Democrats don't understand what it means to be educated

[Slartibartfast]

That's interesting. Can you explain more?

In this case, the dataset was split into demographics and educational attainment information.

Demographics being stuff like mothers education, fathers education, family salary bins, zip code, etc. Educational data is stuff like attendance, grades, etc.

The labels (also known as targets, endogenous data, etc (this profession is bad with too much terminology)) are for predicting how bins (a, b, c, d, and f) and other targets.

Developing these models is usually pretty basic. You tend to use a correlation table, find the most important data, try it out. Then usually you just write a python function (or use a python package like Keiras, but it’s easier to just write a function) to run though every data combination to find the best items in the dataset (called parameters) and model tuning (called hyperparameters, did I mention that the terminology is stupid in this profession?). Then you test it again a test set using fancy statistics. Pick a few promising models and then see how it reacts to a bigger test set. If good then deploy it. I am oversimplifying, but this is the basic workflow.

 

[BirdinHand]

Uh, no. It's not just my district.

A nation at risk – how gifted, low-income kids are left behind

America’s low-income but high-achieving kids fail to find the necessary resources, and consequently fall behind. This has huge implications for innovation as well as the GDP.

theconversation.com

It’s a systemic problem with HOW our public education is funded.

Wealthy districts in wealthy areas with strong local tax bases far much better than poorer ones.

By design of the current funding system for public education.

 

[BirdinHand]

In this case, the dataset was split into demographics and educational attainment information.

Demographics being stuff like mothers education, fathers education, family salary bins, zip code, etc. Educational data is stuff like attendance, grades, etc.

The labels (also known as targets, endogenous data, etc (this profession is bad with too much terminology)) are for predicting how bins (a, b, c, d, and f) and other targets.

Developing these models is usually pretty basic. You tend to use a correlation table, find the most important data, try it out. Then usually you just write a python function (or use a python package like Keiras, but it’s easier to just write a function) to run though every data combination to find the best items in the dataset (called parameters) and model tuning (called hyperparameters, did I mention that the terminology is stupid in the profession?). Then you test it again a test set using fancy statistics. Pick a few promising models and then see how it reacts to a bigger test set. If good then deploy it. I am oversimplifying, but this is the basic workflow.

Mother’s level of educational attainment tends to be the best indicator of educational attainment and success in students.

It’s quite interesting actually.


Children of women who attain not only a high school diploma but advanced education AND that have their children later in life? Tend to have the best academic outcomes.

 

[BabaVoss]

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Liberals don't study engineering, the sciences, mathematics and many other subjects that require critical thinking and problem solving skills.

Really. Who told you that? Never mind…

Yes, good. Feel the hate.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Mother’s level of educational attainment tends to be the best indicator of educational attainment and success in students.

It’s quite interesting actually.

It was a combination of mothers educational attainment, absences, whether the student had a job or helped to take case of basic family expenses, and historical gpa if I remember correctly.

I would need to look at the code again to remember which model ended up working best, but I think it was a lasso logit based one (which means the model can self adjust a bit if the data changes, even after deployment and is less subject to overtraining, which can make a model brittle to new data).

 

[Paradoxical]

The Liberal's world seems to be collapsing around itself. President Trump has broken them. It couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. (but... but... but... Trump is a Nazi, convicted felon, racist and rapist. And he steals children's allowances! )

Sonny Hostin may have unveiled the real reason why the Democrats lost the election, but she had it all wrong. She recently said on "The View," that "What we did not have is white women, who voted about 52% for Donald Trump – uneducated white women is my understanding."

One of the realities of why the Democrats lost this election in the landslide is thinking they have a monopoly on defining what being "educated" means in America today and here’s the reality of what this word means in America today. Let’s examine this.

click here to read... unless you are triggered by Fox News. If that's the case then here is your binky.

The reason titles are given is so that those with titles can "lord" over those who don't have them. My best friend grew up in a bad home environment and as a result did not finish high school. But he is far smarter than most people here and definitely smarter than anyone on The View, or this idiots in politics like AOC, Schumer. I managed a department decades ago and at that time the job did not require a college degree, but a fair number of applicants had one and couldn't spell the name of the job they applied for and were clueless on logic and common sense. I always hired the person who was honest, had common sense, was eager and didn't try to BS me, degree or not.

 

[Paradoxical]

It’s a systemic problem with HOW our public education is funded.

Wealthy districts in wealthy areas with strong local tax bases far much better than poorer ones.

By design of the current funding system for public education.

And how long has the DOE been in place now?

