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Democrats don't understand what it means to be educated

You reminded me of my high school English class with the mention of these authors, not that we read any Shakespeare in that class. We used a text book called English Literature and Its Backgrounds by Bernard D.N. Grebanier. I believe it was used for three years to teach high school students English literature from "Paradise Lost" up to the War Poets of World War I. I had an excellent teacher with a background that was somewhat English. It was a good book.

I think overview texts that hit the biggies are great at that level. I have a textbook from 1936 that is very interesting for this reason because the editor's definition of "important" can be highly subjective with too much slant. For example, James Whitcomb Riley was tremendously popular at that time, but I think most people today are unfamiliar with his name.

Your text was first published in 1948 and went through six editions. His Wiki entry states that Grebanier's were the most popular courses at Brooklyn College, and when I poked around a little more, I found a more extensive list of some of his publications: https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL1765461A/Bernard_D._N._Grebanier

I don't know how it was back in his day, but in academia today, "popular" is often used condescendingly. There is a bit of contempt for those who are "dilletantes" (as you can see from the publication topics, Grebanier had broad interests!) or wildly successful with "the masses." I worked with an older scholar who had become Mr. Ellery Queen, and a lot of our colleagues looked down on him because he had "sold out."
 
The Liberal's world seems to be collapsing around itself. President Trump has broken them. It couldn't happen to a nicer group of people. (but... but... but... Trump is a Nazi, convicted felon, racist and rapist. And he steals children's allowances! ) :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Sonny Hostin may have unveiled the real reason why the Democrats lost the election, but she had it all wrong. She recently said on "The View," that "What we did not have is white women, who voted about 52% for Donald Trump – uneducated white women is my understanding."

One of the realities of why the Democrats lost this election in the landslide is thinking they have a monopoly on defining what being "educated" means in America today and here’s the reality of what this word means in America today. Let’s examine this.

click here to read... unless you are triggered by Fox News. If that's the case then here is your binky. :-)
Have fun
 
Um...I'm guessing the ones who believe in Qanon, who still believed Obama didn't have a birth certificate in 2017, who still think that Democrats stole the 2020 election, who think Rothchild space lasers cause wildfires, and those who feel that being educated means pointing at a woman's boobies? Want to see something funny?

- 54% of adults have a literacy below sixth-grade level.

This [sixth-grade] level is considered functional for everyday tasks but falls short when it comes to more advanced literacy skills required for higher education, critical thinking, or certain jobs. I'm also guessing that a crap ton of right-wingers reside here. in other words, they can manage to wipe their own asses everyday, but can't quite figure out the difference between a simple fact and a lie. I mean, how dumb and weak-minded must one be to think, for nine years, that the U.S. President has no birth certificate? For that matter, we have Hannity, Carlson, and Ingraham all caught texting each other on how easy it is to lie to their viewers in 2021, yet right-wingers remain glued to FOX News for "truth." So....by choice. Makes this lack of literacy even worse.
Dang, do you ramble much? Liberals can't define what a woman is. That is a fact. Per the rest of it regarding education, I taught for 38 years. You should blame the left and the two major teacher's unions for poor scores and the inability of Americans to think. What happens in classrooms across this country is an embarrassment only surpassed by the woke administration of so many school systems. I believe that students actually want to learn. They want challenges. They look for teachers to inspire them to think. Sadly enough, that isn't happening.
 
This is an extraordinary overgeneralization, and I say that as someone whose own doctoral work focused on first-half 18th century Brit. Lit. who also studied Donne, Milton, Shakespeare and further back to Lovelace.
Ah, you know my sister's situation. You were perhaps neighbors on ByField Road, chatted about the Marlow Conspiracy.
 
Typically it means schooling. Many times now days those degrees aren't worth the paper they are written on.
A good friend of mine, about 30 years older than me, retired from engineering in late 80s. He then pursued his doctorate. Why? Something he always wanted to do.

While I was pursuing an engineering degree I proctored an art appreciation class. I enjoyed it immensely. My point? Statements like "isn't worth the paper it was printed on" are typical of shallow thinkers. Education should be a lifelong endeavor and not necessarily done for monetary gain.
 
Dang, do you ramble much? Liberals can't define what a woman is. That is a fact. Per the rest of it regarding education, I taught for 38 years. You should blame the left and the two major teacher's unions for poor scores and the inability of Americans to think. What happens in classrooms across this country is an embarrassment only surpassed by the woke administration of so many school systems. I believe that students actually want to learn. They want challenges. They look for teachers to inspire them to think. Sadly enough, that isn't happening.
You would think he was getting paid by the word, wouldn't you? :ROFLMAO:
 
This is an extraordinary overgeneralization, and I say that as someone whose own doctoral work focused on first-half 18th century Brit. Lit. who also studied Donne, Milton, Shakespeare and further back to Lovelace.
What exactly is extraordinarily over generalized.
 
