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Democrat's Creating Food Crisis[W:255]

Respecthelect said:
No. The government took the rightful property of farmers (water rights) and dumped it in the ocean.

These farms have water rights attached to the land. Otherwise, farmers wouldn't have bought the farms in the first place. This is not government water being graciously doled out as some freebie. These water rights have been stolen from the farmer to give to a fish. A non-native fish. A fish that lives in brackish water anyway (not fresh water). A fish of no use to man.
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Why, it's enough to give a lady the vapours!
 
sangha said:
And limiting the amount of food stamps limits how much a poor person can eat, and limiting TANF checks limits how nice a car a welfare mom can drive.

Farmers can grow as much as they want. All they have to do is get their own water instead of waiting for a govt handout
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Farmers can't, because the state wont allow them the resources they ALWAYS used. Its not entitlements or even a non-native fish thats causing these fields to sit unused-its the state. Statism is doing this-and you are blindly defending it.
 
US Conservative said:
Farmers can't, because the state wont allow them the resources they ALWAYS used. Its not entitlements or even a non-native fish thats causing these fields to sit unused-its the state. Statism is doing this-and you are blindly defending it.
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No, they haven't always used that much water. Only since the govt started supplying them with that much welfare water.

And now, those welfare takers are so hooked on govt handouts, that they've grown dependent on govt welfare water and now they and the right wingers are crying because the Nanny State apron strings they've been clinging to have been cut off.
 
sangha said:
No, they haven't always used that much water. Only since the govt started supplying them with that much welfare water.

And now, those welfare takers are so hooked on govt handouts, that they've grown dependent on govt welfare water and now they and the right wingers are crying because the Nanny State apron strings they've been clinging to have been cut off.
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I guess you have a point. California, with the highest poverty rate in the nation, should just treat all the other welfare takers the same way. Just dismiss the whiners when they complain, as you're suggesting.
 
ocean515 said:
I guess you have a point. California, with the highest poverty rate in the nation, should just treat all the other welfare takers the same way. Just dismiss the whiners when they complain, as you're suggesting.
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Sure. When the recipients of TANF, food stamps, etc receive as much welfare as the farmers do, we should stop increasing their benefits. If they're not happy with such huge increases, too bad on them.
 
sangha said:
Sure. When the recipients of TANF, food stamps, etc receive as much welfare as the farmers do, we should stop increasing their benefits. If they're not happy with such huge increases, too bad on them.
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Oh, so now there is qualifiers to your plan. I see, so it's subjective. It would be interesting to see your figures for California.
 
ocean515 said:
Oh, so now there is qualifiers to your plan. I see, so it's subjective. It would be interesting to see your figures for California.
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I figure there's a good reason why CA has a large population, large and diverse economy, world class hospitals, schools and cultural facilities.....Liberal policies.
 
Respecthelect said:
Obama's still dumping water in the ocean and withholding it from farmers. Still doing his best to starve America. Obama's doing his level best to create crisis, hunger and American weakness wherever he can.

Here's more recent articles confirming:

A fishy drought in California

CALIFORNIA DROUGHT 'MAN-MADE'--BY DEMOCRATS

Thanks for reminding everyone how long and how persistent Obama's been on trying to starve us through man-made drought? No wonder the ground looks so baked, Obama's withheld water for five-years.
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Do you have a source that is not from a right wing propoganda rag?
 
sangha said:
I figure there's a good reason why CA has a large population, large and diverse economy, world class hospitals, schools and cultural facilities.....Liberal policies.
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Actually, as any read of the socio-economic realities of the state today proves, their rise was not due to liberal policies, but their collapse certainly is. It take lots of liberal policies to have more poverty per capita than any other state in the United States. When smelt become more important than humans, you know liberal policies have reached their zenith.
 
ocean515 said:
Actually, as any read of the socio-economic realities of the state today proves, their rise was not due to liberal policies, but their collapse certainly is. It take lots of liberal policies to have more poverty per capita than any other state in the United States. When smelt become more important than humans, you know liberal policies have reached their zenith.
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There is no collapse.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/10/02/us/uninsured-americans-map.html

Looks like it's the red states that have the majority of poor people
 
sangha said:
There is no collapse.
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I understand. 40% percent drop out rates in public education in say, Los Angeles, is considered a great liberal/progressive accomplishment. The loss of over 30% of the manufacturing jobs in the state over the last 20 years is a feather in the liberal/progressive cap. Unemployment rates far exceeding the national average for years and years should be part of the liberal/progressive party platform.