In any event, it is NOT as money problem. It is a cultural and mindset problem.

In almost every state, funding gaps between rich and poor schools have been closed

The conventional wisdom is that American students from poor families are mostly stuck in sorely underfunded public schools while more affluent families have access to well-resourced ones. For decades, this was largely true.

fordhaminstitute.org

Using newly available school-level spending data that includes funding from all sources in the 2017–18 school year, a new study by a group of education researchers at the University of Delaware and the University of Pennsylvania shows that these changes have finally eliminated the longstanding resource gaps faced by students from low-income families.

In fact, it’s much more common for schools with poorer students to spend more than other schools in the same state, according to these school-level spending and census-based poverty data. Only in Illinois was spending in schools serving poorer students markedly lower than in the wealthier ones, and that state passed school funding reforms in 2017 that are likely closing its gaps, as well. In New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Connecticut, funding for schools serving more low-income students was very slightly lower, but in the rest of the states, school funding is either equal or even higher for the schools serving more low-income students.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Hmmm. I thought that was DEI.

There is a reason for that. You are unwilling or incapable of understanding what DEIA is. Your burden is self imposed.

 

[Risky Thicket]

The reason titles are given is so that those with titles can "lord" over those who don't have them. My best friend grew up in a bad home environment and as a result did not finish high school. But he is far smarter than most people here and definitely smarter than anyone on The View, or this idiots in politics like AOC, Schumer. I managed a department decades ago and at that time the job did not require a college degree, but a fair number of applicants had one and couldn't spell the name of the job they applied for and were clueless on logic and common sense. I always hired the person who was honest, had common sense, was eager and didn't try to BS me, degree or not.

You hired people who had common sense? How did you know?

What was the job that a fair number of applicants couldn't spell the name of the job?

 

[Paradoxical]

You hired people who had common sense? How did you know?

What was the job that a fair number of applicants couldn't spell the name of the job?

It was a very simple job name to spell and if someone can't spell or do basic math that tells me they loafed their way or cheated their way through college, like a Commyla.

 

[BirdinHand]

And how long has the DOE been in place now?

Right around the same time we passed IDEA stating that EVERY child, even the disabled ones, are entitled to a free and appropriate public education.

Because prior to the 70’s we did NOT mandate that disabled children received an education. In fact, largely they were institutionalized and excluded from public education.

 

[BirdinHand]

In fact, it’s much more common for schools with poorer students to spend more than other schools in the same state, according to these school-level spending and census-based poverty data

Because many of those students require additional services provided by the public school.

More needs = greater costs.

It really isn’t hard to understand.

 

[trumptman]

A high school diploma is the baseline of what we anticipate from all members of society - and why we pay, via taxes, to assure that every child in this country no matter what means or circumstances they are born into - attains.

Platitudes are platituding.

It isn’t an achievement to have a high school diploma - it is a minimum expectation.

If a high school diploma isn't an achievement we should go back to adding more rigor there. College has massive and additional costs well beyond what they public pays and doesn't necessarily give that return as evidenced by the student loan crisis well above $1 trillion dollars.

Because as a society, we used to recognize that an educated populace was advantageous to our country.

More platitudes, but I suppose you'll have a point somewhere down the line.

The conversation we should be having, at least in my opinion, is increasing that education to a minimum of associates degree if not bachelor degree levels.

No that is ridiculous. It is doubling down on failure. Costs of education beyond high school have outpaced inflation for decades. We have a trillion dollar crisis that it is claimed arises from the degrees not having enough value to generate a return on those loans. Education for the sake of education isn't the point and it is especially not the point when people are going $50-150k in debt for an art history degree.

Instead, we are faced with a movement that wants to tear apart the very basis of our public education system.

Perhaps the people in that movement, the plumbers, truck drivers, the construction workers and so on don't need a degree to see that they shouldn't be repaying the loans of the "educated" while also having to work to get ahead vs the "undocumented".

It is 2024. The entire world runs on knowledge. And being able to quickly process and adapt to new data, new information, changing circumstances, new theories, etc.

@MSgt has articulated much of this very well.

We live in the information age but also as a consequence of that, we live in the age of misinformation as well. People who dogmatically repeat information without understanding it, or who trust expertise without really having any ability to analyze it are doomed. Organizations, especially news organizations that pretend to run on knowledge and processing new information are instead going broke because they lie about their ability to do their job. Likewise many colleges should go broke because they hand out diplomas but their students really arent' that bright.

