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Democrats fume as McGahn skips House hearing: 'Our subpoenas are not optional'

No tres, the Senate doesn't vote on impeachment, the House does. Impeachment has already happened, the Senate votes to convict or acquit concerning said articles of impeachment.

The House acts as the grand jury and indicts. The Senate chambers holds the trial and the Senators are the jury. They only vote to convict or acquit, not to impeach.

You should tell the Senate that. They can rescind their votes on the impeachments of Johnson and Clinton.

U.S. Senate: The Senate Votes on a Presidential Impeachment

How the senators voted on impeachment -- February 12, 1999
 
Go away now and try your sincere shtick on someone new here.

I made no mistake.
I'll keep saying this until you concede.
McGahn decided not to appear.
Trump can't make him do anything he didn't want to do.

Until we meet again... :2wave:

Okay, so I guess your argument now is "Fox News lied when they said it was on the orders of Trump". Got it.

You should have posted this in the Bias in the Media section since you're accusing Fox of lying.
 
And who hasn't? Mueller didn't exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. We all accepted that. It appears that you and Trump didn't accept it, which is why you are mad now that Congress is investigating it. They want to know why Mueller couldn't exonerate him of obstruction. So do patriotic Americans who aren't in love with Trump.


David Horowitz
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Quote of the day capturing the Democrats' position on obstruction: "While we recognize that the man did not actually steal any horses, he is obviously guilty of trying to resist being hanged for it."

12:23 PM - 21 May 2019



:lol:
 
And who hasn't? Mueller didn't exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. We all accepted that. It appears that you and Trump didn't accept it, which is why you are mad now that Congress is investigating it. They want to know why Mueller couldn't exonerate him of obstruction. So do patriotic Americans who aren't in love with Trump.

Yeah, that must be it.
Anyone who doesn't buy what you're selling above must all be wrong, unpatriotic or be madly in love with Trump.
Besides my sons, there's only one man besides my sons who I love, and his name is not Trump.
He is my husband.

Make a note of it, please. :mrgreen:
 
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Quote of the day capturing the Democrats' position on obstruction: "While we recognize that the man did not actually steal any horses, he is obviously guilty of trying to resist being hanged for it."

12:23 PM - 21 May 2019



:lol:

I love it... note I said I love the quote, and not Horowitz. ;)
 
It's The same concept as firing Comey.

Not really.... Comey was an executive appointee, and so it's clearly with the President's Article II power to fire him.

Mueller, on the other hand, was a Justice Department appointee and outside of the scope of the President to fire directly.
 
Yeah, that must be it.
Anyone who doesn't buy what you're selling above must all be wrong, unpatriotic or be madly in love with Trump.
Besides my sons, there's only one man besides my sons who I love, and his name is not Trump.
He is my husband.

Make a note of it. :mrgreen:

I'm not selling anything. It was your link, and you, in your second post in this thread, made it clear that you didn't even read your own link. That's on you, not me.

I'm glad you love your husband. I'm sure he loves you too, as he should.
 
White House aides Hope Hicks and Annie Donaldson have been subpoenaed to appear before Congress.
 
I'm not selling anything. It was your link, and you, in your second post in this thread, made it clear that you didn't even read your own link. That's on you, not me.

I'm glad you love your husband. I'm sure he loves you too, as he should.

I read my link and I also concluded and will continue to assert that Trump did not make McGahn's decision for him as was seriously suggested by YOU, and a few of the other Trump resisters. Learn to read a source for context next time.

Are you done now? :)

:lol:
 
I read my link and I also concluded and will continue to assert that Trump did not make McGahn's decision for him as was seriously suggested by YOU, and a few of the other Trump resisters. Learn to read a source for context next time.

Are you done now? :)

:lol:

So yes, your argument is that Fox News lied, apparently. You should ask them to retract their lie if you are so adamant that what they said was not true.

I'm not a Trump resister. I want to vote against him in 2020, and I will. That isn't resistance. That's called being an American.
 
White House aides Hope Hicks and Annie Donaldson have been subpoenaed to appear before Congress.
That will be interesting.

I just want to point out that this thread was started on a false premise: McGhan not appearing is not the same thing as not testifying about privileged information (which is extremely limited in this circumstance). The conflation is deliberate and deceptive. I doubt any court would support the assertion of he cannot be compelled to testify at all.
 
White House aides Hope Hicks and Annie Donaldson have been subpoenaed to appear before Congress.

What's the definition of insanity?

Do you really think they will appear at the **** show after both having previously given hours of testimony to Mueller?
 
They are investigating. That's what this thread is about. Did you now know that?

The House Leader is Nancy Pelosi. Is the Google button on your computer broken?

What exactly is the House investigating? All I can find is Cummings tossing around subpoenas going back 10 or more years hoping to find something Trump to investigate. There are a few hearings, but again, nothing but hearings.

All I've found so far is show me the man, I'll find you the crime.
 
No tres, the Senate doesn't vote on impeachment, the House does. Impeachment has already happened, the Senate votes to convict or acquit concerning said articles of impeachment.

The House acts as the grand jury and indicts. The Senate chambers holds the trial and the Senators are the jury. They only vote to convict or acquit, not to impeach.

Similar to the British system, Article One of the United States Constitution gives the House of Representatives the sole power of impeachment and the Senate the sole power to try impeachments of officers of the U.S. federal government. It's the Senate that acts as the 'grand jury', not the House.

