have votes to hold 2 White House officials in contempt

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Let's see the report where he says "monarchical notions of prerogatives," and that he believes that the Executive should have the power of monarchs.
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Unfortunately, I can't find the actual report online. You can go to a library and get it though. Here is what was discussed on Bill Moyer's Journal:

BILL MOYERS: Yeah. The minority report of that congressional committee said, quote, the chief executive will on occasion feel duty-bound to assert monarchical notions of prerogative that will permit him to exceed the laws. The leading advocate in Congress of that particular-

BILL MOYERS: --position and sentence was--

CHARLES FRIED: Dick Cheney, yes.

BILL MOYERS: He's saying that the president--is a monarchy.

CHARLES FRIED: And- here is where I would fault that statement. But I would fault it because it's nothing that should be asserted as a legal proposition. It's something that has to be acknowledged as a fact of life. Lincoln did. Roosevelt did. And if you put it into a legal opinion, it becomes a precedent.

FRITZ SCHWARZ: It becomes a loaded pistol.

CHARLES FRIED: Becomes a loaded pistol which lies about for anyone to use. And if you then endorse it as a legal principle, it's very dangerous. But as a reality, it has happened, has always happened. Let me give you a--

BILL MOYERS: Well, as a political, I don't think Cheney-- who knows what he meant. But I don't think he meant it legally. I think he meant it politically that you do not--

CHARLES FRIED: But then he should have shut up about it.

BILL MOYERS: Well, but--

CHARLES FRIED: And just done it.

FRITZ SCHWARZ: And, of course, he resaid it after in 2002 or 2003. He said, if you want to understand my views, go back and look at what I said and what David Addington who works for me helped me say--

BILL MOYERS: He did--

FRITZ SCHWARZ: --in that Iran-Contra report.

CHARLES FRIED: --big mistake. Big mistake.
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Bill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS

Charles Fried was the Solicitor General at the time of Iran-Contra. He doesn't deny Bill Moyer's quote.
 
I am surprised how fast this thread made it to 100 votes. How did it get there? The usual way, with 2 sides bashing each other, but with all that bashing, there is one point that has been completely overlooked, so let me bring it up again?

What do you think about Sensenbrenner's idea? To me, it looks like something that Republicans and Democrats alike can get on the same page with. However, like this forum, Congress is also divided into 2 camps, and like this forum, no compromise, even a good one like Sensenbrenner's, will be considered. Finally, like this forum, members of Congress will continue to talk past each other instead of getting together and doing the people's business.
 
TheNextEra said:
More like the RepubliCONs abuse of power.
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The new neo-prog view of the constitution, the executive branch exercising it's constitutional authority is an abuse of power.
 
Stinger said:
The new neo-prog view of the constitution, the executive branch exercising it's constitutional authority is an abuse of power.
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What's the matter? Is "liberal" not a bad word anymore? Neo-prog? Is that the best you can come up with? Weak. All hail King George II!!!
 
Stinger said:
The liberals sure seem to hate it.



Versus neo-con?



Like neo-con?



Whatever jerks your chain.
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Another outstanding post! Water is wet.
 
Stinger said:
Another meaningless post. Why didn't respond to what I posted?
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Call me a neo-indy if you want. I object to the neo-con's view that breaking the law is exercising executive power. It turns the office of president into a monarchy. God save the queen!
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Call me a neo-indy if you want. I object to the neo-con's view that breaking the law is exercising executive power. It turns the office of president into a monarchy. God save the queen!
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How does exercising his constitutional authority turn the office into a monarchy? As I said the neo-prog view is now when the President does what he is clearly and explicitly authorized to do he is acting like a king.


"Independent" has to do with party affiliation not political philosophy. I am an independent also but our political philosophies are way apart. You should learn the difference.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Unfortunately, I can't find the actual report online. You can go to a library and get it though. Here is what was discussed on Bill Moyer's Journal:



Bill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS

Charles Fried was the Solicitor General at the time of Iran-Contra. He doesn't deny Bill Moyer's quote.
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Sorry I don't take anything Moyers says at face value, who knows if Fried was just ignorant of the report in question and couldn't respond properly because of that, if he did say it I want to see the context because like I said Moyers is a hack and completely FOS.
 