"My mortgage broker said this zero down, negative amortization loan at 120% of loan to value so I can remodel and add a pool is just fine. Everyone is doing it and I can refine before the balloon payment." - Lots home owners who bought and listened to their expert realtors, brokers and appraisers along with bond rating agencies, the federal reserve and more around 2005-2007.

How did the "expert" pollsters do last cycle?

 

[Paradoxical]

Right around the same time we passed IDEA stating that EVERY child, even the disabled ones, are entitled to a free and appropriate public education.

Because prior to the 70’s we did NOT mandate that disabled children received an education. In fact, largely they were institutionalized and excluded from public education.

Other than making schools take the disabled, they have failed miserably, just like any government run entity that has been taken over by DEI.

 

[Paradoxical]

Because many of those students require additional services provided by the public school.

More needs = greater costs.

It really isn’t hard to understand.

read as: children of illegal aliens who cannot speak English.

 

[BirdinHand]

Other than making schools take the disabled,

read as: children who cannot speak English.

So…basically “screw those kids”.

Got it.

At least you’ve said the quiet part out loud for once

 

[Paradoxical]

So…basically “screw those kids”.

Got it.

At least you’ve said the quiet part out loud for once

Send them back to Mexico. This is what globalism has wrought.

 

[trumptman]

Because many of those students require additional services provided by the public school.

More needs = greater costs.

It really isn’t hard to understand.

Well what also shouldn't be hard to understand is when you add disproportionate resources, you should get a disproportionate result that closes the gap.

We haven't had that happen in fact by refusing to address the root causes, we've just wasted resources and made sure that those who are at a disadvantage remain at a disadvantage.

We've done the same thing with homelessness. A major contributor to it is drug and alcohol addiction along with a decent chunk of mental illness. We refuse to address any of that and instead hand out EBT cards, free phones and let them camp on sidewalks in tents when they "refuse" shelter because they cannot use drugs, I mean take their pet into the shelter.

 

[BirdinHand]

Well what also shouldn't be hard to understand is when you add disproportionate resources, you should get a disproportionate result that closes the gap.

We haven't had that happen in fact by refusing to address the root causes, we've just wasted resources and made sure that those who are at a disadvantage remain at a disadvantage.

We've done the same thing with homelessness. A major contributor to it is drug and alcohol addiction along with a decent chunk of mental illness. We refuse to address any of that and instead hand out EBT cards, free phones and let them camp on sidewalks in tents when they "refuse" shelter because they cannot use drugs, I mean take their pet into the shelter.

This post reads like more of a grievance than an actual attempt at discussing the topic

 

[BirdinHand]

Send them back to Mexico. This is what globalism has wrought.

ESL =\= automatically being “illegal”

kids don’t ask to cross borders. Legally or otherwise.

And it IS a global world. Denying it or wanting it to be otherwise doesn’t change reality.

As far as I’m concerned, we should be teaching children Spanish and Chinese from early childhood in addition to English. We lag behind the world in language education. Most other developed nations have a strong portion of their population that is minimally bi-lingual.

 

[Peacenik]

Inconvenient fact: The more educated a voter is, the more likely they were to have voted for Kamala Harris.

Silly response: Attempt to redefine the word "educated."

The guilt of the Trump party is showing.

 

[EU MAGA]

This is a great talk by Danish softwear engineer David Heinemeier Hannson about unlearning your MBA.
. He basically says your MBA is a waste of time. About 100% of his time was wasted. It actually damages you because your worldview is warped by useless theory. I'll add, by professors who most likely haven't done shit in their lives to create and run a business themselves. All theory and no reality.

 

[EU MAGA]

ESL =\= automatically being “illegal”

kids don’t ask to cross borders. Legally or otherwise.

And it IS a global world. Denying it or wanting it to be otherwise doesn’t change reality.

As far as I’m concerned, we should be teaching children Spanish and Chinese from early childhood in addition to English. We lag behind the world in language education. Most other developed nations have a strong portion of their population that is minimally bi-lingual.

Yeah, they're multi-lingual because they have to learn English.
. With translation apps, you can get your point across in most languages. I'm multi-lingual, but use apps where I don't speak the language. They're suitable, for business and picking up chicks.

 

[trumptman]

This post reads like more of a grievance than an actual attempt at discussing the topic

They perhaps you need some remediation of your reading comprehension practices. There are solid points in there that you wish to ignore and dismiss.

 

[Risky Thicket]

It was a very simple job name to spell and if someone can't spell or do basic math that tells me they loafed their way or cheated their way through college, like a Commyla.

And the job name was …?