Process

At the federal level, the impeachment process is a two-step procedure. The House of Representatives must first pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached". Next, the Senate tries the accused. In the case of the impeachment of a president, the Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. For the impeachment of any other official, the Constitution is silent on who shall preside, suggesting that this role falls to the Senate's usual presiding officer, the President of the Senate who is also the Vice President of the United States.

In theory at least, as President of the Senate, the Vice President of the United States could preside over their own impeachment, although legal theories suggest that allowing a defendant to be the judge in their own case would be a blatant conflict of interest. If the Vice President did not preside over an impeachment (of anyone besides the President), the duties would fall to the President pro tempore of the Senate.

To convict an accused, "the concurrence of two thirds of the members present" is required.[35] Conviction removes the defendant from office. Following conviction, the Senate may vote to further punish the individual by barring him or her from holding future federal office, elected or appointed. Conviction by the Senate does not bar criminal prosecution. Even after an accused has left office, it is possible to disqualify the person from future office or from certain emoluments of his prior office (such as a pension). If there is no charge for which a two-thirds majority of the senators present vote "guilty", the defendant is acquitted and no punishment is imposed.
 
So yes, your argument is that Fox News lied, apparently. You should ask them to retract their lie if you are so adamant that what they said was not true.

I'm not a Trump resister. I want to vote against him in 2020, and I will. That isn't resistance. That's called being an American.

If only you were so reasonable and kind to those who voted FOR Trump.
 
David Horowitz
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Quote of the day capturing the Democrats' position on obstruction: "While we recognize that the man did not actually steal any horses, he is obviously guilty of trying to resist being hanged for it."

12:23 PM - 21 May 2019



:lol:

Obviously guilty of meeting with the owner in the Trump Tower to TRY and steal them.

I gather all this stonewalling indicates that they understand that incompetence is not a viable defense - at least not yet.
 
What's the definition of insanity?

Do you really think they will appear at the **** show after both having previously given hours of testimony to Mueller?

According to the US Constitution and the powers and obligations endowed upon the U.S. Congress, they are legally bound BY LAW, to appear when subpoenaed, no matter what.
 
it's a twofer. obvious obstruction from Tweety, and contempt of congress for his crony. this should probably be addressed by a future administration.
 
NO instance, huh? Then you didn't look very hard. This took me about 30 seconds to find. John Dean III served as White House Counsel for United States President Richard Nixon.



Dean was indicted for several counts of obstruction of justice for his role in a specific CRIME that had been committed and for which there was no dispute that it was a crime. He was not subject to subpoena before Congress until he had been indicted and convicted and/or pled guilty. There was no doubt about it that people broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters located in the Watergate Hotel, and strong evidence that the Administration knew about it. John Dean III was identified by the FBI as the master mind behind the cover up and he was indicted--INDICTED--by the FBI on numerous counts of obstruction of justice mainly paying hush money to keep people quiet.

He plea bargained to turn state's evidence in return for him pleading guilty to one count of obstruction of justice and thereby was an important component to the indictment and imprisonment of others on the White House team. He was sentenced to four years in federal prison, but his cooperation with the prosecution was a factor in him serving only four months of that sentence. He was disbarred however and it ended his legal career.

Up to that point there was nothing to tie President Nixon to the Watergate scandal. Even "Deep Throat" couldn't do that. It was John Dean's testimony re the White House tapes and the fact that John Dean had ordered hush money and John Mitchell, Nixon's A.G., had illegally used campaign funds to pay operatives to spy on the Democratic Party which of course was also a crime. That gave the Supreme Court enough ammo to order the White House to release the tapes and the rest, as we say, is history.

Now compare that with the current situation. No crime has been identified by any legal authority related to President Trump or the Executive Branch. ALL indictments related to the Mueller investigation involving people who at one time were on on the President's campaign thus far have been for crimes totally unrelated to the President or the campaign. Or their indictment/guilty plea was due to having been caught making some kind of error or omission of fact and thereby falling into a perjury trap as a result of their testimony to Mueller and/or his team members. IMO and according to several legal minds, all that latter group would NEVER have been charged with anything if Mueller hadn't hoped to bully, threaten, frighten, extort them into divulging some dirt on the President. As it was their names and reputations were dragged through the mud, their friends and family were threatened, and most were bankrupted in the process. It was a nasty, dirty, indefensible, and unacceptable thing to do to any Americans.

And now the hate masters in Congress are hoping beyond hope to find a crime, ANY crime, to pin on the President in advance of the 2020 election and probably get rid of Barr and his special counsel before they expose any malfeasance and misconduct among their own in the FBI and Obama justice department, or Hillary, or possibly Obama himself. At the very least they intend to keep the negative press going and of course the MSM is cooperating with that as are those on social media, message boards and the such who dutifully parrot the assigned talking points.

So far no identifiable or prosecutable crime has presented itself and time is running out for them as the I.G. and the current Justice Dept. closes in on what could be some very damning news for the Democrats, their surrogate media, and their whole I-hate-Trump scene.

McGahn and nobody else on the White House staff, past or present, should be available to them for a fishing expedition in their attempt to complete a coup of a lawfully elected and inaugurated U.S. President they hate.
 
According to the US Constitution and the powers and obligations endowed upon the U.S. Congress, they are legally bound BY LAW, to appear when subpoenaed, no matter what.

You mean like Obama's Holder didn't?
And what happened to him? Shunned in shame? Law license revoked?
Um, what? ;)

It would be one thing if there was NO Mueller report but there is. I suggest the JSC reread the Mueller report. They aren't owed anymore.
 
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What exactly is the House investigating?
It doesn't matter. This is just one in a long line of irrelevancies. Congress can investigate. Defiance of subpoenas is not an option.
 
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