Stinger said:
How does exercising his constitutional authority turn the office into a monarchy? As I said the neo-prog view is now when the President does what he is clearly and explicitly authorized to do he is acting like a king.
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When the president is above the law is when he becomes king.

Stinger said:
"Independent" has to do with party affiliation not political philosophy. I am an independent also but our political philosophies are way apart. You should learn the difference.
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Independent isn't a party. Our differences are indicative of our independent status. We don't have to believe the same things. That's what independent means. Our beliefs aren't dependent on each other.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Sorry I don't take anything Moyers says at face value, who knows if Fried was just ignorant of the report in question and couldn't respond properly because of that, if he did say it I want to see the context because like I said Moyers is a hack and completely FOS.
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I gave you the link. Read it. Or perhaps you can catch it on PBS. They have that in Tampa, right?

How is Moyer a hack?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
When the president is above the law is when he becomes king.
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Ok, so what are you saying, when the President exercising his constitutional authority he is putting himself above the law? That's absurd.



Independent isn't a party.
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It's not a party. But it is not a political philosophy or position either.

Our differences are indicative of our independent status. We don't have to believe the same things. That's what independent means. Our beliefs aren't dependent on each other.
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That's what I said.
 
Stinger said:
Ok, so what are you saying, when the President exercising his constitutional authority he is putting himself above the law? That's absurd.
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No, when he breaks the law. For example, spying on Americans without a warrant, torture, and extraordinary rendition. The Constitution doesn't give him that power. The fact that he thinks that he is not accountable for those actions is what obviously shows that he thinks that he is king.



Stinger said:
It's not a party. But it is not a political philosophy or position either.
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True. You don't need a label to discuss issues. Discuss them on their merits.

Stinger said:
That's what I said.
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It's not, but whatever. Water is still wet.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
It wasn't just Moyers.
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Then let's see the report.



And I am sure that you have evidence of this.:roll:
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Ya his totally biased show. The man's not a journalist he's a hack, if you consider him to be a journalist then you consider Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to be journalists too, if not then you're a hypocrite.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
No, when he breaks the law.
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There was no evidence produced any law was broken, he has the constitutional authority to fire US Attorneys so don't try to shift the argument.

As I said to the neo-progs the President executing his constitutional authority is creating a monarchy.
 
Stinger said:
As I said to the neo-progs the President executing his constitutional authority is creating a monarchy.
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I am glad you agree.:mrgreen:
 
Originally Posted by Stinger
As I said to the neo-progs the President executing his constitutional authority is creating a monarchy.


independent_thinker2002 said:
I am glad you agree.:mrgreen:
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Please explain how you gathered that from my response.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Then let's see the report.
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Go to the Hillsborough County Public Library Cooperative and search:

Report of the congressional committees investigating the Iran-Contra Affair : with supplemental, minority, and additional views.

Bruton Memorial Library [ Plant City ]
302 McLendon Street
813.757.9215

John F. Germany Public Library [ Tampa ]
900 North Ashley Drive
813.273.3652

Temple Terrace Public Library [ Temple Terrace ]
202 Bullard Parkway
813.989.7160

That is the best I can do for you. If you are intellectually honest, you will seek it out. Otherwise, you can keep demanding I provide you with something that isn't on the internet. I have already told you this. The ball is in your court.


Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Ya his totally biased show. The man's not a journalist he's a hack, if you consider him to be a journalist then you consider Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to be journalists too, if not then you're a hypocrite.
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Is this what passes as evidence these days?:roll:
 
Stinger said:
Originally Posted by Stinger
As I said to the neo-progs the President executing his constitutional authority is creating a monarchy.




Please explain how you gathered that from my response.
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Read the bolded sentence very carefully.:mrgreen:

Hint: is creating a monarchy.
 
Stinger said:
Originally Posted by Stinger (Democrats have votes to hold 2 White House officials in contempt)
As I said to the neo-progs the President executing his constitutional authority is creating a monarchy.

Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002
I am glad you agree.:mrgreen:




And how do you project that into me agreeing? Hint: to the neo-progs
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Reading comprehension just isn't your thing. Break down the sentence. "to the neo-pragues" is modifying "As I said". "is creating a monarchy." is modifying "the President executing his constitutional authority" I know what you meant to say. This goes back to manning up and admitting mistakes. Just admit that you are missing a comma after "neo-progs" and the word "not" before "creating". Or you can tell me that water isn't wet. Your choice.
 
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