Democracy is a terrible idea, illustrated.

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Phys251 · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Not enough to replace your current quote in my sig. But close.

ecofarm · Dec 14, 2019

Most moronic thread of the month. Easily.

It's like a pubescent boy trying to be tough.

Somerville · Dec 14, 2019

ecofarm said:
Most moronic thread of the month. Easily.

It's like a pubescent boy trying to be tough.

A pubescent boy who already knows more than you or any other educated adult. </sarcasm>

ecofarm · Dec 14, 2019

Somerville said:
A pubescent boy who already knows more than you or any other educated adult. </sarcasm>

And promoting absolutely stupid and insane garbage.

Wry Catcher · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

What happens (and did) when the Captain is suicidal? Or intoxicated (as has occurred), or when the cabin crew is all asleep and passes well beyond the destination, thankfully they awakened before the aircraft ran out of fuel (also happened)?

Trump is not a philosopher King (though he seems to believe he is). An educated population is necessary for a democratic republic to thrive. Propaganda being used today is sophisticated and when no matter how ridiculous and even ludicrous it is, when repeated over and over will convince some of the people all of the time. Yet thankfully, they are the few and we are the many.

Cardinal · Dec 14, 2019

Dumb.

....

Jetboogieman · Dec 14, 2019

Cardinal said:
Dumb.

....

Or a cry for attention.

Or crazy.

Take your pick.

Tigerace117 · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

The most glaring of the numerous problems with your little rant, of course, is that most “noblemen” and kings don’t have any clue how to run a state, and there’s no real way to hold them accountable when they run into the ground short of launching a revolt.

Oh, and the captain is not an absolute dictator. He can’t just decide “you know, I think we’ll fly to Boston instead of Miami today”. He has to maintain strict guidelines and regulations and if he doesn’t—other than risking the lives of everyone on board—he gets his ass fired and once it gets out isn’t going to get a job flying a commercial airliner anywhere.

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

Wry Catcher said:
What happens (and did) when the Captain is suicidal? Or intoxicated (as has occurred), or when the cabin crew is all asleep and passes well beyond the destination, thankfully they awakened before the aircraft ran out of fuel (also happened)?

Trump is not a philosopher King (though he seems to believe he is). An educated population is necessary for a democratic republic to thrive. Propaganda being used today is sophisticated and when no matter how ridiculous and even ludicrous it is, when repeated over and over will convince some of the people all of the time. Yet thankfully, they are the few and we are the many.

Ok but what you’re talking about is the exception.

The Romanovs ruled Russia for 400 years, the Soviet Union barely lasted 80.

So in fact in most cases Monarchy provides long term stability and it’s failures are usually external and they are rare.

Democracies are usually short term and fail. We now have a near equally divided United States where both sides don’t recognize the other as legitimate. If we had an absolute monarchy and speaking against the institution of the monarchy itself was illegal then we’d have like 70% or 80% of people supporting the government and it would be stable.

Tim the plumber · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Shockingly this attitude is not abnormal in French, German and Islmic cultures. There may well be many others but I have not encounter it.

That you, ENM, consider yourself less than worthy of being consulted about your governance, your views are less than credable is something I agree with. You clearly have not got the idea of a constitution and framwork of governance within a sofisticated state. When you have managed to grow up a little you might get better.

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

Tigerace117 said:
The most glaring of the numerous problems with your little rant, of course, is that most “noblemen” and kings don’t have any clue how to run a state, and there’s no real way to hold them accountable when they run into the ground short of launching a revolt.

Oh, and the captain is not an absolute dictator. He can’t just decide “you know, I think we’ll fly to Boston instead of Miami today”. He has to maintain strict guidelines and regulations and if he doesn’t—other than risking the lives of everyone on board—he gets his ass fired and once it gets out isn’t going to get a job flying a commercial airliner anywhere.

Well you say that but you’re wrong. The Spanish monarchy lasted centuries, the Spanish republic didn’t last a generation before it was destroyed by civil war.

The Romanovs were a 400 year dynasty and the Soviet Union didn’t last a century.

So actually in many cases Kings have a pretty good idea of how to manage countries

HumblePi · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Let's have some fun with your analogy. We're all the passengers in a great big plane, on an airline we'll call 'Fascist Air'. Trump is the pilot and Mitch McConnell is the co-pilot. We're not going to end up at grandma's house for the holiday and we're not going to end up at an annual convention for work, we're all going to end up where the pilot says we're going to end up whether we like it or not. And who can be seen sitting in the control tower at the airport of Hell? None other than controller Vladimir Putin.

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

HumblePi said:
Let's have some fun with your analogy. We're all the passengers in a great big plane, on an airline we'll call 'Fascist Air'. Trump is the pilot and Mitch McConnell is the co-pilot. We're not going to end up at grandma's house for the holiday and we're not going to end up at an annual convention for work, we're all going to end up where the pilot says we're going to end up whether we like it or not. And who can be seen sitting in the control tower at the airport of Hell? None other than controller Vladimir Putin.

I never advocated for fascism, only monarchy. Fascism is anti-monarchical.

I also said nothing about Putin or Trump or McConnell

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

Tim the plumber said:
Shockingly this attitude is not abnormal in French, German and Islmic cultures. There may well be many others but I have not encounter it.

That you, ENM, consider yourself less than worthy of being consulted about your governance, your views are less than credable is something I agree with. You clearly have not got the idea of a constitution and framwork of governance within a sofisticated state. When you have managed to grow up a little you might get better.

If there’s a political movement in France to restore the bourbons and the Catholic Church could you please send that to me? I wish to support them.

