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Democrat Franken to resign from Senate: radio report

I was wondering The same thing.

He's probably waiting for his successor to be named and sworn in, so that Minnesota is not underrepresented in the interim.

To be crudely political about it, he wants to make sure that the GOP cannot ram through its agenda with only 49 votes.
 
My point is that the reason Dems are so desperate for Republicans to dump more now is because they know the Dem would win the seat. By letting the process take it's course the Republicans would keep the seat but not necessarily Moore. It is not much different than Dems supporting Conyers when they knew what he was up to ... except maybe that the Dems weren't in danger of losing that seat.

Electing a child molester is electing a child molester I don't give a **** which seat or which party it is. Winning that senate seat doesn't matter, all the hype about Democrats taking the senate in 2018 is just that. It goes from "impossible" to "incredibly unlikely" with a steal of Moore's seat. Whoop dee doo.
 
We're aware. You people will happily elect a child molester to get a vote on the worst tax cut bill in US history.

It's sad to see anyone repeating verbatim political talking points.
 
It's sad to see anyone repeating verbatim political talking points.

Tax cuts for luxury cars and private jets and tax hikes for teachers and students. GOP 2017, everyone.
 
My point is that the reason Dems are so desperate for Republicans to dump more now is because they know the Dem would win the seat. By letting the process take it's course the Republicans would keep the seat but not necessarily Moore. It is not much different than Dems supporting Conyers when they knew what he was up to ... except maybe that the Dems weren't in danger of losing that seat.

So a predator is ok, as long as it's a Republican. Sadly, I didn't expect more from you.
 
You mean like "[y]ou SJW freaks" isn't name calling? I included the post that you wrote above here. I don't mind debating you, but you'll have to be honest in order to do so.

You don't get to decide when harm was done or no harm was done. That attitude is the precise reason that #metoo exists and why women, not unaffiliated men like you, are finally being allowed to determine what harms them and why.

Franken's life was not destroyed. He lost his job. Perhaps from now on he will keep his hands and other body parts to himself like a civilized and mature human. Interesting how you take such a dramatic position here while you claim that his accusers and the rest of the country are being overly dramatic.

Phrases like "silly crap" seek to minimize the importance or severity of misdeeds. They have no effect on me and evidently, neither do they on most senators and Americans.

Granted...I would be offended were I called an SJW too.

Harm done...ya I asked my wife and a few other women I know about this.
My wife, of course, said she thinks North American women, "do to hate being woman"...
The other girls at the table took a bit of exception to that but...they know my wife and let it slide.
However they too thought this was a weaponization of sex offense, and weren't terribly impressed with it all.
That sexual assault allegations were too frequently leveled without proof and for basic nonsense...30 years after the fact.
They were all afraid of the long term consequences of such abusive behavior.

And I said..."huh"...
 
Electing a child molester is electing a child molester I don't give a **** which seat or which party it is. Winning that senate seat doesn't matter, all the hype about Democrats taking the senate in 2018 is just that. It goes from "impossible" to "incredibly unlikely" with a steal of Moore's seat. Whoop dee doo.

Who are you kidding? Should I go count the number of times you called Conyers and Clinton rapists? How many times you called Ted Kennedy a murderer? Hillary Clinton a national security threat? If Moore is elected he should immediately be subjected to an ethics investigation and if found guilty he should be expelled. Same goes for every Congressperson still in congress who also shows up on the hush money list. But don't for a minute think your "holier than thou" bull **** isn't transparently political. If Moore is guilty then boot him out of Congress. If he is not found guilty then he should retain his seat. Why is the rule of law such a mystery to you?
 
We're aware. You people will happily elect a child molester to get a vote on the worst tax cut bill in US history.

Exactly as you people have done over and over and over and over and over. They're commissioning a statue for Mayor Berry in Baltimore. You held Clinton up as a god for years after. You'll elect anything that spews socialist filth.

Moore will get his in time when this is sorted out. Get the seat and replace him.
 
So a predator is ok, as long as it's a Republican. Sadly, I didn't expect more from you.

You guys sure like to use legal justification for your political opinions when no legal determination has been reached. Why is that?
 
You guys sure like to use legal justification for your political opinions when no legal determination has been reached. Why is that?