Being educated means having a degree in gender studies, being unemployed, and having $200,000 in student loan debt. On the other hand, a plumber making $100,000/yr with no debt and no college degree = dumb uneducated MAGAT oaf.
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Dang, do you ramble much? Liberals can't define what a woman is. That is a fact. Per the rest of it regarding education, I taught for 38 years. You should blame the left and the two major teacher's unions for poor scores and the inability of Americans to think. What happens in classrooms across this country is an embarrassment only surpassed by the woke administration of so many school systems. I believe that students actually want to learn. They want challenges. They look for teachers to inspire them to think. Sadly enough, that isn't happening.
Why is it that con-servatives are always asking for help in defining women? Is there a con-nection between that con-fusion and the INCEL and MGTOW movements?
 
A good friend of mine, about 30 years older than me, retired from engineering in late 80s. He then pursued his doctorate. Why? Something he always wanted to do.

While I was pursuing an engineering degree I proctored an art appreciation class. I enjoyed it immensely. My point? Statements like "isn't worth the paper it was printed on" are typical of shallow thinkers. Education should be a lifelong endeavor and not necessarily done for monetary gain.
Everyone has their own journey. I continue to be educated every day. I just don't get it inside a classroom. I have far more rewarding things to do with my time. In fact the time I spent finishing my degree was a complete waste of time. But I was told I needed it which turned out not to be true. I'll tell you what is worth the paper it's written on is my resume. My education is on the 3rd page and really isn't all that important compared to my work experience and the technologies I know.

Hey, how about Donnie? I bet President Trump going back to the White House caused you a relapse of TDS. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Come on, let's do the Trump shuffle!!!
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Being educated means having a degree in gender studies, being unemployed, and having $200,000 in student loan debt. On the other hand, a plumber making $100,000/yr with no debt and no college degree = dumb uneducated MAGAT oaf.
Interesting.

One of our daughters has a degree in gender studies. She also has a J. D. The generosity of Ohio taxpayers and a low-interest Federal loan (long since paid back) mean she has college degrees, no debt, and a job as an attorney. She's an educated non-MAGA voter.
 
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Why is it that con-servatives are always asking for help in defining women? Is there a con-nection between that con-fusion and the INCEL and MGTOW movements?
Because the Democ-RATS seem to think that men can have babies. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
I think overview texts that hit the biggies are great at that level. I have a textbook from 1936 that is very interesting for this reason because the editor's definition of "important" can be highly subjective with too much slant. For example, James Whitcomb Riley was tremendously popular at that time, but I think most people today are unfamiliar with his name.

Your text was first published in 1948 and went through six editions. His Wiki entry states that Grebanier's were the most popular courses at Brooklyn College, and when I poked around a little more, I found a more extensive list of some of his publications: https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL1765461A/Bernard_D._N._Grebanier

I don't know how it was back in his day, but in academia today, "popular" is often used condescendingly. There is a bit of contempt for those who are "dilletantes" (as you can see from the publication topics, Grebanier had broad interests!) or wildly successful with "the masses." I worked with an older scholar who had become Mr. Ellery Queen, and a lot of our colleagues looked down on him because he had "sold out."
Re: For example, James Whitcomb Riley was tremendously popular at that time, but I think most people today are unfamiliar with his name.

Two textbooks authored by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth Brooks have a permanent place on my bookshelves. Understanding Poetry (1939) and Understanding Fiction (1943). I do wonder what place they hold among readers today.

The editions I studied were published in the 60s. Along with my entire library they were lost in a house fire. But they were among the first books I replaced and still browse through from time to time. Your exchange with @NewfieMom reminded me how much pleasure I still enjoy from my "old" teachers.
 
Being educated means having a degree in gender studies, being unemployed, and having $200,000 in student loan debt. On the other hand, a plumber making $100,000/yr with no debt and no college degree = dumb uneducated MAGAT oaf.
Men and women who take Gender Study majors are not unemployable. Their major leads to many different jobs as pyrite mentioned above.

 
What a hilarious copy-paste! Did you even read that list? You need a J.D. to become a lawyer. A "business owner" is not really somewhere you'd be "employed." You can certainly become an astronaut after taking fashion design, but one has nothing to do with the other. Just as gender studies is unrelated to many of the items in the list.
 
I’m reminded when “fuzzy logic” was a new and exciting discipline (control law development) about the time I was in college - sort of like artificial intelligence is now.

Of course, lots of folks who didn’t know what they were talking about piped in with their 2¢ worth of comments on the subject.

