Democrats don't understand what it means to be educated

[Paradoxical]

I can't find it any more, but there was an article that gave specific examples of problems sort of like this -

Because the person failed to pay back the loan by a particular date or because some other collector took over, he or she had to begin paying back again. That is, the collector was taking double what had been borrowed.

I don't remember the details, and don't guarantee that I have reported it right, but I remember being horrified by the collector fraud and understanding at least some of the whiners for the first time. Apparently, there are all sorts of complications of this type. It's not just a matter of borrowing directly from the government and then paying back the government directly with interest. There are all sorts of in-between "companies" involved. Sounds totally screwy, like the housing loan scandals of 2008.

The administration of college is wayyyy over what it should be. They are paid tens of millions of dollars, and the assistants have assistants. We need to stop that BS.

 

[choiceone]

Puhleeze! Every poll I've seen shows the overwhelming majority of people who go to college do so for earning potential. And if you do it for some other reason, you should at least pay for it with money you have.

Yes, the majority treat college as a kind of employment test. not an activity to expand and discipline one's mind and increase one's knowledge and competence regarding a specialized field of study and practice.

If you don't have respect for truth, you shouldn't go to college at all, and the truth is that whether or not you get some job doesn't depend on you, but on the people who hire for the job. Their criteria may emphasize your age, your actual work experience, your presentational qualities, and all sorts of other things that have nothing to do with your college studies, and despite all company and government attempts at fair policy, you have no control over it.

I don't think you should take a public loan to do to college unless you are at least aiming to earn enough to pay back the loan. Merit grants are a different matter.

 

[Cosmo]

I can't find it any more, but there was an article that gave specific examples of problems sort of like this -

Because the person failed to pay back the loan by a particular date or because some other collector took over, he or she had to begin paying back again. That is, the collector was taking double what had been borrowed.

I don't remember the details, and don't guarantee that I have reported it right, but I remember being horrified by the collector fraud and understanding at least some of the whiners for the first time. Apparently, there are all sorts of complications of this type. It's not just a matter of borrowing directly from the government and then paying back the government directly with interest. There are all sorts of in-between "companies" involved. Sounds totally screwy, like the housing loan scandals of 2008.

Are we talking about one anecdote of what happened or a widespread problem? The person paying should have had the banking history to prove payment and it would have been an easy fix. But I guess we don't know since you don't remember the source.

 

[Cosmo]

Yes, the majority treat college as a kind of employment test. not an activity to expand and discipline one's mind and increase one's knowledge and competence regarding a specialized field of study and practice.

If you don't have respect for truth, you shouldn't go to college at all, and the truth is that whether or not you get some job doesn't depend on you,

Are you telling me that if you're interviewing to be a secretary, that typing at 300 WPM at your interview vs 3 WPM isn't going to give you an edge?

but on the people who hire for the job. Their criteria may emphasize your age, your actual work experience, your presentational qualities, and all sorts of other things that have nothing to do with your college studies, and despite all company and government attempts at fair policy, you have no control over it.

I don't think you should take a public loan to do to college unless you are at least aiming to earn enough to pay back the loan. Merit grants are a different matter.

 

[Deuce]

Right wingers just always gotta pretend they're the victim

 

[choiceone]

Are we talking about one anecdote of what happened or a widespread problem? The person paying should have had the banking history to prove payment and it would have been an easy fix. But I guess we don't know since you don't remember the source.

No, there was a range of anecdotes used to represent the kinds of problems borrowers encountered. It wasn't about not having a history to prove payment, but the fact that there was some kind of scam going on. It was being investigated. The link I provided here discusses one of the major legal prosecutions of collectors, but some are apparently ongoing. One major problem is that the investigations and prosecutions took too long and, all during this time, have been terrifying the borrowers even when the collectors were at fault for years.

I'm not really holding a brief for the borrowers, however, as I think they could well have chosen a different path to further education.

 

[choiceone]

Are you telling me that if you're interviewing to be a secretary, that typing at 300 WPM at your interview vs 3 WPM isn't going to give you an edge?

I don't know of any human being who has ever been able to type 300 WPM. Of course typing speed would give a person an edge in such an interview. But if you apply for a job, everything depends on the job interviewer, not the interviewee.

Some people hire a person because he or she is a family friend or a sexy person. For others, a person from a powerful wealthy family is more important than a person who can actually do the job. You seem so naive I can hardly believe it.

 

[Cosmo]

I don't know of any human being who has ever been able to type 300 WPM.

The record is just over that. https://www.pcmag.com/articles/the-worlds-fastest-typist-is-17-years-old-and-types-at-305-wpm

Either way that's sort of besides the point. The point is faster=better.

Of course typing speed would give a person an edge in such an interview. But if you apply for a job, everything depends on the job interviewer, not the interviewee.

You just contradicted yourself.

Some people hire a person because he or she is a family friend or a sexy

...is a condition you can work towards.

person. For others, a person from a powerful wealthy family

Because you found some exception of a handful of people who hired family members doesn't mean anything. What % of Musk's family members work for X, which has over 2,000 employees?

is more important than a person who can actually do the job. You seem so naive I can hardly believe it.

 

[Bighorn66]

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STEM job categories tend to have majority liberal workees

That hasn’t been my experience in the engineering world. I have three degrees. I get my life is a series of anecdotes and doesn’t represent the country. If there was a pie chart that was 10% conservative, 15% Liberal and 75% Cynical, I would believe that. More so than anything else we are a cynical bunch.

 

[Slartibartfast]

That hasn’t been my experience in the engineering world. I have three degrees. I get my life is a series of anecdotes and doesn’t represent the country. If there was a pie chart that was 10% conservative, 15% Liberal and 75% Cynical, I would believe that. More so than anything else we are a cynical bunch.

I agree that cynicism seems quite high in quantitative fields.

 

[choiceone]

The record is just over that. https://www.pcmag.com/articles/the-worlds-fastest-typist-is-17-years-old-and-types-at-305-wpm

Either way that's sort of besides the point. The point is faster=better.

Glad someone reached this record.

You just contradicted yourself.

No, I didn't.

...is a condition you can work towards.

Being hired as a secretary when one is a family friend or sexy person is being hired for characteristics irrelevant to those that will make one a better secretary.

Because you found some exception of a handful of people who hired family members doesn't mean anything. What % of Musk's family members work for X, which has over 2,000 employees?

I wasn't even thinking about Musk. It's a very well-known and classic fact that many people have hired family members and other people with characteristics irrelevant to the requirements of the jobs involved. And when Musk took over Twitter and changed it to X, he fired a lot of people who were essential to the ethical running of the company, whose later policies specified by him harmed the company. Since he owned the company, it was certainly his right to harm its ethical reputation and its worth, but he did it because he's unethical.