Then there's no justification, according to you, for Franken to resign.
 
Then there's no justification, according to you, for Franken to resign.

He has admitted to his transgressions... and then there are the pictures.

But if a woman made the accusation of Franken fondling her and Franken denied it then yeah, no justification for him to resign.

If it helps, I want the full list of all Congressmen who made hush payments out of the Congressional Hush money fund, and want them all brought up on Ethics charges and their parties to primary them regardless of the party they are affiliated with.

If their states vote them back in and they clear their Ethics investigation and Congress closes the hush money program then we stop talking about it. Fair enough?

Or would you argue that everyone on that list should lose their seat immediately?
 
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Let's put it this way.
It's SOP for Political Parties to develop strategies to show actual behavior is unacceptable, or misrepresent actual behavior as unacceptable.
and
It's SOP for Political Parties to develop counter strategies.

I simply cannot accept that the history of Party (Parties) actions suggest anything other than political calculation here.
EVERYTHING that's done needs to be seen in that light.

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It'd be nice if that wasn't true but since it is, what you're left with is to decide who can deliver the results you like using the control you authorized.
But keep in mind that "results you like" depend on how convinced you are that you should like the results.
In short, it can depend on how much control you're willing to relinquish.
If you tend to accept what they say only because you want to believe it the cycle will continue.

That is your Machiavellian interpretation of modern politics. I do not agree with it.

Believing what politicians say is something that party loyalists do. The rest of us research their statements and policy proposals using hopefully unbiased information presented by credible and indepedent sources.

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I have not rendered my judgment on the Franken matter and his party's role in it in the vacuum of political consideration, as you seem to have. There is no doubt that politics influences political decisions more than anything else. I think this particular issue is also influenced by significant and current cultural shifts and perhaps even by ethics, even if the same ethical standards were not employed in the past.
 
He has admitted to his transgressions... and then there are the pictures.

But if a woman made the accusation of Franken fondling her and Franken denied it then yeah, no justification for him to resign.

If it helps, I want the full list of all Congressmen who made hush payments out of the Congressional Hush money fund, and want them all brought up on Ethics charges and their parties to primary them regardless of the party they are affiliated with.

If their states vote them back in and they clear their Ethics investigation and Congress closes the hush money program then we stop talking about it. Fair enough?

Or would you argue that everyone on that list should lose their seat immediately?

So you admit that Franken broke no law and shouldn't have resigned by your standard?
 
Granted...I would be offended were I called an SJW too.

Harm done...ya I asked my wife and a few other women I know about this.
My wife, of course, said she thinks North American women, "do to hate being woman"...
The other girls at the table took a bit of exception to that but...they know my wife and let it slide.
However they too thought this was a weaponization of sex offense, and weren't terribly impressed with it all.
That sexual assault allegations were too frequently leveled without proof and for basic nonsense...30 years after the fact.
They were all afraid of the long term consequences of such abusive behavior.

And I said..."huh"...

Then you would probably have a guilty conscience. Your insults don't offend me. I'm just pointing out your intellectual deficit.

Your anecdote about your wife is utterly meaningless. I'll go sit at a table of people who are likeminded with me and let you know what they say.

You can continue to minimize and deny what women call harassment, abuse, and assault. You might even have a strong position on abortion. I don't care. I promise you that the women you doubt, question, disregard, and dismiss don't care what you think either, except to the extent that you have the ability to evolve. The tide has turned against you.
 
Then you would probably have a guilty conscience. Your insults don't offend me. I'm just pointing out your intellectual deficit.

Your anecdote about your wife is utterly meaningless. I'll go sit at a table of people who are likeminded with me and let you know what they say.

You can continue to minimize and deny what women call harassment, abuse, and assault. You might even have a strong position on abortion. I don't care. I promise you that the women you doubt, question, disregard, and dismiss don't care what you think either, except to the extent that you have the ability to evolve. The tide has turned against you.

Ya know what your problem is?
You assume to much. And I thought the anecdote was cute...guess ya had ta be there...