I’m also reminded of the dichotomy of going to a “tech” college versus a large land grant University (Michigan Tech vs. Michigan, University of Missouri-Rolla now Missouri University of Science and Technology vs. Mizzou, etc.).

Learning to be a plumber, electrician or any so called trade usually doesn’t include much in the way of humanities.

So many who haver never had much formal post-secondary education get really defensive about the topic.
 
One good example of how Democrats have become UNMOORED from reality is the fact that they call anyone without a college degree "uneducated" as if they didn't have a high school diploma.

Talk about alienating the very voters you are supposed to courting, the vast majority of people do not have a college degree. So to say they are "uneducated" is just insulting.

Plus while the number of people with degrees have been growing to be polite, the rigor and actual abilities of those receiving those degrees have not. There are a number of fields now, especially the fields of critical studies, women's studies and so on that basically generate degree holders who spout pure stupidity and nonsense. All their "knowledge" is self-knowledge which means they are ignorant fools.

Democrats should realize that just because someone is an office assistant or a plumber that doesn't mean they are "uneducated". Someone with a high school diploma is not "uneducated".

However if they do want to claim that, since Democrats, their unions and their teachers run all the schools, they can simply consider the label a judgement on the quality of work they are doing for our general population and consent to having vouchers and school choice available for all.
My sister and I are certainly anti-Trumpers, and my mom and dad would never have supported Trump, but they didn't have college degrees.

My mom and aunt were told by their dad that he would not be willing to foot the bill for more than two years of college unless they agreed not to marry and have kids, because it was a waste of money. When my aunt was offered a full tuition music scholarship for her last two years of school if she just paid her living expenses, her mom wouldn't let her do it because she was the eldest, and the eldest was supposed to go into business. But their two sons were sent to college and architectural school and became architects.

As for my dad, he grew up in poverty, got his first job at 12 delivering newspapers, and had to drop out of school at 16, as a straight A student, to help support his mom and sister, who were very ill. He worked as an apprentice to a photographer and self-educated himself about photography courtesy of the Chicago Public Library and his work. He didn't get a high school diploma until he was over 55, long after he had been in charge of photography on a naval air vessel in WWII and had taught photography in college later.

But these people were very well educated, as they read widely, had terrific taste in books, were critical thinkers, etc. And they taught their kids to have a healthy respect for school, studying, aspirations to greater knowledge, and responsibility for critical thought. It takes a lot of self-discipline to become expert in a field of science or art, and they were capable of appreciating that.

They would have considered people who uncritically believe in conspiracy theories, Qanon, Pizzagate, etc., as idiots, and would have thought the behavior of Trump and his MAGA followers vulgar, unrespectful of intelligence, logic, etc. Indeed, the thought of supporting him for president as the daughter of such people would make me so ashamed I would be suicidal.
 
Why is it that con-servatives are always asking for help in defining women? Is there a con-nection between that con-fusion and the INCEL and MGTOW movements?
I attribute it to a lack of education. They struggle to understand the definition of basic English words. This likely explains why anything requiring a 3rd grade reading comprehension level (or higher) is “word salad” to them.
 
I am perfectly happy with far less government. Your side imported problems for government jobs they bring and then want ME to pay for it. Trump has been given a mandate to end the crap of the left.
Trump has no mandate. He didn't even get 50% of the vote. He has a plurality and about 1.5% more votes than Harris. Moreover, the Republican majorities in the Senate and House are small and won by tiny percentages in a few states/districts. So please stop with the BS,
 
What a hilarious copy-paste! Did you even read that list? You need a J.D. to become a lawyer. A "business owner" is not really somewhere you'd be "employed." You can certainly become an astronaut after taking fashion design, but one has nothing to do with the other. Just as gender studies is unrelated to many of the items in the list.
Thinking everybody is stupid except you is alway good for a laugh.
 
Some probably did. And some were alcoholics. Some were drug addicts. Some committed suicide. What's your point? You're supposed to try and imitate the best traits of great people, not their worst traits.
I don't think owning a gold toilet is a good trait. Talk about smacking of elitism.
 
That should be up to the parents who pay those school taxes.
I don't know where you live, but here, it is property owners whose taxes pay for public schools, not parents. Own property as a single person? You pay taxes here that are used for the public schools, too.

The point of having that arrangement is that a community benefits from educating its kids to a decent public standard, so if you're financially successful enough to own property in the community, you have to pony up for community stuff. If you're not so successful, the community isn't sufficiently benefiting you for you to do so.
 
I don't think owning a gold toilet is a good trait. Talk about smacking of elitism.
And not to mention a rather vulgar display of Conspicuous Consumption. (Though that toilet ought to have been left inconspicuous.) Even a Thorstein Veblen would believe it a flush too many.
 
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