I would actually love for there to be one, just one country that’s a Catholic Theocracy ruled by a King. I would totally move there like yesterday.

The liberals seem to have no problem with muslims having their own theocratic countries, why can’t I have one to live in?

Tigerace117 · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Well you say that but you’re wrong. The Spanish monarchy lasted centuries, the Spanish republic didn’t last a generation before it was destroyed by civil war.

The Romanovs were a 400 year dynasty and the Soviet Union didn’t last a century.

So actually in many cases Kings have a pretty good idea of how to manage countries

Gee, and why was that again? Hmmm.....because a gang of psychotic thugs decided that they would be better off running the show and helping their pal Adolf out.

Meanwhile the reason why the Spanish military was so eager to intervene was the numerous humiliations the Spanish monarchy had suffered before it had fallen and the effective dismantlement of its colonial empire in the series of defeats at the hands of everyone from the United States to local rebels.

The Romanovs, again, fell because they ran the country into the ground, and wound up losing Russia huge amounts of its most valuable territories in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

Saying that the Romanovs “knew how the run the country” is a joke. Had they moderated even a little bit, it’s likely the Russian Revolution could have been avoided, but instead they doubled down on autocracy and sheer stupidity—for example, allowing Rasputin to hang around—and wound up in front of a firing squad because of it.

RabidAlpaca · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

We get it already, you're a fascist. The problem with fascists is you always think it's going to be your ally crushing other citizens and never consider what would happen to you.

Irwin Corey · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Actually there have been studies that "large" groups of people trend to the right solution most of the time. There are many examples but the easiest and best illustration is having a large group guess how many jelly beans are in a jar. Individuals, generally suck at guessing, but when the "groups" guess's are averaged they tend to be very close to the correct number.

But to put a point on your OP, HISTORY proves that a single ruler almost always becomes a tyrannical despot. Which is why our founders put our government in the hands of the will of the people. That our nation has become the greatest the world has ever known validates their concept. And, in spite of tRumps quest to be a dictator, "we should give that a shot", not matter what Barr thinks about the "presidency" being above the law, contrary to Moscow Mitch's quest to create an imperial president … AmeriCANs still believe that our President should be an elected servant of the people, IF anything the President should be held to a higher standard.

Tim the plumber · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
If there’s a political movement in France to restore the bourbons and the Catholic Church could you please send that to me? I wish to support them.

No.

You can find it yourself.

It will be good for them to find out what sort of people agree with them.

Tigerace117 · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
I never advocated for fascism, only monarchy. Fascism is anti-monarchical.

I also said nothing about Putin or Trump or McConnell

Lol yes, that’s why there were kings/emperors in fascist states like Italy, Spain, Japan and Thailand....because they were opposed to the monarchy.

Oh wait :roll:

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

Tigerace117 said:
Gee, and why was that again? Hmmm.....because a gang of psychotic thugs decided that they would be better off running the show and helping their pal Adolf out.

Meanwhile the reason why the Spanish military was so eager to intervene was the numerous humiliations the Spanish monarchy had suffered before it had fallen and the effective dismantlement of its colonial empire in the series of defeats at the hands of everyone from the United States to local rebels.

The Romanovs, again, fell because they ran the country into the ground, and wound up losing Russia huge amounts of its most valuable territories in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

Saying that the Romanovs “knew how the run the country” is a joke. Had they moderated even a little bit, it’s likely the Russian Revolution could have been avoided, but instead they doubled down on autocracy and sheer stupidity—for example, allowing Rasputin to hang around—and wound up in front of a firing squad because of it.

Well the truth is the Romanovs did moderat, Tsar Alexander II was all about reform and he ate a commie bomb for his troubles.

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

Tigerace117 said:
Lol yes, that’s why there were kings/emperors in fascist states like Italy, Spain, Japan and Thailand....because they were opposed to the monarchy.

Oh wait :roll:

Spain and Japan were not fascist states. Franco cannot meaningfully be called a fascist, Japan was parliamentary monarchy like Great Britain, where the emperor was a mere figurehead. And in Italy the King likewise held no real power compared to Mussolini.

HumblePi · Dec 14, 2019

EMNofSeattle said:
I never advocated for fascism, only monarchy. Fascism is anti-monarchical.

I also said nothing about Putin or Trump or McConnell

As I clearly stated, my comment was intended as having 'fun' with your ridiculous analogy. Our Founding Fathers came here to 'America' to escape monarchy, to escape dictators, to be free from oppression under rule of non-democratic nations. They took great care to be sure we do not succumb to a monarchy, or fascism, or totalitarianism.

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

RabidAlpaca said:
We get it already, you're a fascist. The problem with fascists is you always think it's going to be your ally crushing other citizens and never consider what would happen to you.

It’s happening to me right now under democracy.

I voted for a legitimate president and a certain political party (called the Democratic Party no less, talk about Fraud)
Is attempting a coup d’etat after calling the president a Russian spy/asset.

So actually the real fascism is denying me the vote I cast. In Washington state I’ve voted for many initiatives to lower taxes and the Democratic Party has corrupt court judges declare them invalid.

The people of California didn’t want homosexual “marriage” you guessed what happens next...

So in fact I am already being oppressed because the “democrats” consider my vote illegitimate. So why should I consider theirs to mean anything?

EMNofSeattle · Dec 14, 2019

HumblePi said:
As I clearly stated, my comment was intended as having 'fun' with your ridiculous analogy. Our Founding Fathers came here to 'America' to escape monarchy, to escape dictators, to be free from oppression under rule of non-democratic nations. They took great care to be sure we do not succumb to a monarchy, or fascism, or totalitarianism.

And they illegally deposed their rightful King

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