I don't 'deny' that harassment happens. Hell I've been harassed...by your definition...
As for assault, there are laws for that. They should be used if an assault has happened.
And FYI, I happen to think abortion should be freely obtainable when it can be safely done.
These accusers have shown the world that a middle aged man, who was a successful comedian who became a politician and won a seat in the US Senate, did some childish crap on camera, in a military transport, while entertaining the US troops. And that he has touched some women in his time. I don't doubt any of it. I think its a petty way to go #MeToo and have 15 minutes in the spotlight.
That's...what I think.
 
That is your Machiavellian interpretation of modern politics. I do not agree with it.

Believing what politicians say is something that party loyalists do. The rest of us research their statements and policy proposals using hopefully unbiased information presented by credible and indepedent sources.

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I have not rendered my judgment on the Franken matter and his party's role in it in the vacuum of political consideration, as you seem to have. There is no doubt that politics influences political decisions more than anything else. I think this particular issue is also influenced by significant and current cultural shifts and perhaps even by ethics, even if the same ethical standards were not employed in the past.

Just what research have you done that would lead you to conclude that THIS time the Parties have staked out ethical/moral positions rather than political ones.
History shows otherwise.
 
I said this on the other debate site but not here: Good ****ing riddance.

Next up: Trump and Roy... predators need to be sanctioned. If they are prone to predation then they are prone to any predatory behavior, and that includes mis-using their delegated powers.
 
Just what research have you done that would lead you to conclude that THIS time the Parties have staked out ethical/moral positions rather than political ones.
History shows otherwise.

Research about the effects of cultural transformation is endless. Pick a significant cultural shift within a society; and you will find volumes about its effects on politics, laws, religion, education, etc. You know as well as I do that the #metoo movement is less than sixty days old and that Franken resigned four days. I will review the related research when it is published. I encourage you to do the same.

History shows that you are making a broad generalization that simply does not apply to every political situation.
 
Who said Franken broke the law?

Nobody, which is why i assume that your standard that no legal determinations have been made means that he should not have resigned according to your view. Is that correct?
 
I can't believe there is even a debate about Frankin. YES he should have resigned when the first allegation came out. I didn't really expect him to though, I thought he would finish his term and go away. I mean really no hope of reelection there but then the others came forward, what's it up to now? 8? Sheesh there's no defending this. And he's from my state! Seriously unacceptable. Which is why I'm still baffled by this;

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...es-donald-trump-bragging-about-sexual-assault

"I just start kissing [beautiful women]. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait," a hot mic recorded Donald Trump saying in 2005, in a recording obtained by The Washington Post's David Fahrenthold. "And when you're a star they let you do it," Trump says. "You can do anything. … Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."

Lest there be any doubt, this is the very definition of sexual assault. Trump is expressing his entitlement to women's bodies, and describing how he takes – kisses, grabs – what he wants from women when he wants it. You'd be hard pressed to come up with a more explicit description of sexual harassment.

The Trump campaign quickly issued a statement on the video, but even this nonapology is a reflection of the pervasiveness of rape culture. Trump attributed the remarks to "locker room banter," as if this is just how men talk to one another, as if boys will be boys, as if this is acceptable

The focus should be on the women who have come forward accusing Trump of sexual misconduct/abuse. They may not all be telling the truth but they should be heard and the allegations should be investigated. I mean 16+ women don't risk everything for something like this.
 
Nobody, which is why i assume that your standard that no legal determinations have been made means that he should not have resigned according to your view. Is that correct?

Not exactly. Franken or any Senator could be removed from office by a 60 vote majority in the Senate without ever being accused, much less found guilty, of breaking a law. I'd have no problem with that being Moore's fate.

Should Bob Menendez resign? It sounds like based on your beliefs he should have been gone long before the trial.
 
Not exactly. Franken or any Senator could be removed from office by a 60 vote majority in the Senate without ever being accused, much less found guilty, of breaking a law. I'd have no problem with that being Moore's fate.

Should Bob Menendez resign? It sounds like based on your beliefs he should have been gone long before the trial.

The trial is the requirement for criminal punishment.

Civil forms of punishment need not rely on that requirement.
 
Not exactly. Franken or any Senator could be removed from office by a 60 vote majority in the Senate without ever being accused, much less found guilty, of breaking a law. I'd have no problem with that being Moore's fate.

Should Bob Menendez resign? It sounds like based on your beliefs he should have been gone long before the trial.

It takes 67 votes to expel a senator.
 
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