And healthy smelt, while people starve, should be on banners waving from Gov. Browns office and the liberal/progressive voting, union owned, legislature.
 
ocean515 said:
I understand. 40% percent drop out rates in public education in say, Los Angeles, is considered a great liberal/progressive accomplishment. The loss of over 30% of the manufacturing jobs in the state over the last 20 years is a feather in the liberal/progressive cap. Unemployment rates far exceeding the national average for years and years should be part of the liberal/progressive party platform.

And healthy smelt, while people starve, should be on banners waving from Gov. Browns office and the liberal/progressive voting, union owned, legislature.
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CA HS graduation rate is about average while many red states are below average

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014391.pdf

And no one is starving. That sort of drama queening should be limited to Broadway and soap operas
 
sangha said:
CA HS graduation rate is about average while many red states are below average

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014391.pdf

And no one is starving. That sort of drama queening should be limited to Broadway and soap operas
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The graduation rate in Los Angeles was @ 67% last year. After changing standards, that was a 1.3% rise from 2012. In a number of High Schools, the rate approaches 50%.

As to starving, you don't have a clue, so stop lying about it.

http://www.frbsf.org/community-development/files/SJV-Fair-Housing-and-Equity-Assessment.pdf
 
ocean515 said:
I recognize you are running away from your lies. I'll leave them to you.
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Seems like the liberal shifted the topic from water-theft to a bunch of other unrelated topics. Never seen a liberal do that before?
 
25% of the water consumed by agriculture in California is used by alfalfa farmers.
Alfalfa totals 4% of the states agricultural output.
Seems to me that the farmers are not managing their water very well.
If ANYONE was truly concerned about the state's agricultural output they would be waging a campaign against wasteful alfalfa farmers who should be growing a more productive crop with better returns on the water invested.
This thread is just an attempt to score points against the state in a game that only conservatives play.
It has nothing to do with feeding the nation or the world.
 
My purpose is to ensure nobody messes with my food supply. Not government and not Muslim corporations. When I see irrational redirection of water and blaming it on normal "drought" conditions, I'm going to point it out. Because, when the food shortages start, we don't want people buffaloed into stupid policy decisions.

Don't cows eat alfalfa? So, wouldn't one count beef as part of the alfalfa issue? Not all of us are vegetarians.

There's plenty of water in California for farmers. If the smelt has to swim upstream to find its brackish water, so be it. But, the farmers need their water. And we need the farmers to get their water. It doesn't help us at harvest, if the farmer didn't get his water in growing season. So, let's make sure the farmer gets his water please.

If those are political motives "only conservative's play," so be it. If a steady, plentiful food supply is political, call me political?
 
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sangha said:
And you want to achieve your goal of getting the govt out of the food supply by demanding that the govt give them more water.
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Those farmers got their land with water rights. The government isn't "giving" them anything they haven't paid for.

This is what happens whenever government is involved with anything. They act like they never made a deal with farmers to provide water. They act like the farmers never had rights. This is why people hate government, because it can't be trusted to keep its word.
 
sangha said:
No, they haven't always used that much water. Only since the govt started supplying them with that much welfare water.

And now, those welfare takers are so hooked on govt handouts, that they've grown dependent on govt welfare water and now they and the right wingers are crying because the Nanny State apron strings they've been clinging to have been cut off.
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No, these farmers WANT to produce, and they can't because big govt says so, and not even for a valid reason (delta smelt my ass).
A prime example why liberal statism is so destructive.
 
sangha said:
I figure there's a good reason why CA has a large population, large and diverse economy, world class hospitals, schools and cultural facilities.....Liberal policies.
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CA was a great state because of conservative policies, its rapid decline over the last 40 years has been due to the influx of liberalism-its currently coasting on its laurels. Its got 1/3 of the nations welfare recipients and millions of illegals, its high taxation and environmental regulations have scared off manufacturing, the tech sector, the entertainment industry, and the defense sector. Agriculture CANT leave.
 
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